So this thread is to talk about Rey, and also the vision she had when she touched the lightsaber.

It took me three viewings, but I finally was able to remember some of the voices in the background of Rey's vision. Particularly the one I didn't get until my third time was the voice at the end of the vision that intones "These are the first steps." I did hear Obi-wan say "Rey", and there was another voice at the beginning of the vision, but I don't remember what it said.

Rey also says she has flown ships before, but never off planet, something I'd also missed the first two times.....

So what did any of you get out of the vision or Rey in general? (Besides the fact that she's the first potential jedi to arrive with a course in kick-ass already under her belt!)

JJ said he mixed a few voices into the vision. If you're careful you can hear both actors who played Obi Wan's voice as well as Frank Oz as Yoda.

Personally I don't think spoiler is ever needed. I just didn't go to the thread or click on any article until I saw the **** movie. Maybe I just have a Discipline 5 or something....

I had read Yoda's voice is in it, and they dubbed Alec Guiness and Ewan McGregor.

I think Rey is a Kenobi.

I think Rey is a Kenobi.

Via Satine, or a sympathy session with Bo?

There was this thing in legends, where Obi-Wan has a brother. Maybe they gone with that...

But one argument for me against this is that the Star Wars main saga is about one certain name: Skywalker, even if they go under different names like Organa, Solo or anything. I think that Rey is still related to the Skywalker family in some way, but I won't hold my breath. It would be a serious departure for me if she is a kenobi.

Actually I think it's much more likely that Rey heard Obi-Wan because of the strong connection he has to that lightsaber, as well as Yoda. Luke was chugging it around for 4 years after Yavin, during that time a lot of emotions keep hanging on such a device so strongly connected to the force. The kyber crystals are what makes a lightsaber and they are imbued with the force, that hasn't changed in the new canon.

I think Rey is a Kenobi.

Via Satine, or a sympathy session with Bo?

The wounded romantic in me favors the Satine possibility. I doubt they go that way, though. Some previously-undetailed family branch.

(Biggest bummer moment in TCW... Satine's death...)

Of course, there's also something to be said for "the entire galaxy doesn't actually revolve around a handful of bloodlines..."

But we already have the "Skywalker" in this saga in the form of Kylo. So that does leave room for Rey being something else.

I think Rey is a Kenobi.

Via Satine, or a sympathy session with Bo?

I didn't say Ben's offspring.

Pretty clever how they spliced Guiness' line to make it sound like "Rey".

Person opinion is that she's a shoggoth. If only because nobody else suggested it. It could happen, right?

Pretty clever how they spliced Guiness' line to make it sound like "Rey".

Person opinion is that she's a shoggoth. If only because nobody else suggested it. It could happen, right?

I really hate the german dub now.. I heard NOTHING of that.

When will this movie probably be released digitally? Gonna DOWNLOAD IT! LEGALLY!!!!

But we already have the "Skywalker" in this saga in the form of Kylo. So that does leave room for Rey being something else.

Yeah, but not on the hero side. To qualify for that, he needs far more screentime.

Which brings me to a question:

Is anyone going to be really angry and cry "worse than the prequels" about this part of the saga if Rey turns out to be Luke's or Leia's daughter?

Cause I sure won't. And I wouldn't be angry if she's a kenobi either.

Problem with film is it's gotta be for mainstream audiences, so we can't introduce characters from the new EU willy-nilly, becasue that confuses the audience who don't read the EU stuff and thus lowers ratings by the casual viewers. Which is bad for mouth-to-ear propaganda of the film. Film is "Show, don't tell".

So Rey has to be either the daughter of Luke or Leia, or the granddaughter of Obi-Wan, or from somebody entirely unrelated.

Long lost descendant of the Sunrider line?

If I was forced to make a choice with the limited knowledge we have, I'd go with Rey being Luke's daughter.

Problem with film is it's gotta be for mainstream audiences, so we can't introduce characters from the new EU willy-nilly, becasue that confuses the audience who don't read the EU stuff and thus lowers ratings by the casual viewers. Which is bad for mouth-to-ear propaganda of the film. Film is "Show, don't tell".

So Rey has to be either the daughter of Luke or Leia, or the granddaughter of Obi-Wan, or from somebody entirely unrelated.

