So after playing a few more games with the new epic ships I can honestly say that the imperials have the much better epic ships. I am a Rebel through and through... but the raider can bring the pain...

Here are just a few points I have,

1. The raiders ability to spend 2 energy to shoot twice is much stronger then the CR90 ability to add one die. another words the raider is throwing 8 die with primary in 2 shots and the CR90 is only throwing 5 in one attack.

2. The raider has much larger arcs then the CR90 for secondary's.

3, The raider has a better dial the then CR90.

4. The raider titles are better the the CR90.

5. The transport is no were as good as the gozanti.

6. gozanti can shoot if he equips a weapon.

7. the gozanti has can even support better then the transport.

I have more point but you get the picture. I want to hear your thoughts on which side has the better epics and why?

Even the CR90 has a turret... that cant shoot like a turret....

Tantive IV and Dodonna's Pride titles are actually really good. Raider definitely has lesser titles overall, but it is otherwise better in every way.

Transport on the other hand continues to be the best value for the money epic ship, particularly because of the Dutyfree title.

But the rebels have Esege and Roark!

So after playing a few more games with the new epic ships I can honestly say that the imperials have the much better epic ships. I am a Rebel through and through... but the raider can bring the pain...

Here are just a few points I have,

1. The raiders ability to spend 2 energy to shoot twice is much stronger then the CR90 ability to add one die. another words the raider is throwing 8 die with primary in 2 shots and the CR90 is only throwing 5 in one attack.

2. The raider has much larger arcs then the CR90 for secondary's.

3, The raider has a better dial the then CR90.

4. The raider titles are better the the CR90.

5. The transport is no were as good as the gozanti.

6. gozanti can shoot if he equips a weapon.

7. the gozanti has can even support better then the transport.

I have more point but you get the picture. I want to hear your thoughts on which side has the better epics and why?

1. That's why the CR90 can shoot at range 5 and the raider at range 4.

2. Yep, but the Cr90 can shoot better behind from the front arc. Once the fighters are behind the raider, this one has a really hard time shooting at them beside his rear 2ndary weapons, while the corvette still can shoot from her front 2ndary weapons.

3. Can't argue on that.

4. That's very debatable. I find that both ship have crappy titles. The Gozanti and the Transport are the ones who have good titles

5. They do not serve the same purpose and the transport is 10 points cheaper.

6. Transport with Bright Hope title will laugh at your Gozanti weapon. Also, the Transport can Slicer Tool.

7. I beg to differ.

No side has better epic ships than the other. They all serve different purpose and you have to build your fleet according to it. Rebel ships are more support oriented while imperial are more agressive oriented.

You also have to consider the faction pilot and upgrades. The CR90 can have Jan Ors and Roark Garnet next to it to allow a 6 dice attack at PS12 with Han Solo crew to make your TL act as Focus token.

Wouldn't say the Gonzanti wins a straight comparison with the GR-75 - that thing has some wicked abilities, not to mention the battering ram factor that both share.

So after playing a few more games with the new epic ships I can honestly say that the imperials have the much better epic ships. I am a Rebel through and through... but the raider can bring the pain...

Here are just a few points I have,

1. The raiders ability to spend 2 energy to shoot twice is much stronger then the CR90 ability to add one die. another words the raider is throwing 8 die with primary in 2 shots and the CR90 is only throwing 5 in one attack.

2. The raider has much larger arcs then the CR90 for secondary's.

3, The raider has a better dial the then CR90.

4. The raider titles are better the the CR90.

5. The transport is no were as good as the gozanti.

6. gozanti can shoot if he equips a weapon.

7. the gozanti has can even support better then the transport.

I have more point but you get the picture. I want to hear your thoughts on which side has the better epics and why?

1. That's why the CR90 can shoot at range 5 and the raider at range 4.

2. Yep, but the Cr90 can shoot better behind from the front arc. Once the fighters are behind the raider, this one has a really hard time shooting at them beside his rear 2ndary weapons, while the corvette still can shoot from her front 2ndary weapons.

3. Can't argue on that.

4. That's very debatable. I find that both ship have crappy titles. The Gozanti and the Transport are the ones who have good titles

5. They do not serve the same purpose and the transport is 10 points cheaper.

6. Transport with Bright Hope title will laugh at your Gozanti weapon. Also, the Transport can Slicer Tool.

7. I beg to differ.

No side has better epic ships than the other. They all serve different purpose and you have to build your fleet according to it. Rebel ships are more support oriented while imperial are more agressive oriented.

You also have to consider the faction pilot and upgrades. The CR90 can have Jan Ors and Roark Garnet next to it to allow a 6 dice attack at PS12 with Han Solo crew to make your TL act as Focus token.

no the CR90 can not shoot behind it. page 2 huge ship rules.

"When that ship targets a ship outside of its firing arc, measure a line from the exact center of the chosen ship’s base to the exact center of the huge ship’s corresponding base. If this line is not obstructed by the blue center line on the huge ship’s token, the huge ship can declare the chosen ship as the defender"

and yes it can shoot range 5 but I will argue it cant shoot range 2 and the raider can double tab from all 3 of its ranges.

