Honestly, we're seeing ill-conceived and badly considered threads pop up suggesting (or demanding) fixes every single day, and all it's doing in the majority of cases is causing aggravation.

"Fix" implies something is "Broken", which is very rarely the case in this game. Sure, certain ships can occasionally use a tweak in functionality, a slight buff or nerf - but that's an ongoing process, and we see upgrades which improve or reduce the effectiveness of various ships appear with every release.

So before you storm onto the forum and post a thread claiming that such-and-such ship needs a "fix", ask yourself: would it not be better to ask the forum how many people use the ship, how they run it, what their perceptions of it are, what builds they have success with and what it's best/worst match ups are?

You might get more mileage out of your topic that way.

No, nerf everything, nerf them into the ground.

I agree 100%!!! I also see way to many forums asking..."will this work?" or something to that affect. How about you try it yourself, then report in the forums your results and ask for advice later if your own testing wasn't helpful.

Or you just spend a couple of weekeds playing it in different variations.

If the "problem" of a ship being completely useless persists, read the forums, maybe you just didn't understand "how to cook" the ship.

Our meta has been trying to stuff B-wings with cannons, slap hull upgrades on interceptors (low-skill nterceptors, who needs fel, he's too overpriced, BAww )

If that doesn't help, try to find the nearest equivalent to ship in it's role.

If that ship also is a lackluster, it's a game design feature like "Jousters are not needed, play Acewing" ©FFG Wave4+

If that ship is better than the one you think is "broken" it might really be broken. Don't play it in competitive play, leave it for fun games.

Pre-*** TIE Advanced = broken

Pre nerf Phantom = broken

That's just two examples that were very specifically targeted by FFG. Other upgrades to other ships may be considered adding variety in potential builds like all the love the Y-wing has gotten, but ships do get ***ed because they can be broken.

"Fix" implies something is "Broken", which is very rarely the case in this game. Sure, certain ships can occasionally use a tweak in functionality, a slight buff or nerf - but that's an ongoing process, and we we see upgrades which improve or reduce the effectiveness of various ships appear with every release.

Rare?

FFG has attempted/fixed the following:

TIE/Phantom (nerf).

A-Wing (Chardaan Refit).

TIE/Advanced (ATC).

TIE/Interceptor (Autothrusters).

Tactician (pre YV-666 nerf).

Y-Wing (Title and/or TLT).

Ordnance (various toys).

TIE/Defender (two Titles).

Let's not kid ourselves, the game is reasonably balanced but it's not perfect. Why else would FFG have implemented some of the more blatant and elegant fixes?

It can be healthy to discuss fixes when the tournament data shows that some ships have been under/over-performing.

its sad in a way, almost every ship has required a "serious recalibration".

also funny that broken can be mean uber bad, or uber good.

see above.

Also missed large ship MOV which was BROKEN BEYOND BELIEF.

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x: broken, IA, fix incoming

t70: broken, i bet you no one will use the generics.

y: needed buff in face of PWT, TLT

hwk: needed same buff, TLT

e: generics ded.

yt13: broken

yt24: broken

b: not broken.

z: not broken. but rest of pilots of totally unused.

tie f: "broken" by phantom. but largely not broken. very strong throughout. median guide line for 100% power.

fo: not broken. Many pilots look to be in great shape.

int: broken, auto

adv: broken, title

firespray: broken, useless atm.

bomber: broken, needed huge buffs for ordnance

punisher: unused

VT: broken

lambda shuttle: never broken rawrrrrr. Always relevant. 2014 nat champs. still got palpatine

phantom: broken, nerfed

defender: broken, fix

syck: broken

starviper: broken

firespray: still broken... though with the removal of fat turrets, firepsprays might have a much better time.

khrizaskldjfnd: boring.

IG: very strong. i would consider, not broken.

etc.

What you should note is that.. FFG has basically tried to remedy and increase options on all the ships. In light of that, they do a really darn good job. seriously. some of those fixes are simply mind boggling.

Everything is perfect, there are no fixes, never were and never will be

Anyone who doesn't agree with that is a heretic and deserves summary execution and "nidz ta git gud"

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The forum is a place for opinions exchange, that is it's primary purpose.

OP, we all know you're a fanboy. That's no secret.

But the fact stays: there were broken ships, there were fixed ships, there were cheese incarnate ships, there were nerfed cheese ships.

and there will be more ships that need and get fixing.

I'm still waiting for the TIE fighter fix.

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,,,,see, that's the kind of thing I was talking about in the OP, people. Blail Berg clearly doesn't understand what the word "fix" means. Or "broken" either, for that matter.

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,,,,see, that's the kind of thing I was talking about in the OP, people. Blail Berg clearly doesn't understand what the word "fix" means. Or "broken" either, for that matter.

FTS Gecko, you've just belittled Blail Berg's comment and then insulted his intelligence by suggesting he doesn't understand.

Why did you post this thread when it was laced with negative over-tones from the start?

What positive contribution do you hope to achieve from this thread?

I'm curious.