Quick question, wasn't Poe an EU character? I remember his mom in one of the novels.

But we already have the "Skywalker" in this saga in the form of Kylo. So that does leave room for Rey being something else.

Yeah, but not on the hero side. To qualify for that, he needs far more screentime.

Which brings me to a question:

Is anyone going to be really angry and cry "worse than the prequels" about this part of the saga if Rey turns out to be Luke's or Leia's daughter?

Cause I sure won't. And I wouldn't be angry if she's a kenobi either.

Problem with film is it's gotta be for mainstream audiences, so we can't introduce characters from the new EU willy-nilly, becasue that confuses the audience who don't read the EU stuff and thus lowers ratings by the casual viewers. Which is bad for mouth-to-ear propaganda of the film. Film is "Show, don't tell".

So Rey has to be either the daughter of Luke or Leia, or the granddaughter of Obi-Wan, or from somebody entirely unrelated.

See the thing is ..... I don't need there to be a good and heroic Skywalker. The fact that maybe the Skywalker line might be destined to bring harm overall is just as appealing to me as them saving the galaxy. Actually them being the galaxy's doom is more appealing to me. Would explain why Luke runs away and becomes Hide and Seek champion.

I think Rey is a Kenobi.

Via Satine, or a sympathy session with Bo?

Our game, set just eight years after Revenge of the Sith, has Bo-Katan and a group of Mandalorian commandos Kenobi recruited as one of the first operational detachments of Bail Organa's rebel network. Good call.

Just seems to me if you have a Skywalker falling to the dark side and causing problems, a Kenobi showing up and kicking their @$$ can't be far behind....

Personally I hope Rey isn't related to anyone famous at all. Not every single character has to be a scion of some "established" family in the Star Wars galaxy. If we start going down that path, pretty soon Finn will be Lando Calrissian's long-lost son, and the reason why C-3P0 has a new arm and R2-D2 is shut down is that they took parts of themselves and built their lovechild BB-8.

Personally I hope Rey isn't related to anyone famous at all. Not every single character has to be a scion of some "established" family in the Star Wars galaxy. If we start going down that path, pretty soon Finn will be Lando Calrissian's long-lost son, and the reason why C-3P0 has a new arm and R2-D2 is shut down is that they took parts of themselves and built their lovechild BB-8.

Hence the missing arm.

Personally I hope Rey isn't related to anyone famous at all. Not every single character has to be a scion of some "established" family in the Star Wars galaxy. If we start going down that path, pretty soon Finn will be Lando Calrissian's long-lost son, and the reason why C-3P0 has a new arm and R2-D2 is shut down is that they took parts of themselves and built their lovechild BB-8.

I hope she isn't related to someone special .......but I have my doubts that they won't go that route.

I personally suspect Rey is the long-lost daughter of Luke; reason being when Maz tells her that she knows no one is returning, but someone could Rey says "Luke."

Also, I think Han knew or guessed who she was. When Rey says she didn't know there was so much green in the galaxy, Han gets this regretful/guilty look on his face.

My first thought was that Rey was Kylo's sister, but second and third viewings made me think that she was in fact his cousin.

I strongly suspect we will find out that Kylo Ren and Rey are related in some way.

Long lost descendant of the Sunrider line?

If I was forced to make a choice with the limited knowledge we have, I'd go with Rey being Luke's daughter.

Problem with film is it's gotta be for mainstream audiences, so we can't introduce characters from the new EU willy-nilly, becasue that confuses the audience who don't read the EU stuff and thus lowers ratings by the casual viewers. Which is bad for mouth-to-ear propaganda of the film. Film is "Show, don't tell".

So Rey has to be either the daughter of Luke or Leia, or the granddaughter of Obi-Wan, or from somebody entirely unrelated.

Quick question, wasn't Poe an EU character? I remember his mom in one of the novels.

Well technically he's not, his mom is. Poe's character was established as a new character like Wedge. Not related to anyone,but his parents were mentioned in one of the books yes.

Finn is similar.

Personally I hope Rey isn't related to anyone famous at all. Not every single character has to be a scion of some "established" family in the Star Wars galaxy. If we start going down that path, pretty soon Finn will be Lando Calrissian's long-lost son, and the reason why C-3P0 has a new arm and R2-D2 is shut down is that they took parts of themselves and built their lovechild BB-8.

