Rey (Force Awakens Spoilers- (do we still need the warning?))

By Vestij Jai Galaar, in Star Wars: Edge of the Empire RPG

3. When Kylo Ren was interrogating her one of the things he pulled out of her mind was Luke's exact location...

Kylo Ren didn't pull 'Luke's exact location' out of her mind... he tried pulling out her memory of the map - She saw the missing section while on the Falcon - and they had the rest of it (the portion R2 shows...) which they recovered from the archives.

He pulled out the island in the ocean on a mountain.

Where was Luke found?

Please pay more attention...

Also in reference to Rey's missing mother that looked a lot like a grave Luke is standing next to.

3. When Kylo Ren was interrogating her one of the things he pulled out of her mind was Luke's exact location...

Kylo Ren didn't pull 'Luke's exact location' out of her mind... he tried pulling out her memory of the map - She saw the missing section while on the Falcon - and they had the rest of it (the portion R2 shows...) which they recovered from the archives.

He pulled out the island in the ocean on a mountain.

Where was Luke found?

Please pay more attention...

Also in reference to Rey's missing mother that looked a lot like a grave Luke is standing next to.

Inoticed the "grave", too. But it could also be for the death of his dear friend, Han, as a memorial.

3. When Kylo Ren was interrogating her one of the things he pulled out of her mind was Luke's exact location...

Kylo Ren didn't pull 'Luke's exact location' out of her mind... he tried pulling out her memory of the map - She saw the missing section while on the Falcon - and they had the rest of it (the portion R2 shows...) which they recovered from the archives.

He pulled out the island in the ocean on a mountain.

Where was Luke found?

Please pay more attention...

Also in reference to Rey's missing mother that looked a lot like a grave Luke is standing next to.

Inoticed the "grave", too. But it could also be for the death of his dear friend, Han, as a memorial.

If we are still going for the daughter routine, it could be his wife and symbolic death of his new jedi order.

3. When Kylo Ren was interrogating her one of the things he pulled out of her mind was Luke's exact location...

Kylo Ren didn't pull 'Luke's exact location' out of her mind... he tried pulling out her memory of the map - She saw the missing section while on the Falcon - and they had the rest of it (the portion R2 shows...) which they recovered from the archives.

He pulled out the island in the ocean on a mountain.

Where was Luke found?

Please pay more attention...

Also in reference to Rey's missing mother that looked a lot like a grave Luke is standing next to.

In the film, that image (island in the ocean) was noted by Kylo as something that Rey sees in her dreams. Meaning it's not even something she's consciously aware of.

I took that as another indication of Ray's latent Force-sensitivity, and receiving dream-visions of the path that her destiny would take her.

It was also akin to showing someone the front door of a specific house in a state they've never been to, and asking the person to find that house without any sort of maps after you've had them parachute into a random part of that state while blind-folded. Rey knew what the final destination of the trip looked like, but had no idea how to get to that specific front door until the Resistance was able to piece together the full map.

It was also akin to showing someone the front door of a specific house in a state they've never been to, and asking the person to find that house without any sort of maps after you've had them parachute into a random part of that state while blind-folded. Rey knew what the final destination of the trip looked like, but had no idea how to get to that specific front door until the Resistance was able to piece together the full map.

You mean, like having long-term friends of yours wind up moving next door to your house, and not realizing it until a few days after they’ve moved in and when they go out to the mailbox, they see the front door to your house and it looks suspiciously familiar to them?

True story. Happened to me and my wife a couple of years ago, when David and Suzanne moved next door. David had never been to our house before, and there are two ways into our neighborhood and Suzanne had never taken the other way on her previous visits to our house.

9. Buba Fett sold her into slavery as revenge for the whole Sarlacc Pitt thing.

I'm about 99% certain Rey is Luke's daughter. Let's look at the evidence.

