https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/spolicy/
Interest in the way they had to deal with this. There must have been a lot of feedback.
Basically they said, dont come back.
Edited by Amraam01FFA New Suspension Policy
Well, that wasn't thought through well at all. If someone with the same name as you gets banned, that's you out.
Well, that wasn't thought through well at all. If someone with the same name as you gets banned, that's you out.
If someone with the exact same name as you attended the exact same tournament as you and got suspended... well, you know what happens to doppelgangers.
Anyway, I'm sure there's a method to differentiate. If John Smith is suspended from a tournament in Arkansas, while John Smith wins a Store Championship in Florida, John Smith from Florida won't be disqualified and his bye won't be nullified; I trust that FFG would be able to realize they're different people from different tournaments.
Well, that wasn't thought through well at all. If someone with the same name as you gets banned, that's you out.
If someone with the exact same name as you attended the exact same tournament as you and got suspended... well, you know what happens to doppelgangers.
Anyway, I'm sure there's a method to differentiate. If John Smith is suspended from a tournament in Arkansas, while John Smith wins a Store Championship in Florida, John Smith from Florida won't be disqualified and his bye won't be nullified; I trust that FFG would be able to realize they're different people from different tournaments.
Alternately, any other players with the same name as the banned one can add an extra vowel to their names. It worked for Joruus C'Baoth!
Am I the only one a bit disturbed by the wall of shame being publicly available? I mean, don't get me wrong, I dislike cheaters as much as the next guy, but this seems like a blatant invitation for internet vigilantism, and that gets ugly, fast.
That already happened (when the video was put up) and pretty much has run it's course.
Who we need to feel for are the other competitors at the event. Someone else in the Top 8 was likely cheated out of a win and that guy is now left wondering if he could have actually won. I suspect 1 or 2 other players who lost to this DB and just missed the cut are now a little peeved that their moment was stolen.
And to the guy who placed second...sure, the books get corrected and he gets the loot (assuming FFG has a spare set of stuff...the DB may decide to keep his ill gotten gains; somehow justifying himself in his own fantasy world) but he has been forever robbed of that moment of elation when you realize all your time and effort have come to fruition, that surge of emotion and pride.
Those are the guys I feel for.
As for the individual in question...You are now disgraced in a format that has followers world-wide. You can never walk into a FLGS without someone pointing and whispering. Your reputation is wrecked and your integrity in tatters.
Was it worth it?
Yeah, you clearly didn't see the threads that were posted before this list.
There really isn't any better options. FFG doesn't have a judge program, so they can't exactly keep that info to only judges, though that is really only giving the appearance of keeping it private, because that info will be aired out. Not really sure how it works now, but I do know that Magic's banned player list used to be public.
Am I the only one a bit disturbed by the wall of shame being publicly available? I mean, don't get me wrong, I dislike cheaters as much as the next guy, but this seems like a blatant invitation for internet vigilantism, and that gets ugly, fast.
I assume you hadn't followed the witchhunt that already took place for Payne and his cheating at Conquest Nationals last year... In case you didn't hear, he won nationals by drawing extra cards all day. The guy didn't just cheat once, he did it at least all day that day and possibly at other tournaments that weren't recorded.
Edited by s1nAm I the only one a bit disturbed by the wall of shame being publicly available? I mean, don't get me wrong, I dislike cheaters as much as the next guy, but this seems like a blatant invitation for internet vigilantism, and that gets ugly, fast.
I am a bit too, but how else are you going to enforce it?
Send an updated list to each event organiser every [insert timeframe here] ? Could work, but a whole lot of extra work.
Have event organisers with their own website and log in to view the wall of shame and extra stuff? That's probably the better option, but is only slightly less public than what we have now. Its not like FFG can then police the event organisers to make sure they aren't publishing the results.
On the flip side, if there is a secret list of denial, I'd like to know if my name was on it and why. I'd be pretty miffed if I went to a tournament and a TO said "Sorry, you can't play, you're name is on a list that says you cheated. I'm not allowed to show you or anyone else but I guarantee you're on it." Authorities can make mistakes too, and secret exclusion lists only compound those errors, even the innocent ones.
FFG was extremely thorough in their investigation. This guy hung himself on a forum after the video was posted. AN accidental target lock not pulled off the board when used or picking up 3 cards instead of 2 as this gentleman did can happen once. This guy kept pulling more cards than he was supposed to (at one point three times in a row). It was captured on the semi-final and final games. That many mistakes does not happen to a premiere level player, I don't care how tired or nervous you are. ESPECIALLY with the method used to quickly pick up the cards.
