I want to do a list with roark AND the stresshog.

Thats what I did for TLT spam: Stresshog, TLT Roark with Nien Nunb, 2 TLT Y-Wings. https://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Rebel%20Alliance&d=v3!s!46:135,32:-1:-1:;9:135,-1,-1,69:21:-1:;9:135,-1,-1,-1:-1:-1:;9:135,-1,-1,-1:-1:-1:&sn=Unnamed%20Squadron

If you are brave the Y-Wings can also be ShockHWKs with TLT+Tactician.

Can't really say what Roark gives to the list

aside from letting stress-Y not die before shooting >_>

sad that S&V has no stresshog to make their HWK-YYY list even remotely as good

It's not as if they don't have brilliant pilots or anything...

Roark means someone fires before soontir. Always. Doesn't need to be the hog.

By far it is mostly useful only in situations when both are at brink of destruction, and this shot is the decisive one.

Doesn't happen too often for me, though.

S&V HWK says EVERYBODY shoots before soontir. I think it's more fun.

buuuut we don't get anything like stress-Y so soontir is a much greater problem.

Roark also means your wounded ships get one more turn of firing. That's a huge chunk of the effectiveness of his ability, that one hull b wing will get one more 3/4 dice attack before it dies, stresshog gets to spread love one more time, that z95 you got into range one with a banked focus and target lock? It actually gets a damage through before being blown up. Torkil does the opposite and let's you pull a ship off the board before it shoots.

Roark also can help in those critical moments.

What if Biggs or Blue has an R1 on soontir, but Vader has R1 on him?

Biggs or Blue get's to take that shot.

Stress before recloak doesn't hurt it? Especially with 3 TLT incoming I would seriously doubt that.

Roark and Torkil counter some ships incredibly hard (Roark more so) and still are usefull in all other matchups (Torkil more so).

Even a simple TLT in teh face really hurts a non-cloaked Phantom actually. It's a Z-95 until it cloaks.

hard to wreck Z-95?

1 Yes, but so many ships can take ion... don't discount the HWK here.

2. Eh, he will be. I'll grant he's no biggs.

3. Biggs. "Yes, I can see you want to shoot at the HWK", but you can't. Aside from that, in my case Nien means my HWK can move a bit more. Also, knowing that your enemy wants to shoot the HWK probably means you know where he'll be. Which mitigates his abiltiy to arc dodge.

4. True enough. I saw a sweet model of the normandy at my FLGS. I probably need to get it. I love mass effect even more than Halo. I blame Halo 4 and 5 for this.

1. But ion is better than TLT only when you can reliably push it through, not hoping that "well, this time, Fels dice will catch space cancer"

they might never do it at all. It's overcosted for what it does, really.

2. but he's big, fat, low-PS, and can be a great blocker. if FFG doesn't give it a HWK-style dial...

best arcdodger is a blocked ioned arcdodger!

3. 25 point pinata that is. most of the game he's just presenting his buttocks to the enemy to draw fire. In josuter lists he at least gets to shoot his guns. another 2-3 TLTs don't really care where the arcdodger will head, why pretend you know that when you can stop giving a **** and start taling him conga-style? He's catching your 4-green-forward HWK?

*Gunner on Y-wing starts reciting machinegunner lines from Full Metal Jacket

-GET SOME! GET SOME! ©

R 2 arc TLT shots work wonders on autoththruster-lovers

4. Both are good because they have relatively logical technological base, not....erm...BLASTERS...everywhere.

The argument could be had for removing the A4 title from the y-wing and doublestressing rather than triple, either way biggs very presence means neither the stresshog or roark are getting shot at, and Biggs probably gets to joust at least once. It will do damage. I will say I like the ion emitter jumpmaster too, for blocking.

There was never triple-stressing >_>

Only a tactician+gunner falcon shooting his cluster missiles....

BTLY never made 3 stresses as far as I know. Our meta is former 40k and FB, so we RAWed it faster than any FAQ arrived.

Intimidating Ion projector intel officer Jumpmaster is a good idea, but we're not getting to taste and test him till FFG thinks us deserving of more info.

They don't have to be expensive. Just take the one you like the pilot ability of then stick a TLT on him. Maybe tactician crew. That's all you need.

That's already around 30 points. Can't really say it's cheap.

Choosing between Kavil \ smiley Rental

and such a HWK I'm afraid it's not in HWK favor.

They don't have to be expensive. Just take the one you like the pilot ability of then stick a TLT on him. Maybe tactician crew. That's all you need.

That's already around 30 points. Can't really say it's cheap.

Choosing between Kavil \ smiley Rental

and such a HWK I'm afraid it's not in HWK favor.

What sort of logic is this? Palob or torkil with TLT come in at one or two points more expensive than a naked Kavil. They're more comparable to the cost of generic Y-wings to which they are a bit more useful than.

Palob with TLT and tactician is still 2pts cheaper than Kavil with TLT and again does more for your list. Mainly because those 2pts really determine how many other ships you can fit in. You can spend 28pts on a HWK and still fit in three more TLT Y wings or two Ys and two Zs. You can't do that with Kavil. I'm not really sure what Kabul actually adds to a scum list over a generic. Palob and Torkil really mess with people.

TLT performs attack twice, and may declare separate attacks, therefore target has to be declared twice. That and primary = 3 stress for 3 stress. I just checked the faq and nothing seems to be written against this.

TLT performs attack twice, and may declare separate attacks, therefore target has to be declared twice. That and primary = 3 stress for 3 stress. I just checked the faq and nothing seems to be written against this.

"Perform this attack twice" just like cluster missiles. You can't change the target of the second shot.

TLT performs attack twice, and may declare separate attacks, therefore target has to be declared twice. That and primary = 3 stress for 3 stress. I just checked the faq and nothing seems to be written against this.

