I've seen references to Inqusitional Stormtroopers in some of the fluff. Are there stats for these guys anywhere?

They will supposedly be covered in Ascension.

One of the Top Ranks for a Guardsman is a Storm Trooper so stats shouldn't be too hard to write up just take an ordinary human and give em

8-10K of experience points slap em in carapace armour and your ready.

Personally in terms of skills and stats I would concentrate on a small number of weapons (SP/las with a 25% chance of having a special weapon training). High Balistic Skill High Toughness, High Will Power and High Wounds.

Talents should include anything which makes them tougher (Resistence, Iron Jaw etc) and anything which means they won't run (Insanely Faithful, Fearless etc).

Thier leaders will be similar but will also have things like Into the Jaws of Hell etc.

Also bare in mind that Storm Troopers are not run of the mill grunts so they should probably have Tech Use and Literacy.

A standard Storm trooper to me would be.

Ws 40

BS 53

S 42

T 50

Ag 35

Per 35

WP 53

Int 34

Fel 25

Wounds 19

Those stats are on a par with Inquisitor Glavius Wroth's...

Mr Adventurer said:

Whats your point?

Visitor Q said:

Inquisitors should eat metal and **** diamonds?

Visitor Q said:

That willpower is way too high. That's nearly 5000 xp in WP advances alone.

And they get fearless so reducing it isn't going to be that bad.

Artaxerxes said:

Why is that?

Just because you carry a rosette it doesn't mean you're automatically a nightmarish combat monster. Most Inquisitors rely on their cunning and influence to succeed in their missions anyway.

They are the only kind of persons being able to be powerful and intimidating without having to look like musclebound semi-space marines.

Varnias Tybalt said:

**** sarcasms to hard to convey over the internet...

Artaxerxes said:

They sure are.

One of the golden rules of the internet should be: "When thou trieth to invoke the arts of witty sarcasm, thou shalt always include a hefty amount of smileys in your written message, lest the sacrcasm risks passing completely or partially unnoticed."

Varnias Tybalt said:

If only the smilies on this board werent **** I'd have obeyed it... if only this board wasnt **** tbh

@Varnias

Why is that?

Just because you carry a rosette it doesn't mean you're automatically a nightmarish combat monster. Most Inquisitors rely on their cunning and influence to succeed in their missions anyway.

Admittedly, cunning and influence should be reflected in fitting amounts of Intelligence, Willpower, Perception and occassionally Fellowship.

For the Stormtroopers... yeah, apart from the WP advances they're fine and those can be made up with the proper talents (either Resistance Fear&Pinning, Nerves of Steel and Unshakeable Faith or a simple Fearless, possibly a leader with Into The Jaws Of Hell, though I don't see stormtroopers as that fixated on their commanders).

Inquisitorial Storm Troopers are going to be chosen amongst the toughest non marine humans in the galaxy. This means toughest physically and mentally. A WP of 50 or so is just within the range of a human so I don't see it as inconsistent that a storm trooper would have such a high Willpower.

Where they are distinguished from an Inquisitor is in Intelligence and Perception not to mention Fellowship.

To me a storm trooper is a fairly blunt instrument. They are there to take sh*** and deal it out in equal measure.

Visitor Q said:

You referenced the Storm Trooper rank in the book as a basis for stating out a Storm Trooper. A character of that rank would have to spend 4750 xp to have a WP of 50+. Beyond that it just doesn't make sense. A character shouldn't have WP like that unless they are a Psyker or something. There are plenty of talents to resist fear and corruption that give the appropriate resistances (which you pointed out). What you're proposing isn't all that different than a high level adept with 50+ strength. It doesn't make any sense.

By the way, I wouldn't give a Space Marine that kind of willpower either unless they were a Captain, Chaplain, or Librarian. A basic battle-brother probably should be around 40 to 45. Brother-Sergeant Agamorr in Purge the Unclean was a Deathwatch veteran and he had a WP of 53. More evidence a basic Storm Trooper shouldn't be that high.

Atheosis said:

Not really. There is nothing to say that an Inquisitorial Storm Trooper doesn't undergo similar psycho indoctrination or incorruptibility tests to a space marine. Indeed in the Deamon Hunters codex it says Storm troopers are used as a second choice to Grey Knights for this very reason;

pg 29 "Stormtroopers undertake rigorous purity and incorruptibility tests before they are permitted to bear the Inquisitorial mark, making them preferable for use in Daemonhunters forces where the number of Grey Knights may be insufficient"

The fact the Storm trooper has to pay 4750exp to get such a WP simply represents two things

1) It is very unusual,

Q; is this consistent with Storm Troopers?

A Yes Storm Troopers are unusual compared to the billions of warrior types i nthe Imperium.

2) They are very specialised and won't have many other skills.

Q Is this consistent with Storm Troopers?

A: Yes. Storm troopers need to be physically and mentally tough to fulfil their duties and need to be able to handle their basic weaponry. However for the most part they don't need a wide variety of skills.

If anything it is the Bs which is too high. BS 43 would probably be more consistent. And possibly Wounds 17.

