Being Nice in tournaments?

By UndefeatedAce, in X-Wing

Part of it is just the nature of the game as well - I don't think I've ever had a tournament game played in stony silence. Everyone I've played has narrated what they're doing, commented on dice rolls etc.

It just means that helper comments kinda fall out of me. I actually have some sympathy with people who say they don't want any help, and there has been times I've had to try to rein the habit in a bit.

I lost a Store Championship because I pointed out, that my opponent had already begun firing with a lowly Bandit Z-95, before his Talas and Chewie, and I let him shoot with the rest of his ships - in the correct order of PS of course.

I don't regret it.

Edit:

Short answer, it is entirely up to you.

Edited by Keffisch

I appreciate all of the comments. Everyone is basically saying what I thought would be the best way of handling it.

I agree new players get a pass most times, & at the same time just because you're nee & playing in a competitive tournament doesn't mean you get it easy.

Mandatory effects are just that.

& no matter how you decide to handle things, always keep your cool & never be a jerk to anyone.

On a side note though, I can tell you first hand that learning from your mistakes or because you forgot something can be the greatest learning experience.

In that same tournament I forgot to decloaked my whisper & ended up parking her on an asteroid right in front of two very happy Bwings. To my relief & surprise she actually survived & for the rest of the tournament I never forgot to decloak again. Lol

Edited by UndefeatedAce

I'd say professional courtesy goes a long way, mitigating some people are keyboard warriors only and some genuinely are over polite.

You only learn from mistakes if you realize you made them, if no one points it out you won't learn.

It's not your job to play for him but if you notice something that he missed and it would benefit you if he failed to do it I think you should point it out.

Also mandatory effects must be obeyed whether they notice or not or your cheating.

Please don't mention mandatory effects. That's a can of worms left to it's own thread.

You only learn from mistakes if you realize you made them, if no one points it out you won't learn.

After the match is over is a good time. I've had more experienced players, when I was learning the game, point out things after the match that I had plain forgotten. I don't begrudge them all for taking advantage of the situation, because they never rushed me, and always asked if I was done before they took their turn for things.

One can play to win, and be incredibly helpful in helping someone see where they may have gone wrong too.

Ahh but it can also feel like your being talked down to and they may get angry that you won because you saw they missed something but you never mentioned it.

There's no perfect solution but personally I'd hate to win because such a scenario happened and I kept quiet.

This coming March will be one year since my first store tourney. With about two months of experience under my belt I flew what I thought was a squad I was fairly familiar with. Come the event I was more concerned about not effing up my moves, knocking ships over with range rulers etc., that I forgot all about Cracken and Blount's abilities. I can't remember if my opponent reminded me as the first rounds are pretty much blocked from memory as I did really bad.

As a noob I was welcomed in to the group and treated well. I was given good post game critiques of my play which was appreciated. Only one opponent was, overly exuberant about tabling me but I later found out that he lacked some of the social graces.

Whether you give reminders or not is up to you. Remember even if the guy has played alot this could be his first real competition and is more concerned about not looking like a complete tool to remember what he brought.

Oh I've got a mate like that who'll rub your face in it when he's winning and pout like a child when losing we mostly tune him out its a case of only child syndrome.

Treat your opponent how you'd want to be treated in their position. That simple.

I don't want to win because my opponent had a lapse in concentration.

If they miss something and I see it like forgetting to take an action I point it out. If it's something forgotten to do and realized way latter if the thing was obvious I allow the late correction.

I like to feel like I won, not that my opponent lost. The victories feel hollow otherwise.

However I don't expect my opponent to do the same for me. If I mess up, that's on me.

Oh I've got a mate like that who'll rub your face in it when he's winning and pout like a child when losing we mostly tune him out its a case of only child syndrome.

Hey, wait a bit! I'm an only child.

It's a tournament.

It's his mistake and he should learn about it.

At the end of the turn you may politely remind him about the abilities he has forgotten to use.

Or not. Completely depends on your mood.

But tournaments are meant to be harsh. Started shooting with PS1? no PS3 shots for you, lad.

^ don't be thus guy.