TLT may not select seperate targets, you are thinking of BTL-A4. It attacks twice, thereby triggering Tactician twice, but a target is only chosen once, just like with Cluster Missiles. If the first attack destroys the target, the second shot is lost.

That's fair enough. Shows how much I use Rebels. So A4 is essential then, but TLT isn't. Maybe the ION is a better choice.... Riskier sure.

Ion used to be what we used, a perfect fit for Panic Attack, making all ships cost 25 points. TLT does however enable range 3 double stresses, which is huge. I'd say it is superior by quite a bit.

Tactician would give 2 stress with tlt no matter the platform because it attacks twice, but tlt only gives 1 stress with stressbot astromech because it only declares target once which is where the Y-wing title comes in to dish out 2 stress. Once on primary and once on tlt turret.

Ok, so i could remove the R2 from biggs and numb, then give Roark tactician. Increasing stress output. (doubling it potentially).

I could remove the blue and replace with a rookie... Not sure I want to do that though. Nah. I'd rather let biggs keep the astro, and keep to double stress.

Ultimately all this proves is that the HWK is a viable stress machine, as well as utility.

Palob, Torkhil - each with tactician and TLT with Latz Razzi /fins/bossk/gunner/flachette cannon/bugzapper looks to be a good stressbuild.

I call it Brown squadron.

Ok, so i could remove the R2 from biggs and numb, then give Roark tactician. Increasing stress output. (doubling it potentially).

I could remove the blue and replace with a rookie... Not sure I want to do that though. Nah. I'd rather let biggs keep the astro, and keep to double stress.

Ultimately all this proves is that the HWK is a viable stress machine, as well as utility.

Viable sure, but not exactly effective compared to a y-wing. Tactician only works in arc and the HWK can't k-turn or boost to correct it's orientation.

You'll have a chance if you flank or on an initial joust but the enemy is going to want to be in close to deny you tlt shots so you won't be pointing at them in range 2 very often after that.

Initial joust is about the size of it. piling on as many as possible during.

I have run that combo on Rebel operatives and it is quite potent, but really hard to pull off. Also having Biggs helps with the questionable durability of the HWKs and a Stresshog adds a bit of reliability.

It also makes a good substitute for a Tactician B-Wing if you want the TLT Stresshog in Panic Attack.

Edit.

Basicaly this: https://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Rebel%20Alliance&d=v3!s!44:-1,-1,-1,-1:-1:11:U.61;44:-1,-1,-1,-1:-1:11:U.61;45:135,61:-1:-1:;9:135,-1,-1,69:21:-1:&sn=Unnamed%20Squadron

Or this: https://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Rebel%20Alliance&d=v3!s!9:135,-1,-1,69:21:-1:;45:135,61:-1:-1:;45:135,61:-1:-1:;4:-1,77:-1:20:&sn=Unnamed%20Squadron

Is what I am talking about. I think we should take a moment and appreciate that there actually is a reason to use ROs. If you had told me that a year ago I'd have declared you crazy!

Palob, Torkhil - each with tactician and TLT with Latz Razzi /fins/bossk/gunner/flachette cannon/bugzapper looks to be a good stressbuild.

I call it Brown squadron.

Tactician would work nicely on Latz. The big arc and gunner will go nicely with Tactician.

Palob, Torkhil - each with tactician and TLT with Latz Razzi /fins/bossk/gunner/flachette cannon/bugzapper looks to be a good stressbuild.

I call it Brown squadron.

Tactician would work nicely on Latz. The big arc and gunner will go nicely with Tactician.

Good point. Will switch him in and remove the flachette..

For my above rebel list, I replaced the blue Bwing with lt. blount, an ion missile and wingman. So soontir will be ioned and stressed AND without an SD(re-reads card) also damaged. Also the Y will be shedding stress faster.

I did lose a red dice there, figured it was worth it.

Bonus as due to Rourke/biggs blount isn't dying first!

Since Soont is all but guaranteed ion it also means a second stresshogging/mass TLTing.

Palob, Torkhil - each with tactician and TLT with Latz Razzi /fins/bossk/gunner/flachette cannon/bugzapper looks to be a good stressbuild.

I call it Brown squadron.

Tactician would work nicely on Latz. The big arc and gunner will go nicely with Tactician.

Well, if you want to turn YV into ace-menace, there's always VI Bossk+Tactician+Gunner+K4sec+EU

he sure makes aces brown their pants.

Razzi is the pigtails of doom.

She wants Weapons engineer and K4, hardly much more

she can just paint two targets even when stressed and her buddies can then feel themselves Wedge Antilles for a moment.

If you want to make a COME HERE LITTLE PIGGIES! one, there's an Amoral Eval with HLK, K4, Zuckuss and 4-lom onboard.

he makes even soontir scream WHAT, HOW!? without stresses.

but how is that working for HWKs is something I can't quite figure. HWK has nothing to do woth Razzi ability, and Eval isn't really at sync with it all.

I reckon they sync. Tapping Soontir down to 0 and removing his evade defo helps.

I WILL ADMIT that the rebel config I outlined above works better but IMO needs Roark to carry it. Biggs would probably die and leave blount and the stresshog vulnerable without it.

Well, haven't yet tested it, but so far as I see it, Amoral Eval in such config can bring a world of pain to any dude.

Soontir has F-F-E? No Evade for you lad

with your focus and TL from K4 you make 3,5 average.

now you watch him roll his dice and tell him to re-roll all evades.

most likely he's already squeaking...

You could run palob naked and treat him like a mini biggs.

Enemy will target him first, as him stealing tokens is ewil.

You could run palob naked and treat him like a mini biggs.

Enemy will target him first, as him stealing tokens is ewil.

I think Dorsal Turret will make that use of Palob a more common sight.