  • Right from the start, we know that Star Wars (at least the main movies, as opposed to the upcoming anthologies) is a story about the Skywalker dynasty. Lucas has said so, and Disney has confirmed it. Now, that could mean Ben is the Skywalker in question here, since he is Anakin's grandson, so let's not make any assumptions yet.
  • The lightsaber of Luke and Anakin Skywalker called to Rey, drew her in with the Force. Some have argued that Obi-Wan Kenobi had possession of the weapon longer than either Anakin or Luke, but Kenobi didn't fight with it as far as we know. Not just that, but we know from the Clone Wars series that the crystal of a lightsaber calls to its owner before it's made. (Of course, this could point to the "reincarnated Anakin" theory... but read on!)
  • The vision Rey has is what's most important to this theory. There's a scene in the vision when Kylo and the Knights of Ren are slaughtering the members of the new Jedi Order. Then it cuts to an image of Rey standing in front of them, and we see from Rey's point of view Kylo reaching out to grab her. The scene then cuts to Jakku. Rey is young - six or seven years old - and being dragged off by Unkar Plutt. Rey is shouting for them not to leave her. Who? In the background we see a ship taking off. Did anyone notice how much this ship looked like a First Order transport? It sure did to me! How can that be?

    Well... here's the crux of it all. If she is indeed Luke's daughter, then she does have family members left. Luke. Leia. Ben Solo... aka Kylo Ren. My theory is that Kylo, still hearing the call of the Light (which he admitted to his father), couldn't kill his little cousin. Instead, he abducted her, flew her somewhere off into the Outer Rim, and left her behind. If that is indeed a First Order troop transport (and I think it is!), he's the most obvious culprit. So... either Kylo Ren wiped Rey's mind (something he might be able to do, as he appears to be one of the most powerful mental savants we've seen in the Star Wars universe) or she lost some of her memory due to the traumatic experience of it all. But she knows her family - perhaps her cousin? - dropped her off on Jakku. It also explains why Kylo Ren is so suddenly concerned when he finds out BB-8 and FN2187 have escaped with the help of a girl.

Anyway, there's potentially more to it, but that's what I've got for now.
Edited by Vestij Jai Galaar

I'm about 99% certain Rey is Luke's daughter. Let's look at the evidence.

  • Right from the start, we know that Star Wars (at least the main movies, as opposed to the upcoming anthologies) is a story about the Skywalker dynasty. Lucas has said so, and Disney has confirmed it. Now, that could mean Ben is the Skywalker in question here, since he is Anakin's grandson, so let's not make any assumptions yet.
  • The lightsaber of Luke and Anakin Skywalker called to Rey, drew her in with the Force. Some have argued that Obi-Wan Kenobi had possession of the weapon longer than either Anakin or Luke, but Kenobi didn't fight with it as far as we know. Not just that, but we know from the Clone Wars series that the crystal of a lightsaber calls to its owner before it's made. (Of course, this could point to the "reincarnated Anakin" theory... but read on!)
  • The vision Rey has is what's most important to this theory. There's a scene in the vision when Kylo and the Knights of Ren are slaughtering the members of the new Jedi Order. Then it cuts to an image of Rey standing in front of them, and we see from Rey's point of view Kylo reaching out to grab her. The scene then cuts to Jakku. Rey is young - six or seven years old - and being dragged off by Unkar Plutt. Rey is shouting for them not to leave her. Who? In the background we see a ship taking off. Did anyone notice how much this ship looked like a First Order transport? It sure did to me! How can that be?

    Well... here's the crux of it all. If she is indeed Luke's daughter, then she does have family members left. Luke. Leia. Ben Solo... aka Kylo Ren. My theory is that Kylo, still hearing the call of the Light (which he admitted to his father), couldn't kill his little cousin. Instead, he abducted her, flew her somewhere off into the Outer Rim, and left her behind. If that is indeed a First Order troop transport (and I think it is!), he's the most obvious culprit. So... either Kylo Ren wiped Rey's mind (something he might be able to do, as he appears to be one of the most powerful mental savants we've seen in the Star Wars universe) or she lost some of her memory due to the traumatic experience of it all. But she knows her family - perhaps her cousin? - dropped her off on Jakku. It also explains why Kylo Ren is so suddenly concerned when he finds out BB-8 and FN2187 have escaped with the help of a girl.

Anyway, there's potentially more to it, but that's what I've got for now.