And yes the transport is cheaper but can upgrade the Gozanti much better.

I agree Han solo is awesome in epic on the CR90.

The CR90's big advantage now that ordinance tubes are a thing is that you can separate the secondary weapons so they remain available until the section is crippled. If you load missiles on the front, and the back gets crippled, all you really lose is the 5th die on the primary. If the front gets crippled, you still have energy to power a hardpoint on the back. If you cripple the back of the Raider, its done. You lose energy AND target locking, so your secondary weapons are shot.

I find the CR-90 to fly much different than the Raider. The Raider wants to fly at you. The CR-90 wants to basically arc dodge you. The CR-90 is the Fat Han of Epic. It's not as easy to fly that way and often not even noticed as the way to fly it.

I also want to point out that the other small nosed ships in the game favor Rebels more. X-wings are excellent in Epic. They are fast, harder to kill, and can dish out a lot of damage. Also, they can use Torpedoes. These can be brutal in Epic. Y-wings are better missile boats than Tie Bombers due to the turrets they can have. Rebels can also get TLT's.

If you wanted to build a list to the CR-90's strengths, I would recommend looking at Ion Torpedoes for almost anything in your list. You can ionize a group of ships at R1 of each other. This really helps you control the board and dodge those arcs that to keep dancing at a distance.

Jaina's Light can be crucial in a game to drop one of those really nasty crits. I mean those really really nasty crits as they are all pretty nasty.

CR-90 on a broadside is pretty brutal.

It's probably not actually worth the point sink, but one of the interesting advantages of the Tantive IV title is the ability to protect your crew if a section gets crippled. Ultimately though I find myself just working to separate the halves as much as possible.

Jan could also boost the Tantive primary up to 6 Attack Dice

With esuge or whatever kwing name is the Tantive can target lock and focus.

Jan could also boost the Tantive primary up to 6 Attack Dice

With esuge or whatever kwing name is the Tantive can target lock and focus.

That is what i did, I had Jan with swarm tactics shooting at PS8 with 6 die... and han, sensory team, and weapons engineering.... good fun. I love the CR90 dont get me wrong just thing that double tap and ability to do a speed one is nasty thats all

I mean, it's almost like the Raider was designed specifically to be able to dish out hurt to lots of fighters. Like the Empire learned from getting it's crown jewel dusted by a handful of X-Wings and Y-Wings or something.

Snark aside, that is the role it was made for, and Imperial forces have always had the more powerful Capital ships anyway. That's thematic. Also, you're paying at least 10 points more for it. Also also, CR-90 can have Jan "Crits-R'-Us" Dodonna.

Oh, and I am pretty sure the Raider only pays 1 energy to fire twice.

Of course the Raider is better! It's a war ship. It was designed from the ground up to be an efficient killing machine. The Rebels' larger ships are an unorganized group of retrofitted civilian corvettes and large cargo ships with some cannons slapped on to them.

Of course the Raider is better! It's a war ship. It was designed from the ground up to be an efficient killing machine. The Rebels' larger ships are an unorganized group of retrofitted civilian corvettes and large cargo ships with some cannons slapped on to them.

Why do people keep calling them Rebels? They are terrorists and traitors to the Galactic Empire. The Emperor only wanted peace and unity, to stop this unnecessary Jedi war.

So after playing a few more games with the new epic ships I can honestly say that the imperials have the much better epic ships. I am a Rebel through and through... but the raider can bring the pain...

Here are just a few points I have,

1. The raiders ability to spend 2 energy to shoot twice is much stronger then the CR90 ability to add one die. another words the raider is throwing 8 die with primary in 2 shots and the CR90 is only throwing 5 in one attack.

2. The raider has much larger arcs then the CR90 for secondary's.

3, The raider has a better dial the then CR90.

4. The raider titles are better the the CR90.

5. The transport is no were as good as the gozanti.

6. gozanti can shoot if he equips a weapon.

7. the gozanti has can even support better then the transport.

I have more point but you get the picture. I want to hear your thoughts on which side has the better epics and why?

1. That's why the CR90 can shoot at range 5 and the raider at range 4.

2. Yep, but the Cr90 can shoot better behind from the front arc. Once the fighters are behind the raider, this one has a really hard time shooting at them beside his rear 2ndary weapons, while the corvette still can shoot from her front 2ndary weapons.

3. Can't argue on that.

4. That's very debatable. I find that both ship have crappy titles. The Gozanti and the Transport are the ones who have good titles

5. They do not serve the same purpose and the transport is 10 points cheaper.

6. Transport with Bright Hope title will laugh at your Gozanti weapon. Also, the Transport can Slicer Tool.

7. I beg to differ.

No side has better epic ships than the other. They all serve different purpose and you have to build your fleet according to it. Rebel ships are more support oriented while imperial are more agressive oriented.

