On these card it said that they can't be taken in battle, special ability or spell,

My question is they can be destroyed by a magic ("Shatter") because it is not stolen.

or can blows away by "Whirlwind"?

Daemon22 said:

Yes to both.

WOW, that awesome,

In the beginning i thought that its almost impossible to lose them.

Thanks.

Daemon22 said:

Killing or Toading works also .

I have anoter qustion,
On the "Bag of Holding" card it said that when you lose the "Bag of Holding" you lose all the objects that was inside of it,
Dose it mean that you have to evrey item that was in it on the ground?
Or if you can carry them (with a mule...) you can still have them (or at least some of them).

And on the "Concealed Pouch" it dosent mentiond that if you lose it you have to lose the object that it holds, if you destroy it with the "Shatter" spell, that player have to dorp that item or can he holds it (if he can)?

Daemon22 said:

When Bag of Holding (or Concealed Pouch) is destroyed or you're forced to it (e.g. by Whirlwind Spell, may I add the Tinker Imp from the Dungeon), the Objects inside it follow the Bag.

If you choose to ditch the Bag for some reason, you may take the Objects out of the Bag and carry them as normal (with Mule/Horse and Cart/Miner/Porter).

Daemon22 said:

Just treat Concealed Pouch and Bag of Holding the same way. They have been ruled as two similar Objects that cannot be taken or stolen (nor can the Objects inside) but can be destroyed and the Objects inside as well. I hope we'll have the FAQ to clarify this.

The_Warlock said:

"the Objects inside it follow the Bag"

Dose it mean that if the beg is destroyed that the object inside it is destroyed aswell?

The_Warlock said:

Hi The_Warlock and Deamon,

The Concealed Pouch and the Bag Of Holding are not 100& the same.

The difference is that if you lose the Bag of Holding, because of the Shatter spell, you lose everything that is inside the Bag.

If you use shatter on the Concealed Pouch, then you don't lose the object that is in the Pouch. You can add the object to a mule or your own carry limit or ditch it on the ground.

Daemon22 said:

Yes, if the Bag of Holding is destroyed, all the objects that are inside the bag, or going to the discard pile

Velhart said:

Bag of Holding has specific text on it, Concealed Pouch has no room for further text.

I am for simple things; similar Objects that serve the same purpose and share the same ruling shall also be treated with more consistency. Rules have to be clear, you don't have to make a single rule for every single card; things get overcomplicated and confused.

I'm eagerly waiting for this goddam' FAQs, not only because I need official answers for what's been discussed on these forums, but also because I'm curious about the style of the answers. Will they choose to answer question by question, card by card, or suggest more general and consistent interpretations?

The_Warlock said:

John Goodenough has said to me, that if you Shatter the Pouch, you must leave any surplus objects on the space.

Off course, if you have more room, then you can add the object( that the pouch holds) to a mule etc otherwise you must ditch it on the ground.

Hi guys, this is my first post in this forum, i hope someone could help me...

we have the italian translated version of the game, and in our last adventures we used the official FAQ 1.0 dated november 2009.

1) In the FAQ about the Concealed Pouch, they say that it is affected by the spell "transmute" BUT the card (in the italian version of 4th edition rev.) says that only weapons and armors can be affected by the spell, not other object.

Maybe a translation error from english?or a faq error?

2) what is the "shatter" magic? does it mean the "destruction" spell or another one? in the FAQ there's a question about the destruction spell, and then in the faq of the Pouch they talk about the "shatter" magic, but i can't find the corresponding card in the deck.

In my opinion both problems starts from the translations, but i cannot verify it without watching the original cards (and i haven't find them online). do you know where can i find this card's pictures?

thank you!!

air show said:

#1: Transmute has always only affected Weapons and Armour, and only non-Magical Object versions. Everything else, Water Bottle, Shovel, etc. are safe from the Spell. I think the FAQ wording means that CP is affected by those Spells and anything inside can also be affected, but within the wording the Spell used. So Shatter will destroy the CP + what is inside, Transmute will zap a Weapon or Armour inside (but not CP itself), etc.

#2: Shatter Spell is from the Reaper expansion I think.

you're right, i understand now. but if you use shatter on the CP, you destroy only the CP, not the object inside (written in the FAQ). instead, if someone destroy the bag of holding everything inside is destroyed. thank you for helping! :-)