I really hope she isn't a Skywalker, but if they decide she has to be this would be the one of the best ways for them to do it. on the plus side they could retroactively bring in Mara Jade as her dead mother/force ghost and return her to Star Wars cannon ...

Speaking of which, does anyone know why he kept pounding himself where he'd been hit?

I noticed that on the second viewing... maybe it's a Sith technique to assist in focusing...

I'm pretty sure it was because he still felt the pull of the light side even after killing his father and using the pain to fuel his anger/ dark side.

Skip back two pages. He's thumping his chest because he took an abdominal wound and pressure is building in his torso.

I really hope she isn't a Skywalker, but if they decide she has to be this would be the one of the best ways for them to do it. on the plus side they could retroactively bring in Mara Jade as her dead mother/force ghost and return her to Star Wars cannon ...

Michael Ardnt (who wrote the initial screenplays for Episode VII and VIII) talked about how the EU served as the basis for characters in the new movies (so Jacen served as the template for Kylo, and Jaina served as the template for Rey in terms of attitude and appearance). In the interview he mentioned Mara specifically, that the general features of Mara will still be there (red hair, green eyes, fiery attitude, strong in the Force) but the names are all subject to getting played with (like Ben's name being moved from Luke and Mara's kid to Han and Leia's). A specific mention was "Right now they’re looking at using the basic descriptions of EU characters with different names. Luke’s wife will follow the same template as Shira Brie/Mara Jade. Red hair, Green eyes, attitude etc." Moreover, there is the casting of Geraldine James, who is the right age and coloring to be a Mara Jade-type character.

All this points to Luke's wife being in the treatments and early script for Episode VIII (though whether it's via flashback or not is up for debate). I'd say this directly points to a big "Empire" style reveal of "Rey, I am your father."

Skip back two pages. He's thumping his chest because he took an abdominal wound and pressure is building in his torso.

It's probably a combination of the two, with him using that pain to as fuel for his Force powers to keep him going as well as what you cited. How much of either is up to the individual viewer to decide, as I doubt we'll ever get any sort of official answer on the matter.

Oh yeah, mos. def. Kylo's injuries at that point are so severe he literally needs the force to even stay upright. He isn't so much drawing strength from his pain as trying to articulate and focus the dark powers that keep him standing and in the fight at all. that's what I'm trying to say here. If he were actually 'stronger' due to the injuries, he would've won the fight, but Driver I think shows rather nicely how he's barely holding it together in his acting in that scene. Once he loses that focus, it becomes pretty obvious imo. He goes down like a stone :)

I'm about 99% certain Rey is Luke's daughter. Let's look at the evidence.

(lots of good stuff)

Anyway, there's potentially more to it, but that's what I've got for now.

Not only that, but everything points to her being Luke's daughter.

Grew up on a desert planet. Dreamt of leaving, but stayed due to some obligation. Skilled pilot, and something of a tech savant. Called the Falcon a piece of junk/garbage. Han is initially hostile, but grows to like him/her. Han offers him/her a job on the Falcon. Finds a mentor in an elderly man who tells her about the Jedi and the Force and who ends up dying to the bad guy's lightsaber (and that bad guy viewed the mentor as a father who'd failed him).

She basically went through Luke's journey from ANH.

Then there's the other stuff, like the lightsaber calling to her, like it called to Luke and to his father before him. The side glances from Han in the Falcon, much like he did with Luke on the way to Yavin.

And, yes, Kylo knows her. But the fact the he hasn't seen her in 13 years or so means he's unsure. It's not until she pulls the lightsaber to her hand out of the snow and past Kylo that he knows with certainty who she is. ("It is you." from the novelization)

Han and Leia wouldn't recognize her because Ben was sent to train with Luke. They weren't there all the time. It's possible that they never saw Luke's daughter, or they thought she had died with all the other students and so had no reason to believe she could be Luke's child. But, I think that, by the end, Han knew. And I think Leia knew when she met her for the first time on D'Qar--when she greeted her not really as a stranger, but as family with a full-on hug.

But the thing that really deals it for me? Luke's face when he pulls down his hood. There's an intense sadness there for the loss of his friend, which he no doubt felt through the Force. But there's also a melancholy there that seems to stem from seeing Rey. I may be reading too much into Mark Hamill's performance, but that's what I saw each time I viewed that last scene.

