Ooh, once Imperial Vets drops, you'll have enough points for Vessery + Lone Wolf + x7 title. He'll do a bunch of damage, is great at keeping the heat on if you're trying to disengage with Boba, and is dirty tough once Boba dies. Maybe not Soontir tough, but more damaging, and much tougher when stressed or blocked or mined.

Since my build is at 94 points now since I dropped the cannon and upgraded Kallus to Weapons Engineer, we can put a modification on Vesery. Hull to stay at a safe 97.

Since you're running the x7, you can go with Juke also. Always having a Target Lock, Focus, and (Juke) Evade on Vessery is going to be nuts.

I ran LRS boba + vess for a few games using the /D title. It didn't work as well as I'd hoped but thats more because my fett build sucked, I think. LRS is going to prevent engineer from functioning at times I'm afraid. How often idk..

Ruthlessness + /D title was like adding a 3rd ships worth of firepower btw. I can recommend this setup.

It might also be worth considering the HLC in this instance on fett even though it goes against conventional wisdom for firesprays.

It's the complete opposite, you'll get many more Target Locks with LRS. Turn one against Palp Aces you drop a TL on Soontir and Vader and start the engagement with TL + Focus. I flew against a palp aces build and wanted to shoot Vader out of the sky with Homing Missiles but he was PS 11 and during the initial engagement I wasn't able to acquire the TL.

Ooh, Ruthlessness and TIE MK II. *intimate exhale* You can just shoot at their stupid shuttle and get damage through on an ace.

Or what about Decoy? PS 10 Vessery!

The build is getting better and better.

Juke works pretty great, but the idea vibe hind Lone Wolf is that instead of losing a lot of awesome when Boba dies, he changes out old awesome for new awesome. From that perspective, consider Stealth Device instead of Hull Upgrade. If the other squad goes for Boba first, you've got a bit of time to take out their biggest guns, leaving the leftovers to try and punch through 4 AGI + Focus (probably) + Evade + a re-roll. It's pretty horrific, and unlike Fel, the other squad still has a ton of work to do once the Stealth Device breaks. If they devote a gun to breaking the Stealth Device early, they're splitting fire, or just leaving Boba for last, which is pretty good for you either way.

It's the complete opposite, you'll get many more Target Locks with LRS. Turn one against Palp Aces you drop a TL on Soontir and Vader and start the engagement with TL + Focus. I flew against a palp aces build and wanted to shoot Vader out of the sky with Homing Missiles but he was PS 11 and during the initial engagement I wasn't able to acquire the TL.

That's about the optimal match for LRS and there its going to rock. Hell it might just rock all around with engineer idk since I haven't used that combo yet and it seems like 3 ship builds are in style. A single lock without boost caused me problems at times though.

Ooh, Ruthlessness and TIE MK II. *intimate exhale* You can just shoot at their stupid shuttle and get damage through on an ace.

Or even double damage. I've smoked a turtled jake with ruthlessness doing 2 damage in a turn.

Or what about Decoy? PS 10 Vessery!

What a trip. Its almost a throwback now to double defenders using fett in place of brath.

Juke works pretty great, but the idea vibe hind Lone Wolf is that instead of losing a lot of awesome when Boba dies, he changes out old awesome for new awesome. From that perspective, consider Stealth Device instead of Hull Upgrade. If the other squad goes for Boba first, you've got a bit of time to take out their biggest guns, leaving the leftovers to try and punch through 4 AGI + Focus (probably) + Evade + a re-roll. It's pretty horrific, and unlike Fel, the other squad still has a ton of work to do once the Stealth Device breaks. If they devote a gun to breaking the Stealth Device early, they're splitting fire, or just leaving Boba for last, which is pretty good for you either way.

I like this idea. I've seen what a x7 with stealth backed by the emperor can do. Its annoying because the usual fel counters aren't effective.. vader, meh you'll die first. Stress, lolz white k, assign evade.

Juke works pretty great, but the idea vibe hind Lone Wolf is that instead of losing a lot of awesome when Boba dies, he changes out old awesome for new awesome. From that perspective, consider Stealth Device instead of Hull Upgrade. If the other squad goes for Boba first, you've got a bit of time to take out their biggest guns, leaving the leftovers to try and punch through 4 AGI + Focus (probably) + Evade + a re-roll. It's pretty horrific, and unlike Fel, the other squad still has a ton of work to do once the Stealth Device breaks. If they devote a gun to breaking the Stealth Device early, they're splitting fire, or just leaving Boba for last, which is pretty good for you either way.