I hope she isn't related to someone special .......but I have my doubts that they won't go that route.

Finn is not a Calrissian, so much has been said. I personally don't care if Rey's surname is Antilles (the Star Wars equivalent of Miller or Smith) or whatever. Same goes for her lineage.

There are just 2 problems I see with her being from some different family:

1. The developers said that Star Wars is about different generations of a family: Anakin, the (grand)father, Luke the Son plus Leia the daughter and the grandchild/ren. So in order to have a scion from that family with which we can heroically identify it's gotta be Rey. Kylo Ren did not deliver on that for most people because of his whiny attitude, his grandpappy-posing and temper tantrums. He is not a suitable Skywalker to lead us through this next chapter in my opinion.
2. The Marketabillity. I was at a Nerfbattle a few days after the film came out, which was Star Wars themed. Three of the staffwere dressed as Padmé, Leia and Rey respectively. They posed for a generations picture. Pretty much every casual watcher and all those kiddies assumed,that Rey was related to Leia and Padmé. The nature of this relation was quite heavily discussed by them, ages 10 and upwards. Was quite amusing. "No she's Luke's daughter!" "Nuh uhh!"

EDIT: Found this little quote on top of her wookiepedia entry:

"The belonging you seek is not behind you. It is ahead."

―Maz Kanata^[src]

Seems to me as if this means that she won't find her family back on Jakku waiting there,but by going forward. A VERY strong implication, that she might me Luke's daughter, but everything is still open.

Long lost descendant of the Sunrider line?

If I was forced to make a choice with the limited knowledge we have, I'd go with Rey being Luke's daughter.

Problem with film is it's gotta be for mainstream audiences, so we can't introduce characters from the new EU willy-nilly, becasue that confuses the audience who don't read the EU stuff and thus lowers ratings by the casual viewers. Which is bad for mouth-to-ear propaganda of the film. Film is "Show, don't tell".So Rey has to be either the daughter of Luke or Leia, or the granddaughter of Obi-Wan, or from somebody entirely unrelated.

Quick question, wasn't Poe an EU character? I remember his mom in one of the novels.

Well technically he's not, his mom is. Poe's character was established as a new character like Wedge. Not related to anyone,but his parents were mentioned in one of the books yes.

Finn is similar.

Personally I hope Rey isn't related to anyone famous at all. Not every single character has to be a scion of some "established" family in the Star Wars galaxy. If we start going down that path, pretty soon Finn will be Lando Calrissian's long-lost son, and the reason why C-3P0 has a new arm and R2-D2 is shut down is that they took parts of themselves and built their lovechild BB-8.

I hope she isn't related to someone special .......but I have my doubts that they won't go that route.

Finn is not a Calrissian, so much has been said. I personally don't care if Rey's surname is Antilles (the Star Wars equivalent of Miller or Smith) or whatever. Same goes for her lineage.

There are just 2 problems I see with her being from some different family:

• The developers said that Star Wars is about different generations of a family: Anakin, the (grand)father, Luke the Son plus Leia the daughter and the grandchild/ren. So in order to have a scion from that family with which we can heroically identify it's gotta be Rey. Kylo Ren did not deliver on that for most people because of his whiny attitude, his grandpappy-posing and temper tantrums. He is not a suitable Skywalker to lead us through this next chapter in my opinion.
• The Marketabillity. I was at a Nerfbattle a few days after the film came out, which was Star Wars themed. Three of the staffwere dressed as Padmé, Leia and Rey respectively. They posed for a generations picture. Pretty much every casual watcher and all those kiddies assumed,that Rey was related to Leia and Padmé. The nature of this relation was quite heavily discussed by them, ages 10 and upwards. Was quite amusing. "No she's Luke's daughter!" "Nuh uhh!"

Well, Star Wars is all about family battles, so that was part of my reasoning for Rey being a Skywalker. Instead of Luke v. Vader you have Rey v. Kylo Ren.

One of the times I saw the movie you could hear the audience whispering to each other "She's Luke's daughter!" Plus, I think a lot of people would like to see a trilogy about the next generation.

