Kinda simple, please give me your ideas on how to fly Poe Damaron and I'll try it.

It really depends on what he has equipped. If he has predator, you can be more aggressive. VI, you can use boost to move in to range 1 or out of firing arcs. Use the T-rolls when it seems appropriate to shake things up.

Idk. I'm not Fin.

How does one fly Poe?

With a raven.

You fly it well.

Focus when you can.

Boost when you need to to get an arc on a ship you wouldn't, or to avoid being shot at. But only when your boost will do you more good than the Focus token.

Remember that avoiding being shot is better than trying to defend against being shot.

Oh, and try to avoid doing red manoeuvres unless it's relatively safe: Flipping over when out of range is a different proposition to in a firefight.

VI is garbage due to restricting Poe's options. Predator's probably my go to (Lone Wolf if you can make it work) which keeps his options open, but PtL is ok

VI is garbage due to restricting Poe's options. Predator's probably my go to (Lone Wolf if you can make it work) which keeps his options open, but PtL is ok

I like the world 'garbage' applied to a choice that was made by both World Championships finalists ! It's probably a good indicator to take things you read about 'how to fly' with a bit of skepticism.

VI is garbage due to restricting Poe's options. Predator's probably my go to (Lone Wolf if you can make it work) which keeps his options open, but PtL is ok

How does being PS 10 restrict his options?

VI is garbage due to restricting Poe's options. Predator's probably my go to (Lone Wolf if you can make it work) which keeps his options open, but PtL is ok

How does being PS 10 restrict his options?

I'm guessing he means quantity of actions since Predator can be likened to a Target lock and helps you shoot more effective etc.

I prefer PtL, BB-8, and AT for the movement options, but stress can be a deal breaker for pulling it off. I haven't played with other combos as of yet but feel comfortable enough with that set up to play it a lot.

VI/R2D2/AT and fly him like a boss. I run that Poe build with 5 Zs and it's been treating me well. The Zs block and set up nice kill boxes for Poe. I prefer R2 on him so that I'm not always tied to a focus action and with all the stress mechanics abound it's easier to regen with R2. Talon roll is your friend.

I use the PTL, BB-8 combo with him but do not have autothrusters so I use the integrated astromech to give him a little more heft.

VI is garbage due to restricting Poe's options. Predator's probably my go to (Lone Wolf if you can make it work) which keeps his options open, but PtL is ok

How does being PS 10 restrict his options?

VI is garbage due to restricting Poe's options. Predator's probably my go to (Lone Wolf if you can make it work) which keeps his options open, but PtL is ok

How does being PS 10 restrict his options?

VI Poe (almost) only ever takes a focus action with no other way to modify his attacks. He barely has that boost action.

Moving and shooting at PS 10 is great, but as anyone who's had Glitterstim fail to get any useful results multiple times being restricted to the focus action is terrible. I'd rather fly him at PS 8 and pump his damage/resilience a bit more.

Kinda simple, please give me your ideas on how to fly Poe Damaron and I'll try it.

With impunity brother.

I like the world 'garbage' applied to a choice that was made by both World Championships finalists!

I do have to agree predator poe is very effective (not that VI poe isn't). If only predator was costed the same as VI those players may well have taken the alternative. Point is cost was probably the determining factor. Not which EPT was 'better'.

I don't know. Fly casual.

VI is garbage due to restricting Poe's options. Predator's probably my go to (Lone Wolf if you can make it work) which keeps his options open, but PtL is ok

How does being PS 10 restrict his options?

VI Poe (almost) only ever takes a focus action with no other way to modify his attacks. He barely has that boost action.

Moving and shooting at PS 10 is great, but as anyone who's had Glitterstim fail to get any useful results multiple times being restricted to the focus action is terrible. I'd rather fly him at PS 8 and pump his damage/resilience a bit more.

I take it you don't fly with or against Soontir, Vader or Whisper very often.

Being PS10 helps immensely flying against these extremely popular opponents. Being able to keep Soontir and Vader in Arc and being able to shoot before Whisper can recloak is massive.

I said you don't fly with those three very often either, because the only offensive action that any of them have (save for Vader, but he won't be spending that lock any time soon) is Focus, and they seem to do just fine in my book, which is contrary to your opinion about the action.

In addition, Wedge has become more in fashion lately, and competing with Corran is also hugely beneficial. PS 10 helps here too.

If you need a PS 10, Poe is arguably one of the most efficient options. 37 for VI, R5-P9, AT Poe is an exceptional value, especially when flying against the other Aces

It's funny, you seem pretty against VI, whereas I don't usually consider anything but VI these days. Sure, he sometimes has meh damage output here and there, but fortunately he can live and counter the more nasty aces long enough to eventually get shots that matter.

Kinda simple, please give me your ideas on how to fly Poe Damaron and I'll try it.

With impunity brother.

I like the world 'garbage' applied to a choice that was made by both World Championships finalists!

I do have to agree predator poe is very effective (not that VI poe isn't). If only predator was costed the same as VI those players may well have taken the alternative. Point is cost was probably the determining factor. Not which EPT was 'better'.

I'd disagree. I'd guess that VI was on Poe in those lists not because of the cost but to get the jump on all of the PS 8 and 9s out there that live or die based on getting to dodge arcs and spend their actions with perfect knowledge about how the Activation phase is going to end up. Weapon Guidance would have likely been on those ships along with VI instead of popping for Predator had the points been there for it. Weapons Guidance gets really powerful on Poe in rounds where you know that he won't need to defend against attacks after shooting.