I also think that, after turning Kylo's mental probing back onto him, a mental block was released, and she knew who she was. It was never stated audibly, but I think that, by the time she climbs those steps to find Luke, she knows who she is.

I'm about 99% certain Rey is Luke's daughter. Let's look at the evidence.

(lots of good stuff)

Anyway, there's potentially more to it, but that's what I've got for now.

Not only that, but everything points to her being Luke's daughter.

Grew up on a desert planet. Dreamt of leaving, but stayed due to some obligation. Skilled pilot, and something of a tech savant. Called the Falcon a piece of junk/garbage. Han is initially hostile, but grows to like him/her. Han offers him/her a job on the Falcon. Finds a mentor in an elderly man who tells her about the Jedi and the Force and who ends up dying to the bad guy's lightsaber (and that bad guy viewed the mentor as a father who'd failed him).

She basically went through Luke's journey from ANH.

...or Anakin's journey in TPM and she's his reeincarnation. :ph34r:

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I'm not convinced Rey knew who she was when she met Luke. Kylo knows, I think Snoke suspects, and I think Han knew, but I'm not sure Rey realized.

Although when Maz tells her that no one is coming back for her, but there is someone who could Rey whispers "Luke. "So maybe she does, but doesn't quite believe it. Remember, too, she thought Luke was a legend at first.

However, I want to know how Kylo knew when the only thing he was told was that there was a girl. Perhaps that has to do with Snoke's words "There has been an awakening."

And if he could sense that then Rey has tremendous power.

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I'm not convinced Rey knew who she was when she met Luke. Kylo knows, I think Snoke suspects, and I think Han knew, but I'm not sure Rey realized.

Although when Maz tells her that no one is coming back for her, but there is someone who could Rey whispers "Luke. "So maybe she does, but doesn't quite believe it. Remember, too, she thought Luke was a legend at first.

However, I want to know how Kylo knew when the only thing he was told was that there was a girl. Perhaps that has to do with Snoke's words "There has been an awakening."

And if he could sense that then Rey has tremendous power.

That is possible.

After all, the Emperor and Vader both sensed the tremor in the Force that indicated that Luke was starting to come into his own as a Jedi even before he showed up on Dagobah. With Luke in hiding and the First Order on the rise, the Force could still be out of balance, and is taking steps to set things right by nudging Rey to answer the call.

But as you say, Kylo did seem to take extreme interest when that officer indicated there was a girl involved in BB-8 and FN-2187's escape off Jakku. Could be that he wanted to know all the details of who was helping those two, and acted as he did due to coming down off one of his tantrums. He'd already seen enough incompetence from First Order troops in regards to this trio, so it might just be not wanting to overlook anything in pursuit of that map fragment. Or as you suggested, there could be more.

We'll have to wait for Episodes 8 and 9 to find out for certain what Rey's deal is. Though it's probably safe to say that some of the more esoteric theories are probably out; remember that the films are being made to appeal to as broad an audience as possible, and most major movie studios don't think too highly of the average movie-goer's intelligence, and Disney certainly doesn't want another fan-backlash like there was over midi-chlorians.

We'll have to wait for Episodes 8 and 9 to find out for certain what Rey's deal is. Though it's probably safe to say that some of the more esoteric theories are probably out; remember that the films are being made to appeal to as broad an audience as possible, and most major movie studios don't think too highly of the average movie-goer's intelligence, and Disney certainly doesn't want another fan-backlash like there was over midi-chlorians.

This is pretty much like it always happens with anything that has a broad appeal. Fans get hyped and develope in their heads the most intrinsic, deep, well-written plot possible, and then they get a generic so and so thing which disappoints them to no end. By which I don't mean that Episode VII was bad, no. But it was definitely written for a broader audience, and especially for first-time Star Wars watchers. It is an excellent entry point to the franchise, but for us longtime fans it's not deep enough.

They still want to keep the newcomers and appeal to a broader audience, that's why they can't really make Rey not a Skywalker/Solo child because the audience has no connection to other characters like maybe a Kenobi son/daughter who is the mother. For that to work properly, this specific person would have been introduced in EpVII.