Visitor Q said:

And I made the point that a basic Space Marine wouldn't have a willpower of 53. In fact I pointed out that the one Space Marine that has been officially published has a WP of 53 and he's a 200 year old Deathwatch veteran. Please don't tell me that a rank and file Storm Trooper is going to have the same WP as Agamorr. That's simply ridiculous.

Listen, you can stat Storm Troopers however you want in your game, but all the evidence we have from official sources refutes what you are saying.

Inquisitorial Stormtroopers will be covered in Ascension as far as I know, If they are on par with an Interrogator, I'd assume that they would actually be some sort of high end black ops/kill team called in when things get really bad but the situation calls for discretion that Astartes or Adepta Sororitas just aren't capable of.

Regular Stormtroopers can be extrapolated from the 40k IG. Pretty much just well trained and disciplined Guardsmen (WS/BS 40ish with comparable combat related Talents) kitted out with carapace and hellguns.

KidChainsaw said:

Nah, Inquisitorial Stormtroopers aren't really black ops. It's just the troopers that the Inquisition use when a situation doesn't really warrant the attention of either Grey Knights, Adepta Sororitas or the Deathwatch.

Quite simply, they are the "standard" taskforce of the Inquisition, mainly becuase they are the most numerous of the regular armed forces within the Inquisition.

Atheosis said:

Well clearly given that I have actually quoted a source that backs up what I am saying this is wrong.

Indeed for all we know Agamorr has a low WP for a Deathwatch given that we have no rules for creating space marines.

However again I would say there is nothing in particular that would indicate that the mental indoctrination for Inquisitorial Storm Troopers is sufficiently diferent from that of spacemarines. Indeed the only fluff sources (as opposed to one stat found in one supplement) would indicate it is rather similar.

WP 50 is within the range of an unaugamented human so I don't see why it is rediculous for a Storm Trooper to have that stat.

Personally I think it is rediculous to suggest that the Inquisition woukd spend a huge amount of time and effort creating a body of troops that are supposedly a second choice to Grey Knights and the end result is slightly upgraded cannon fodder.

Visitor Q said:

Slightly upgraded cannon fodder? An average Imperial Guardsman has WP 30 with no talents to help them resist mental effects. Are you saying WP 40 with talents such as Fearless, Insanely Faithful and the like is a slight upgrade? Yes 50 WP is within the range of an unaugmented human, but it's quite a bit on the high end. It's overkill for a standard Storm Trooper. Imquisitorial Storm Troopers are elite soldiers with special training and experience that gives them extra resistance to the horrors of the galaxy, not masters of willpower as you seem to think.

And by the way your Agamorr argument is exceedingly weak. The guy is two centuries old and has served three times longer than the standard tour with the Deathwatch. He's a Sergeant, not a mere battle-brother. Do you really think his WP is going to be low for a Deathwatch Marine? C'mon...

I think the problem here is possibly a clash of the type of Inquisitorial Storm Trooper. Now Visitor Qs Storm Trooper is in my opinion overpowered for an NPC but a PC? now that's different.

If I was to use NPC ones in a game I'd probably use the Bounty Hunter stats in the core book as a base or even the Oathsworn Body Guard out of Rogue Trader if you have access to it. That I think would represent the poor veteran cannon fodder grunts who get flung against all manner of horrors and if they survive get their memory of it wiped.

However if it was a personal bodyguard of the Inquisitor, perhaps individuals who arn't quite Acolyte to Inquisitor path material but still very good at what they do, then I might use something close to Visitor Qs stats as a sort of "Veteran Inquisitorial Storm Trooper".

Well I wouldn't say WP 53 is the master of Will Power given that a normal human can potentially have a WP of 60 (or even higher....) but I do think that Inquisitorial Storm troopers are exceptional troops. But it is very good. And I think that is perfectly reasonable. (As I have mentioned, I think the BS 53 is the stat that is too high)

As for my argument about Agamorr; you miss the point, which was purporting to suggest that the stats of a single NPC represents all the evidence in this matter is a bit daft. We don't know how representitive Agamorr is of other space marines.

In any case when it comes to pure combat, strength skill etc StormTroopers are no where near as good as Space Marines, but in terms of pure resistence to the taint of Chaos or standing and dying to serve the Imperium then yes I think they are on par.

For a 'mere' 3500 Exp Arbitrators can have a similar WP what makes them so much more resilient than Storm Troopers?

@ Darkshroud I certainly think you have a point in thatI what Storm Troopers represent is central to the issue. To me Inquisitorial Storm Troopers are a thin white line against the terrors that might be unleashed on humanity.

I think my initial stats were off. I think wounds should be around the 15-17 range and Bs should be around 45. However I think toughness and WP is at the appropriate level.

It probably didn't help that I didn't include skills or talents. It is here that storm troopers fall down. They would have their basic weapon skills with one in ten or so having special weapon skills but for the most part they would be fairly two dimensional characters.

I would just give them the 40 WP and the appropriate Resistance talents. But thats just me.

Peacekeeper_b said:

No it isn't just you.