If I wasn't worried about high PS aces I'd probably go with PTL+BB-8 since Poe getting blocked get's him dead in a hurry.

I'd disagree. I'd guess that VI was on Poe in those lists not because of the cost but to get the jump on all of the PS 8 and 9s out there that live or die based on getting to dodge arcs and spend their actions with perfect knowledge about how the Activation phase is going to end up. Weapon Guidance would have likely been on those ships along with VI instead of popping for Predator had the points been there for it. Weapons Guidance gets really powerful on Poe in rounds where you know that he won't need to defend against attacks after shooting.

If I wasn't worried about high PS aces I'd probably go with PTL+BB-8 since Poe getting blocked get's him dead in a hurry.

While I agree with your assessment of why the choice is/was made I disagree that the reasoning is sound. Again this is based on IF predator were equally costed, which its not, so therefore VI obviously outshines it considering the opportunity cost of a 3 pt EPT.

The reason is poe is tied so heavily to focus and at the end of the day hes flying an x wing. Boost won't fix that and the trade off is high. He could be ps100 and that ship just won't outfly some ships, assuming equal player skill that is.

Information + boost with unmodified dice is a losing proposition as often as not for a t70, IMO.

Then theres ps11 vaders or case in point ps8 coran's who will happily choose to joust unmodified dice. Meanwhile fel doesn't care about getting caught in arc for 2 hits while A wings will still run circles around him. Idk.

I mean I do it too but point is if predator was 1 pt I feel it would show up as often on poe as VI does so it is cost related. Or in other words in a pts vacuum predator may actually prove superior, in this instance. VI is still the hangover for the boogyman which hasn't gone away..

Nice call on weapons guidance btw, I forget that even exists although honestly I don't see many people springing for it when it requires a ps10 poe to spend his focus so we're back to that.

Kinda simple, please give me your ideas on how to fly Poe Damaron and I'll try it.

Either VI+K5R9+Autothruster

or

Lone wolf+K5R9+Autothruster for me.

people tend to take R2D2 more often now with meta getting SWAMPED with rebel stress-builds

VI is garbage due to restricting Poe's options. Predator's probably my go to (Lone Wolf if you can make it work) which keeps his options open, but PtL is ok

How does being PS 10 restrict his options?

VI Poe (almost) only ever takes a focus action with no other way to modify his attacks. He barely has that boost action.

Moving and shooting at PS 10 is great, but as anyone who's had Glitterstim fail to get any useful results multiple times being restricted to the focus action is terrible. I'd rather fly him at PS 8 and pump his damage/resilience a bit more.

First of all veteran instincts poe is a great ace hunter moving after fel, whisper,Han, Luke, Wedge, jax, Vader ( no veteran instincts) echo, talabane cobra, boba fett, rear Admiral chiro, and many others.

His ability is still great, and I've found veteran instincts getting to move after an ace much more effective than getting to reroll against no ace who just dodge my arc.

I think to say it's garbage a pretty strong statement. Seeing as how it won world's.

I don't think predator on poe would have been as easy when trying to deal with so many other threatening lists at such a high premier event.

I don't think someone who hasn't won a world event calling something that did win garbage has the right to say that

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And you know it works both ways.

How many times have I target locked or used predator only to reroll blanks and focuses and wished if only I focused instead.(in the case of target locking)

While predator does help with consistency, again it's not going to help you when fel flies by hanging his ass out the window at ya

Depends on what you fly him with and what role you want him to fill and of course what you are flying against.

Generally you want Poe for the endgame where his ability, high PS and regen (if equipped) play well into a 1 v 1 scenario and generally your opponent will want to kill Poe first.

If you feel like your list is a stronger jousting list and want to fly head on merge at Range 3 (assuming you have Autothrusters). Coupled with a focus Poe has a decent chance of weathering focus fire from several ships.

The subsequent round is where things get interesting and your best option will vary depending on the state of the board. An opponent dedicated to finishing off Poe will want to be within Range 1-2 to negate his AT and hopefully block him to prevent his focus action. If you've lost some shields and have R2-D2 1 forward would be the safe, but predictable choice. If you don't think you'll be blocked and want to try and kill a lower PS ship before they can fire back and tank the rest of the incoming damage this can work. Option 2 is getting out of dodge and re-position this can be risky, but can also catch the other player off guard and force him to fire at a fresh ship.

If you run Poe as a flanker (I've had some success with Lone Wolf Poe) most of the same rules apply. Range 3 is where Poe wants to live with a focus. I have a hard time staying alive and pushing damage through without a focus, but my dice are pretty consistently awful so YMMV. Avoiding getting caught in the cluster that occurs after the merge has helped me immensely. I don't think Poe has the action economy or dial to be a to a knife fighter. No green 2 and boosting means no focus, these can of course can be negated with varying degrees of success, but sacrificing damage output for support can have diminishing returns.

I like to have fun more than meta game. With my Poe, I usually run BB8 and Opportunist. With either a shield, autothrusters, or intergratted astromech. Mainly focusing with them, never really Target Locked unless I have torpedoes in him. Boosting only to get out of harms way.

Nice call on weapons guidance btw, I forget that even exists although honestly I don't see many people springing for it when it requires a ps10 poe to spend his focus so we're back to that.

Unless you've got R5-P9, there is no reason to hang on to the focus token if you aren't going to be defending again in a round. If Poe isn't going to be getting shot at Weapons Guidance lets Poe turn "hit, eyeball, blank" into three hits. Weapons Guidance seems to be made for Poe about as much as the Juke+Comms Relay combo was made for Omega Leader. Other ships can use it, but it isn't nearly as good.