I am actually happy, that they won't try to be too creative with these films and stick to oldfashioned but tried and true storytelling. Because we all know what happens, when Hollywood gets too creative with the source material, don't we?

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Some creativity would be good, though. I don't want to go to the theatre and end up predicting the entire movie. Still, I think they'll probably put something in that we won't expect.

Some creativity would be good, though. I don't want to go to the theatre and end up predicting the entire movie. Still, I think they'll probably put something in that we won't expect.

I think we'll see creativity in the remaining parts of this trilogy.

But with Rey, the simplest solution is probably the most accurate one, narrowing it down to her being Luke's daughter (which makes narrative since and jives with the main films being the Skywalker Saga) or simply a Force-sensitive child with no blood ties to the Skywalker clan.

Having her be a Solo paints Han and Leia in an almost hilariously abusive light as negligent parents if they couldn't connect with their own living/sane daughter and instead over-focused on their alive-but-not-quite-sane older son. And while Han and Leia have their faults, I don't think Disney would be one to paint two heroes from the original trilogy in such a negative light.

Some creativity would be good, though. I don't want to go to the theatre and end up predicting the entire movie. Still, I think they'll probably put something in that we won't expect.

For example: The fact that Luke doesn't know he has a child,and that his one-time lover hid her, from all things force on Jakku...

The consequence would be someone telling Luke again something about parenthood, only this time his own. Maybe Luke and Rey run into Luke's old flame and she tells everything...

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I guess one night stands solve the problem of attachment for Jedi... <_<:huh::rolleyes:

I guess one night stands solve the problem of attachment for Jedi... <_<:huh::rolleyes:

No offence, but I just don't get how people always come down to one-night stands with this. Perhaps she was with him and then realized, that she was pregnant and decided, she didn't want the Jedi life for her child and ran away? That seems to be the more reasonable explanation and also more in line with the character of Luke.

Same goes for the Obi-Wan had a one-night stand theory and out came-a poppin a child-a to be-a parent to-a Rey!

I misunderstood your usage of "one-time".

I don't believe Rey is Luke's daughter, for a number of reasons.

First of all, I don't see Luke Skywalker as the sort of person who'd just dump his only child on a harsh, impoverished desert world/battlefield to be "cared for" (and I use the term loosely) by a money-grubbing scavenger king who exploit and practically starves his workers. And as we know from Empire, it's not like he wouldn't be able to use the Force to check up on her from time to time. And that's not even considering that Mrs. Skywalker, whoever she might be, is just as callous and uncaring about her child's welfare.

Second, assuming that Luke's closest friends and family knew he had a daughter (which I'm assuming they would) I don't see them as those kinds of people either. Especially Leia, in my opinion, would not be pleased at the notion of her only niece wasting away in a s#$%hole like Jakku without doing something about it. Her brother's feelings on the matter be damned.

Third, judging by the flashback we saw when Rey was deposited on Jakku, she was clearly not an infant at the time. Sure, she wasn't very old, but she was walking and talking and understood that she was being left behind. Kids at that age are at the very least old enough to know their own surname, so unless we accept the premise that Mr. and Mrs. Skywalker raised their daughter to believe her last name was Antilles or something, she would have known her name was Skywalker. And there would be conversations like this one:

Rey: "Daddy, why are all the people you talk to calling you "Master Skywalker"? Isn't your name Antilles?"

Luke: "Uhh... they're just weird, sweetie. Don't mind them."

Also, the complete lack of recognition in Rey's face when she meets Luke at the end of the movie. Granted people change over time, but I had no problems recognizing Mark Hamill from RotJ all the way to TFA. At the very least there should have been a glimmer of, "Oh hey, you look an awful lot like my dad who abandoned me on Jakku all those years ago. What a coincidence."

Kylo Ren being Han and Leia's son if fine (spoiler alert, I guess...) but I really hope they stop at that. A character isn't only interesting because of who they're related to or descended from. Even Lucas had the sense in the prequels not to try and make Han Solo into the abandoned lovechild of Qui-Gon Jin via retcon. I'd much rather have a character who's awesome in her own right (as Rey definitely is) than because of her family name.