The great thing about a Defender is that I can be running one turn and join the fight the next. If soontir PtL tanks he can't really do that because he will be stressed. If a Defender approaches a joust and just decides to, "**** it mane, I'm outta here" with a 5 straight that bumps, next turn you can 4 K-Turn.

And if Boba is being tailed that's great because bombs. The best thing about Proton Bombs is when an opponent's ship is a B-Wing or something that's not fast enough to avoid a bomb and it's already stressed and your opponent has no option but to hope that you forget to have bombs but you're not forgetting. Killed a 1 health Ten Numb and a Green Squadron with Proton bombs in a game, was great, my opponent was very demoralized.

I tried to use Defenders before during the Fat Turretwing era but a 5 straight couldn't run you far enough from a turret and a predator RAC would kill them about as easily as a TIE Fighter. Now that the meta isn't entirely that there is actually an advantage to the Defender's gotta go fast dial.

This build is going to be nuts. Weapons Engineer helps it so much and LRS and the Defender buff is going to push this from, "Yeah, that's cute but you only succeeded because of a few lucky rolls, would have been better with a 65 point RAC" to actually good. You have action economy, you have that obnoxious, "if you go after corran you're ******, if you go after chewy you're ******" aspect to it, and best of all you have style.

OH YEAH, DITCHING ENGINE UPGRADE FROM BOBA FOR LRS SAVES US 4 MORE POINTS. So we have plenty of points for stuff, just need to stay at/under 97. If only the x7 title didn't take away your missile slot. We have the points for the D Title and a cannon but I'd probably prefer the added survivablity of x7.

Next time I play I'm going to try it with Vessery. It's probably going to be a tournament so I'll have to go without LRS and x7 but if it's not I'll ask to proxy them. Dropping engine on Boba now frees up a whole 7 points, so just HLC or some other sort of combo?

The problem with either named imperial firespray and any init bid is that you are playing on an uneven field. Getting a PS 10 Fet with an init bid of three is **** near 8pts. Add on a ton of extras and you're missing out on that third ship.

Firesprays, especially imperials, really need a second crew slot. So much potential. I love em, still run them, but they are REALLY starting to feel like "old tech" right now.

Another option for PS 10 hijinks is the inquisitor. His VI build is 30pts and that certainly leaves room for a third ship.

When you ditch the bombs and missiles and other fancy stuff from the Firespray, you end up saving enough points for a Crack Squadron or a high PS TIE Fighter. If that's going to be my 3rd ship, I'd rather just have all my fancy **** back.

Boba with VI and Soontir is 75 points. 25 points is not enough for a ship that's good enough to make up for all the stuff being taken off Boba.

So I played it a few more times, proxying LRS on Boba and x7 on Vessery.

Lost Boba to 2 Redline Cluster Missile Volleys. Haha, stay away from that crazy mofo.

Snagged a kill on a Whisper with a direct hit Proton bomb, albeit only because my opponent forgot I had bombs.

Defender with x7 is nasty.

In another game I faced a stress hog bandit Poe a-wing list. All of the ships were pointed at boba and I lost boba real quick. Boneheaded mistake on my part, didn't focus down 1 thing at a time. Defender with evade tokens assigned to it is nice anti-stresshog.

Decoy and Lone Wolf are nice, but Juke would be better.

Going to a store championship this Sunday, going with PS 11 Vader with ATC, Engines, Prockets. Straight to the top of the Agro Crag, no more getting out bid in PS. No more facing PS 11 Vader and having it be a problem, I just autowin the initiative bid and surrender the initiative.

Boba has Engines and Weapons Engineer. Tempted to go Countermeasures on Boba but engines synergizes with bombs better and is the better choice. Countermeasures would save me from a few damage per game at best and so would engines yet engines has more overall utility. Would prefer to be at 96 but any list with PS 10 and 11 in it isn't also going down to 97.

I call this list, "No disintegrations".

Won a Store Championship with Boba sans ion cannon, and a VI ATC Engines Prockets Vader.

It's stupid good, but weapons engineer is getting replaced with Rebel Captive, I boost so often.

What would the Scum version be? K4 on Boba instead of Weapons Engineer, add Glitterstim to Boba, and then use a VI Talonbane with engines and Glitterstim? Not as good as Vader but Boba gets more action economy and Glitterstims.