I'll remind opponents of shots, give the benefit of the doubt for close bumps and arcs, and even question their target priorities - " you sure you wanna shoot that a wing? The other a wing doesn't have a focus token and is down a Shield"

That way, when I win, I really win. And if I lose, I just blame it on veing such a nice guy.

I don't want to win because my opponent had a lapse in concentration.

If they miss something and I see it like forgetting to take an action I point it out. If it's something forgotten to do and realized way latter if the thing was obvious I allow the late correction.

I like to feel like I won, not that my opponent lost. The victories feel hollow otherwise.

However I don't expect my opponent to do the same for me. If I mess up, that's on me.

This guy gets it. Would play with any day.

This topic comes up often, and that is not a bad thing. The X-wing group has a reputation of being a friendly and fun crowd for all levels of play. Some have stated that one's level of forgiveness should depend on the level of tournament. And I agree with that. Casual tournaments should be a great place for new players to gain experience against vets. Mistakes will happen, and as long as everyone remains polite, that's OK.

Here is the other side of the coin, at any level.... One player's good time should not be sacrificed for another. Playing by the rules means everything is fair. If it's a casual game, correct your opponent once (if you even notice the mistake) and then move on. Unless you are enjoying helping to run your opponent's list, you should never feel obligated to.

In the end, at all levels of play, we are pushing little plastic miniatures of our favorite sci-fi universe around a table with other Star Wars fans. If you are not having fun doing this, then you are doing it wrong.

Fly Casual.

It is bad, because it inevitably falls into personal insults between two extremes.

I don't care if it's a casual game or the finals at world's, I'll always allow my opponent to fix obvious mistakes. It's not like there is much at stake and I'd rather have a fun game and lose than win because my opponent flew half his points off the board in round 1.

The only situation that I can think of in which I wouldn't allow an opponent to fix a mistake is if he picked a red move while stressed and there is no way to know what the original intention was.

It is bad, because it inevitably falls into personal insults between two extremes.

Ad Hominem should neither be entertained or addressed.

It is bad, because it inevitably falls into personal insults between two extremes.

Ad Hominem should neither be entertained or addressed.

An insult isn't an ad hominem.

It is bad, because it inevitably falls into personal insults between two extremes.

Ad Hominem should neither be entertained or addressed.

An insult isn't an ad hominem.

You're quite keen to point that out.

I just used one too!

It is bad, because it inevitably falls into personal insults between two extremes.

Ad Hominem should neither be entertained or addressed.

An insult isn't an ad hominem.

Ad hominem is an attack on the one making the argument, rather than the argument itself. In this way, most (if not all) personal insults would be considered ad hominem.

It is bad, because it inevitably falls into personal insults between two extremes.

Ad Hominem should neither be entertained or addressed.

An insult isn't an ad hominem.

Ad hominem is an attack on the one making the argument, rather than the argument itself. In this way, most (if not all) personal insults would be considered ad hominem.

The insult has to be related to the dismissal of the argument for it to be an ad hominem.

1) You're wrong because you're ugly. <--- Ad hominem

2) You're wrong *insert reason here* and you're ugly. <--- Not ad hominem

It is bad, because it inevitably falls into personal insults between two extremes.

Ad Hominem should neither be entertained or addressed.

An insult isn't an ad hominem.

Ad hominem is an attack on the one making the argument, rather than the argument itself. In this way, most (if not all) personal insults would be considered ad hominem.

So while there is overlap between ad hominems and insults, they are not the same thing.

It is bad, because it inevitably falls into personal insults between two extremes.

Ad Hominem should neither be entertained or addressed.

An insult isn't an ad hominem.

Ad hominem is an attack on the one making the argument, rather than the argument itself. In this way, most (if not all) personal insults would be considered ad hominem.
An ad hominem is an example of a fallacy, and a fallacy is a kind of reasoning that is formally or informally not valid. So an ad hominem requires that somehow, an attempt is made to argue against a person's view using the ad hominem form of reasoning. Many insults aim to do exactly that, but certainly not all. An insult can just as well be meant to simply intimidate. And an ad hominem doesn't have to be insulting.

So while there is overlap between ad hominems and insults, they are not the same thing.

Said it way better than me. :D