I am presuming, but I imagine FFG wants this as public as possible as a deterrent. ALSO because the store championship season is just getting started, the public announcement was needed to ensure there is so much talk about it in the community that it's nothing something that any TO (hopefully) could miss seeing/hearing about.
https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/spolicy/
Interest in the way they had to deal with this. There must have been a lot of feedback.
Basically they said, dont come back.
The only weird thing is retroactivity.
As a lawyer I'm not a fan of retroactivity of any decision...
https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/spolicy/
Interest in the way they had to deal with this. There must have been a lot of feedback.
Basically they said, dont come back.
The only weird thing is retroactivity.
As a lawyer I'm not a fan of retroactivity of any decision...
What are they supposed to do? Allow a cheater to remain the winner of the event he cheated at?
https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/spolicy/
Interest in the way they had to deal with this. There must have been a lot of feedback.
Basically they said, dont come back.
The only weird thing is retroactivity.
As a lawyer I'm not a fan of retroactivity of any decision...
What are they supposed to do? Allow a cheater to remain the winner of the event he cheated at?
Ban him from all future events, it's that simple.
get him\her\it on black list that's visible to all players in the downloads section right next to tournament rules.
https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/spolicy/
Interest in the way they had to deal with this. There must have been a lot of feedback.
Basically they said, dont come back.
The only weird thing is retroactivity.
As a lawyer I'm not a fan of retroactivity of any decision...
What are they supposed to do? Allow a cheater to remain the winner of the event he cheated at?
Ban him from all future events, it's that simple.
get him\her\it on black list that's visible to all players in the downloads section right next to tournament rules.
They've done that. They're just also stripping the cheater of the win at the event in which he cheated, which is almost required, IMO. You certainly can't allow him to keep that which he cheated to get. It's really not much different from stripping a cheating athlete of any wins he cheated his way towards.
Edited by DR4COBan him from all future events, it's that simple.The only weird thing is retroactivity.https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/spolicy/
Interest in the way they had to deal with this. There must have been a lot of feedback.
Basically they said, dont come back.
As a lawyer I'm not a fan of retroactivity of any decision...
What are they supposed to do? Allow a cheater to remain the winner of the event he cheated at?
get him\her\it on black list that's visible to all players in the downloads section right next to tournament rules.
Retroactivity is pretty standard.
Edited by ReiverMan, the Future Farmers of America don't mess around.
so they dont just get kicked down to the suspended players bracket anymore??? 
I am not a lawyer but redress is an essential part of any fair justice system in my opinion. I don't see how there can't be a retrospective element to that. New laws that take effect retrospectively are a different thing amd I share Warpman's distate for that.
Well, that wasn't thought through well at all. If someone with the same name as you gets banned, that's you out.
If someone with the exact same name as you attended the exact same tournament as you and got suspended... well, you know what happens to doppelgangers.
Anyway, I'm sure there's a method to differentiate. If John Smith is suspended from a tournament in Arkansas, while John Smith wins a Store Championship in Florida, John Smith from Florida won't be disqualified and his bye won't be nullified; I trust that FFG would be able to realize they're different people from different tournaments.
I too thought banning a name with no more information was too daft to be true, but they have their List Of Shame right there on the same page. And it's just names.
I feel sorry for anyone with a very common name who plays X-wing competitively.
Edited by Blue FiveWell, that wasn't thought through well at all. If someone with the same name as you gets banned, that's you out.
If someone with the exact same name as you attended the exact same tournament as you and got suspended... well, you know what happens to doppelgangers.
Anyway, I'm sure there's a method to differentiate. If John Smith is suspended from a tournament in Arkansas, while John Smith wins a Store Championship in Florida, John Smith from Florida won't be disqualified and his bye won't be nullified; I trust that FFG would be able to realize they're different people from different tournaments.
I too thought banning a name with no more information was too daft to be true, but they have their List Of Shame right there on the same page. And it's just names.
I feel sorry for anyone with a very common name who plays X-wing competitively.
I sent an email to organized play directly with the same concern.
Well, I assume this means that we're getting ever closer to a proper OP players database with cards and numbers and everything! I've long held the opinion that FFG OP program should have been structured like the DCI is for WotC.