Must have been a pretty weak meta. Plus you're taking all the nuance and skill out of the game. Anyone can see where all the other ships are and then boost out of arc. I guess having to guess and maneuver are no longer part of the game

What is your Fett build at this junction? It's tough to see where you're at by backtracking through the thread.

Must have been a pretty weak meta. Plus you're taking all the nuance and skill out of the game. Anyone can see where all the other ships are and then boost out of arc. I guess having to guess and maneuver are no longer part of the game

It may not be strictly obvious from this thread, but the OP has a history of railing against excessive post-dial movement as being unfun for the very reasons you state. This particular Boba+whatever list was pretty much built to hard counter all that stuff by doing it even more. Sort of a "beat them at their own game" mentality.

Must have been a pretty weak meta. Plus you're taking all the nuance and skill out of the game. Anyone can see where all the other ships are and then boost out of arc. I guess having to guess and maneuver are no longer part of the game

It may not be strictly obvious from this thread, but the OP has a history of railing against excessive post-dial movement as being unfun for the very reasons you state. This particular Boba+whatever list was pretty much built to hard counter all that stuff by doing it even more. Sort of a "beat them at their own game" mentality.

Exactly.

As I was boosting at my super PS I would say things like, "and a boost because this game is no longer about predicting your opponent and all about having higher PS and boosting." And then I'd laugh as they had no shots on Boba and Vader was range one of something with a procket.

What is your Fett build at this junction? It's tough to see where you're at by backtracking through the thread.

Boba, VI, Slave 1, Extra Munitions, Proton Bombs, Engine Upgrade, Homing Missiles, and weapons Engineer.

Vader with ATC, VI, Engine Upgrade, Proton Rockets. It's 97 points, which beats out all the 98 point bids that other PS 10 players use.

Weapons Engineer is getting replaced with Rebel Captive or possibly another crew like Tactician or Mara Jade or even Bombardier.

Must have been a pretty weak meta. Plus you're taking all the nuance and skill out of the game. Anyone can see where all the other ships are and then boost out of arc. I guess having to guess and maneuver are no longer part of the game

It may not be strictly obvious from this thread, but the OP has a history of railing against excessive post-dial movement as being unfun for the very reasons you state. This particular Boba+whatever list was pretty much built to hard counter all that stuff by doing it even more. Sort of a "beat them at their own game" mentality.

What lists did you fight to the top, PGS? While the list seems solid and mega up on pilot skill I'm either missing something or am underestimating the list since unless one forgets about proton bomb palp aces seems well positioned against it. Granted that requires a modicum of skill in guessing where ships will move since 10/11 moves last but that's not an impossible task I think.

He does have some surprise factor going for him. While people face Vader all the time it's pretty rare to see fett, and I think people underestimate that ship.

PS bidding gets old true but for me it's case by case and here I feel it's warranted and fluffy even.

What lists did you fight to the top, PGS? While the list seems solid and mega up on pilot skill I'm either missing something or am underestimating the list since unless one forgets about proton bomb palp aces seems well positioned against it. Granted that requires a modicum of skill in guessing where ships will move since 10/11 moves last but that's not an impossible task I think.

1st round faced a guy playing his 3rd game or something, he had 3 Interceptors each with hull and Targeting Computer. Actually lost Boba in this fight, didn't expect to lose like 4-5 health in one unmodified Opportunist range one shot but okay. Vader mopped up, had there been autothrusters might have lost. Also at this point in the night I was the least familiar with the build.

2nd game faced a super corran Miranda. Early game got a direct hit proton on Miranda, and my opponent missed by a sliver with a Conner Net and then his own Corran hit it. Eventually he got Vader with one, but I saw it coming and just 3 straighted through it. Corran couldn't regen because he was either ionized or had to hard turn and I killed him, then dumped a procket and range one from boba into Miranda and blew her away. Win.

3rd round faced double Scum Firespray, VI Kath and VI Boba with glitterstim and L4's and EU. Very close fight, 2 health left on Boba and 1 left on Vader, there were some boosts that put boba besides 3 health Kath that ended up with me having a shot barely with my rear arc but my opponent not having one. His list was 98 points, so he was given initiative. I ended up winning by bumping Kath with my PS zero Vader and then cleaning away Kath with Boba's higher PS. Could have gone either way, my list seems like it has trouble with high health, imagine a double turret or Boba Bossk would give me trouble.