You also have to consider the faction pilot and upgrades. The CR90 can have Jan Ors and Roark Garnet next to it to allow a 6 dice attack at PS12 with Han Solo crew to make your TL act as Focus token.

no the CR90 can not shoot behind it. page 2 huge ship rules.

"When that ship targets a ship outside of its firing arc, measure a line from the exact center of the chosen ship’s base to the exact center of the huge ship’s corresponding base. If this line is not obstructed by the blue center line on the huge ship’s token, the huge ship can declare the chosen ship as the defender"

and yes it can shoot range 5 but I will argue it cant shoot range 2 and the raider can double tab from all 3 of its ranges.

And yes the transport is cheaper but can upgrade the Gozanti much better.

I agree Han solo is awesome in epic on the CR90.

I know that. This is not what I said. I said the front arcs of the cr90 make it easier to shoot behind/on-side with its 2ndary weapons.

I mean, it's almost like the Raider was designed specifically to be able to dish out hurt to lots of fighters. Like the Empire learned from getting it's crown jewel dusted by a handful of X-Wings and Y-Wings or something.

Snark aside, that is the role it was made for, and Imperial forces have always had the more powerful Capital ships anyway. That's thematic. Also, you're paying at least 10 points more for it. Also also, CR-90 can have Jan "Crits-R'-Us" Dodonna.

Oh, and I am pretty sure the Raider only pays 1 energy to fire twice.

No, it is 2 energy.

Small ship support isn't limited to the rebels. Howlrunner (with swarm tactics) and Jonus can both benifit the Raider take both if you want and reroll practically all your attacks, unlike the rebel support they would be benifit all your normal ships in ranage as well.

Personally I find this fairly daft and wish FFG had ruled that epic ships were not affected by normal ship abilities, would have been clearer and given better game.

Small ship support isn't limited to the rebels. Howlrunner (with swarm tactics) and Jonus can both benifit the Raider take both if you want and reroll practically all your attacks, unlike the rebel support they would be benifit all your normal ships in ranage as well.

Personally I find this fairly daft and wish FFG had ruled that epic ships were not affected by normal ship abilities, would have been clearer and given better game.

If that was the case, Epic ship would be total garbage with no way to reroll dice. A Raider of 130 pts would not worth it compared to 130 pts of small ships that can modify dice.

Small ship support isn't limited to the rebels. Howlrunner (with swarm tactics) and Jonus can both benifit the Raider take both if you want and reroll practically all your attacks, unlike the rebel support they would be benifit all your normal ships in ranage as well.

Personally I find this fairly daft and wish FFG had ruled that epic ships were not affected by normal ship abilities, would have been clearer and given better game.

Yeah, let's make epic ships so terrible that they don't actually see play in epic games.

Of course the Empire has better epic ships; those ships are military war machines designed and produced by the Empire's finest. The pinnacle of destructive technology.

The "Rebels" have whatever piece of junk they were able to weld together out of scrap and salvage. Such toys are no match for the might of the Galactic Empire.

Actually, it fits in perfectly with the thematics of star wars that the Empire has better Epics.

After all, their small fighters are pretty much designed to be expendible and used in swarms oto overwhelm the enemy.
The big ships is where it's putting all its effort.

The rebels, on the other hand, are pretty much the oposite.
They have purpose-built fighters (although, in some cases, older designs) that are meant to be durable and independent.
Their capitol ships are usually retrofitted civilian ships (even the corvette is pretty much a civilian ship), not purpose built combat vessels.

Getting into thematic "better or worse" debates misses the point. The question is whether the Raider is more than 10 points better than the CR90. That's what the point system is for after all; so one ship can be "better" than another, but still create a fun and balanced game.

That said, I'd rather play an epic game with a swarm of rebels against a raider than take a bunch of Bombers against a CR90.

The rebels need their next epic ship to be:

Dornean Gunship

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Braha'tok-class_gunship

Title: Apailana's Promise

This ship also carries x-wings!

Small ship support isn't limited to the rebels. Howlrunner (with swarm tactics) and Jonus can both benifit the Raider take both if you want and reroll practically all your attacks, unlike the rebel support they would be benifit all your normal ships in ranage as well.

Personally I find this fairly daft and wish FFG had ruled that epic ships were not affected by normal ship abilities, would have been clearer and given better game.

If that was the case, Epic ship would be total garbage with no way to reroll dice. A Raider of 130 pts would not worth it compared to 130 pts of small ships that can modify dice.

Small ship support isn't limited to the rebels. Howlrunner (with swarm tactics) and Jonus can both benifit the Raider take both if you want and reroll practically all your attacks, unlike the rebel support they would be benifit all your normal ships in ranage as well.

Personally I find this fairly daft and wish FFG had ruled that epic ships were not affected by normal ship abilities, would have been clearer and given better game.

Yeah, let's make epic ships so terrible that they don't actually see play in epic games.

I think you are both miss understanding my opinon I don't think balanced that some small ships can use boosting abilities on epic ships (this isn't universal and wasn't the case originally). I am not saying they shouldn't get actions, benifits from their own weapons crews and abilities. The raider could use target lock, howlrunner isn't the sole source of rerolls.