About the vision again, I have still not managed to hear Yoda's voice! But someone at work suggested that I should put the dvd on close caption when it comes out, so that's probably what I'll do to get all the dialogue.....

I personally think Rey was cloned by the Empire from Luke's hand to be their counterpart. However someone internal betrayed them, dumped her on an isolated planet for her own safety and fled. So she's a daughter of Luke, but not one that he concieved.

Very much a sort of throwback to how Sidious gave form to Anaikin. Only unlike he she will make the right choices.

Well, I do happen to know someone who espouses the theory that Rey is a midi-clorian creation like Anakin

I guess we'll see.

Midi-chlorians... when Lucas ripped off Parasite Eve... and turned his mystical energy field into a stupid science project.

Long lost descendant of the Sunrider line?

If I was forced to make a choice with the limited knowledge we have, I'd go with Rey being Luke's daughter.

Problem with film is it's gotta be for mainstream audiences, so we can't introduce characters from the new EU willy-nilly, becasue that confuses the audience who don't read the EU stuff and thus lowers ratings by the casual viewers. Which is bad for mouth-to-ear propaganda of the film. Film is "Show, don't tell".

So Rey has to be either the daughter of Luke or Leia, or the granddaughter of Obi-Wan, or from somebody entirely unrelated.

Quick question, wasn't Poe an EU character? I remember his mom in one of the novels.

Well technically he's not, his mom is. Poe's character was established as a new character like Wedge. Not related to anyone,but his parents were mentioned in one of the books yes.

Finn is similar.

Personally I hope Rey isn't related to anyone famous at all. Not every single character has to be a scion of some "established" family in the Star Wars galaxy. If we start going down that path, pretty soon Finn will be Lando Calrissian's long-lost son, and the reason why C-3P0 has a new arm and R2-D2 is shut down is that they took parts of themselves and built their lovechild BB-8.

I hope she isn't related to someone special .......but I have my doubts that they won't go that route.

Finn is not a Calrissian, so much has been said. I personally don't care if Rey's surname is Antilles (the Star Wars equivalent of Miller or Smith) or whatever. Same goes for her lineage.

There are just 2 problems I see with her being from some different family:

1. The developers said that Star Wars is about different generations of a family: Anakin, the (grand)father, Luke the Son plus Leia the daughter and the grandchild/ren. So in order to have a scion from that family with which we can heroically identify it's gotta be Rey. Kylo Ren did not deliver on that for most people because of his whiny attitude, his grandpappy-posing and temper tantrums. He is not a suitable Skywalker to lead us through this next chapter in my opinion.
2. The Marketabillity. I was at a Nerfbattle a few days after the film came out, which was Star Wars themed. Three of the staffwere dressed as Padmé, Leia and Rey respectively. They posed for a generations picture. Pretty much every casual watcher and all those kiddies assumed,that Rey was related to Leia and Padmé. The nature of this relation was quite heavily discussed by them, ages 10 and upwards. Was quite amusing. "No she's Luke's daughter!" "Nuh uhh!"

EDIT: Found this little quote on top of her wookiepedia entry:

"The belonging you seek is not behind you. It is ahead."

―Maz Kanata^[src]

Seems to me as if this means that she won't find her family back on Jakku waiting there,but by going forward. A VERY strong implication, that she might me Luke's daughter, but everything is still open.

eeeeeh ..... I see why they would do it. I'm just saying not making Rey a Skywalker or tying her to a named character would allow for deeper story development of the character as a whole. Part of my problem with TFA is that it relied too much on ANH to tell it's story and making Rey a named character would, in the long run, exacerbate that issue.

But I would ultimately accept it as they are heavly hinting that she is a Skywalker soooooo

Midi-chlorians? I have nothing against them. I mean, it's only logical that the Jedi, being a monk tradition that has studied it for many years, would devise some way of monitoring it in potential pupils. I just feel that they, like many who despise the term over estimate the value of a single word, a desire to give a terminology to what was previously very vague. No more vague then using parsecs to describe a journey.

Being a scientist, I can accept the term exists, because at the same time there also isn't always a significance associated to numbers. Another example of world building that was unwelcome, thus another reason to keep movie seven to be scarce on many details.