4th round faced Daredevil engines Vader with prockets, sensor hammer rec spec echo, and Backstabber. Cleaned this up, PS was real hard for him as I could simply see where he went and react with 1 bank Vader shenanigans. Win.

Cut to top 4, and I faced the DD Vader guy again. This game was much the same, except with the proton bomb wiping Echo. Win.

Finals match, faced 2 Crackshot PtL Green Squadron A-Wings, one with Autothrusters and PtL, and Ten Numb with VI and Mangler. Mangler Numb took 2 shields off Vader, then a Procket one shot an A-Wing, and Boba's rear arc one shot another. Even without the lucky one shots, I think I could have pulled it off, Mangler Numb is really nothing.

There were some more hard core meta builds but I got lucky with pairings. I'm trying to get more games in with it against hard core meta stuff.

As I was boosting at my super PS I would say things like, "and a boost because this game is no longer about predicting your opponent and all about having higher PS and boosting." And then I'd laugh as they had no shots on Boba and Vader was range one of something with a procket.

So not only do you hypocritically play whatever you whine about most ("It's only OK if I do it" mentality), you actively make the game less enjoyable for your opponents. I sincerely hope I never see you across the table. You are the worst type of person.

As I was boosting at my super PS I would say things like, "and a boost because this game is no longer about predicting your opponent and all about having higher PS and boosting." And then I'd laugh as they had no shots on Boba and Vader was range one of something with a procket.

So not only do you hypocritically play whatever you whine about most ("It's only OK if I do it" mentality), you actively make the game less enjoyable for your opponents. I sincerely hope I never see you across the table. You are the worst type of person.

Why don't my opponents just get good and predict where I'll be with my omniscient hypermobility? Pfft, just need to put stress on it and fly less than 97 points.

Remember at the end of Day of the Dead when the evil dictator guy was getting eaten by zombies and he starts yelling out through his bloody mouth, "Choke on them, choke on them!" Well there you go.

Turrets ruining the game? Oh look, quad TLT. Choke on them. You want turretwing? Oh we can play turretwing.

High PS Acewing ships in every list? Oh look PS 10 large ship boost. Choke on them.

I'm done flying normal builds and autolosing. I'm joining the meta now, and I've found a creative and fun list to do it with.

autolosing.

This. This right here is your problem.

Why don't my opponents just get good and predict where I'll be with my omniscient hypermobility?

There's only one person around here who just needs to "get good", and it's certainly not any of your opponents.

Why don't my opponents just get good and predict where I'll be with my omniscient hypermobility?

There's only one person around here who just needs to "get good", and it's certainly not any of your opponents.

I get as sick of PGS' complaining as anyone, but he won. You can dislike that he used an ace list despite many complaints, but you can't say that it wasn't a valid win, unless you're also saying that he's correct and the game is broken and just a PS contest.

Why don't my opponents just get good and predict where I'll be with my omniscient hypermobility?

There's only one person around here who just needs to "get good", and it's certainly not any of your opponents.

I get as sick of PGS' complaining as anyone, but he won. You can dislike that he used an ace list despite many complaints, but you can't say that it wasn't a valid win, unless you're also saying that he's correct and the game is broken and just a PS contest.

If you're making a case for getting your picture in the dictionary next to "negative play experience", pardon me while I don't give two ***** about your win.

Why don't my opponents just get good and predict where I'll be with my omniscient hypermobility?

There's only one person around here who just needs to "get good", and it's certainly not any of your opponents.

I get as sick of PGS' complaining as anyone, but he won. You can dislike that he used an ace list despite many complaints, but you can't say that it wasn't a valid win, unless you're also saying that he's correct and the game is broken and just a PS contest.

Why don't my opponents just get good and predict where I'll be with my omniscient hypermobility?

There's only one person around here who just needs to "get good", and it's certainly not any of your opponents.

I get as sick of PGS' complaining as anyone, but he won. You can dislike that he used an ace list despite many complaints, but you can't say that it wasn't a valid win, unless you're also saying that he's correct and the game is broken and just a PS contest.

I absolutely do not begrudge him his win; he earned it with an interesting list and an oft-maligned pilot and should enjoy it.

I dislike his implication that he only won by "exploiting" game elements he considers overpowered and none of his opponents had a chance because of it. I've never seen such a perfect example of a scrub mentality before in my life.

I misinterpreted your previous post, then.