Black Sun Hunters (4-LOM / Guri)

By Grayfax, in X-Wing Squad Lists

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Looking at the new pilots a bit, I'm finding that I like the looks of 4-LOM over Zuckuss and things went from there...

Black Sun Hunters

4-LOM (27)
Wired (1)
Zuckuss (1)
Advanced Sensors (3)
Inertial Dampeners (1)
Tractor Beam (1)
Mist Hunter (0)
Guri (30)
Push the Limit (3)
Sensor Jammer (4)
Glitterstim (2)
Autothrusters (2)
Virago (1)
Black Sun Ace (23)
Calculation (1)
Total: 100
Looking at how 4-LOM handles stress sent me over to Wired for better defense. At first I was thinking Adaptability-1, but I think Wired will be more important long term than a few minor situational maneuvering options. Throw on Advanced Sensors to make this better. Use Zuckuss crew to add options for attack or defense and for Stress generation for Wired and 4-LOM. As 4-LOM will attack before Guri and Black Sun Ace, the Tractor Beam is a zero thought addition and using the title makes it mandatory, so if the option is better to maneuver someone than focus fire them, it is a good cheap tool (with a free barrel roll).
Looked at options here, but really like where Guri sits in this. Wish there was a way to trigger her PTL after the aces have moved, but added Sensor Jammer for a bit of a tankier build. Went ahead and added Glitterstim to Guri as I think she will benefit from it more than either of the other ships.
Black Sun Ace. Kihraxz Fighter. Yes, I know... a lot of you hate this ship. I like the ship and can't wait for a title, but until then, I'm still going to use it. For the points, I could fly two Z-95 Headhunters and still not be able to push any damage through. I thought about Crackshot for him and may go back to that after playtesting this, but I like the potential of Calculation long term a little better. As 4-LOM will shoot first, either Guri or Black Sun Ace can be last. Being able to apply criticals under focus fire can change the game. I'll take the chance that I can use it more than once for the same point cost. Especially as he is already firing 3 red dice and potentially a 4th which makes crits even better... and it's not a mandatory use card and doesn't go away.
Thoughts? Changes?
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I run Guri almost the same way except I take Opportunist instead of Push the Limit, and man does Guri hit like a ton of bricks! I currently also use Palob to pull focus and evade tokens away from my enemy so that Opportunist triggers constantly, so you will probably get a similar effect out of 4-LOM handing out stress. I like that tractor beam can pull enemies into Gur's R1 or maybe even make them out of arc if need be. Looks like a fun list!

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Bookmarked. This list looks like great fun.

Personally would be tempted to move Glitterstim to the Khiraghxkcxhgh because you really don't want to stress Guri out of the game. Would also prefer Crackshot on that guy too - it's a mean ability.

Edited by Scrubby Guy
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This, incidentally, looks like a really good way to run the Must Hunter. Kudos.

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I like the 4-LOM build. Some good synergy here too.

Guri would be better off with predator though. Push the limit is too limiting on her without advanced sensors (you can use advanced sensors to take an action, then push the limit for a 2nd action, then reveal a green move and clear the stress). Sensor Jammer is good on Guri for defense and predator takes care of the offense, allowing you to use your action for boost or barrel roll (and if in range 1, you still get a focus, or if you can't get to R1, just focus).

I also think Glitterstim makes more sense on the Khiraxz. Its the easiest ships to kill, so being able to pop the stims and grab a TL means you have a better chance of living through some focus fire and making your shot count before he bites it.

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Valid point blade_mercurial... valid point. And then it comes down to a Black Sun Ace with Crackshot and Glitterstim versus 2 Binayre Pirates with little to do but block. I think I'll keep the Black Sun Ace for the damage output and see how it goes.

Updated Black Sun Hunters

4-LOM (27)
Wired (1)
Zuckuss (1)
Advanced Sensors (3)
Inertial Dampeners (1)
Tractor Beam (1)
Mist Hunter (0)
Guri (30)
Predator (3)
Sensor Jammer (4)
Autothrusters (2)
Virago (1)
Black Sun Ace (23)
Crack Shot (1)
Glitterstim (2)
Total: 100
Edited by Grayfax
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Nice. Of course, I'd choose the binayre pirates over the Khiraxz, but if you love a ship, you should fly it!

The only good thing about going with the pirates is you have 2 juicy points left over that can be very helpful: enough for either flechette torps or cloaking device on Guri...

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Yep, well... now there are... originally it was exactly 2 Binayre Pirates. Going to have to print this out so I can attempt flying it around in Vassal some and see if I like it before dropping it into the Tourney... lol...

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One thing that concerns me is loading up on stress with Zuckuss/Inertial Dampeners without a way to unload it fast enough shuts off Advanced Sensors and the Barrel Roll granted by Mist Hunter. Here's what I ended up with, quite similar to your latest version:

Guri (30)

+ Virago (1)

+ Advanced Sensors (3)

+ Predator (3)

+ Autothrusters (2)

+ Inertial Dampeners (1)

4-LOM (27)

+ Sensor Jammer (4)

+ Inertial Dampeners (1)

+ Wired (1)

+ Zuckuss (1)

Black Sun Ace (23)

+ Glitterstim (2)

+ Crack Shot (1)

Jammer/Wired on 4-LOM can make him a bit more survivable. Advanced Sensors on Guri gives her a lot of mobility and keeps her action when slooping. Each ends up with a tool against TLTs (Jammer, Autothrusters). And we both found room for Glitterstim on the Ace. :)

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So a thought on the Kihraxz Fighter. I also love this model. I have played Graz a few times and while I wish he had an EPT his ability does keep him around longer. Roll 3 AGI on the joust and then the K turn to keep people in his front arc for more 3 AGI shots. yes Crackshot is great and it will do ONE damage but if you can keep the entire ship around for a few more turns then it will likely do 1 more damage or more and it has the enemy having to worry about that ship while the Ace would have died a round or two earlier and not be part of the strategy.

Oh and yes the Mist Hunter will be in my list as soon as it comes out as well : )

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Nice list Obiwonka. My only problem is that I'm really excited to run advanced sensors on 4-LOM. I don't know why. Maybe its because I want the mist hunter to be a super b-wing?

This is an extravagant 4-LOM build, but its the one I'm most excited to try, even if it isn't really competitive:

4-LOM w/ predator, advanced sensors, title, tractor beam, gunner, cloaking device & engine = 45

Reminds me kinda of Ibtisam, but with tractor beam shenanigans and the evade action in case you can't arc-dodge...

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Maybe its because I want the mist hunter to be a super b-wing?

Thats EXACTLY where I'm at although I'm be trying PtL initially. The PS might not be high enough to always shed stress via LOMs ability, at least onto enemy ships, but then I won't always need to. Super stoked about this ship.