I will always laugh at the notation that autothrusters fixed interceptors. Interceptors flew just fine before, I've know some great interceptor pilots, autothrusters just made them that much more potent.

The rest I'll let you all have, but honestly its been more how the game has ebbed and flowed more then anything, seeing how one release effects it more then play testing would of suggested, also the fact that it went from one designers hands to another. At least the new crew is making much more steady progress. But then again, I never expect a game to be perfect, especially a tabletop. But doesn't mean it can't be fun.

Outrageously over the top comment snipped for the sake of everyone's sanity...

,,,,see, that's the kind of thing I was talking about in the OP, people. Blail Berg clearly doesn't understand what the word "fix" means. Or "broken" either, for that matter.

FTS Gecko, you've just belittled Blail Berg's comment and then insulted his intelligence by suggesting he doesn't understand.

Why did you post this thread when it was laced with negative over-tones from the start?

What positive contribution do you hope to achieve from this thread?

I'm curious.

The same you guys have with the constant negativity

Yeah I came to the forum to learn more about the game, figure out new tips and tactics and stuff, not log in every day and have to sift through the 50% of all front page threads complaining or suggesting fixes. We all know there are certain things that need tweaks but people could at least keep them all in one area instead of saturating the front page with so many duplicate threads.

OP has a legit gripe. There is a "fix the tlt carrying hawk" thread on the first page of this forum.

Broken is incredibly overused here!

is k. im having fun anyway. i do agree though.

but ****, if i dont get me a starviper FIX. I wont be happy.

Yeah I came to the forum to learn more about the game, figure out new tips and tactics and stuff, not log in every day and have to sift through the 50% of all front page threads complaining or suggesting fixes.

Of the 28 threads currently on the main page, three mention fixing ships.

3 / 28 = 10.7%.

Let me know when you have a screen capture of your '50%'.

I will always laugh at the notation that autothrusters fixed interceptors. Interceptors flew just fine before, I've know some great interceptor pilots, autothrusters just made them that much more potent.

The rest I'll let you all have, but honestly its been more how the game has ebbed and flowed more then anything, seeing how one release effects it more then play testing would of suggested, also the fact that it went from one designers hands to another. At least the new crew is making much more steady progress. But then again, I never expect a game to be perfect, especially a tabletop. But doesn't mean it can't be fun.

I will never understand this. Did you ever play interceptors vs fat turrets all day with old large ship MOV? No? Yknow, the wave5 wave6 boogeymen: Han Jake, Dash Corran, RAC Whisper, RAC Soontir, or the hellacious Kenkirk LW Isard Palpatine EU + Soontir/Vader?

Tell me again. I'll do that alll day.

Old large ship mov

Kenkirk LW EU Isard Palpatine + Vader ATC EU VI

vs

your interceptors all without autothrusters.

any. go ahead, pick. I'll wait. *wiggles the Green Dragon sword.

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edit: sorry for tone. I'm just messing around. Mean no disrespect. =)

Ficks. No that's 5

Fiks

There we go. done it.

I did, look up my name on the regionals and last year's 2 years worth of store championships, imdaar alpha, you name it. My 3x RGP and Dark curse list, the same one I took to 2014 regionals where I placed top 4 ended its career at 97-17 in tournament games. This was against pre nerf phantoms, han shoots first, fat han, and a few other popular "OP" lists of the time. I've been playing since wave 1, so yes, I have played against a good majority of those lists.

Edit: hell last regionals I took Fel and 5x obsidians to this year's regionals, which was contrary to popular opinion. Made the top 8 but first game of the elimination I was on extreme tilt because the TO gave my dice/tokens to 9th place and didn't fix the issue, twice. He gave me his set after my game ended.

Everything is perfect, there are no fixes, never were and never will be

Anyone who doesn't agree with that is a heretic and deserves summary execution and "nidz ta git gud"

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The forum is a place for opinions exchange, that is it's primary purpose.

OP, we all know you're a fanboy. That's no secret.

But the fact stays: there were broken ships, there were fixed ships, there were cheese incarnate ships, there were nerfed cheese ships.

and there will be more ships that need and get fixing.

But i am totally in favor of being careful with rebalancing, unless something isvtotally useless. Like the Tie Advanced was for example.

Rebalanced is a more accurate term. But even so, Rebalancing a ship for the meta is just fixing it for the meta. Nomenclature is nomenclature.

I'm still waiting for the TIE fighter fix.

I'm still waiting for the TIE Fighter sequel.

The OP really means that hyperbolic argumentative BS has replaced actual debate and rational opinions in many threads on this board and thought the webs.

I think.

For instance, ships can't be just 'ok' in the eyes of a few vocal posters, they have to be the best at everything or at least do a couple things better than anyone. Same with K-whatever and a few other ships. Scyk, though, wow, only a mother can love that ugly broken child

(Actually the Scyk can be a decent blocker and in many ways is the ultimate glass cannon, but should have been treated like the TIE fighter with 3 generics with PS 1 being 13 points and three aces, but that would have precluded all but 2 upgrade cards.)

I'm the only one who likes the Syck Sniper aren't I?