It's obvious you have a bias.

Yeah the whole "to babysit ace wing players" makes it fairly clear that he has an agenda.

I wonder why we always hear complaints about 'acewing' and 'boostwing' but not 'genericwing' or 'swarmwing' or recently 'crackwing'.

Isn't all X-Wing crackwing? Plastic crack wing anyway

I wonder why we always hear complaints about 'acewing' and 'boostwing' but not 'genericwing' or 'swarmwing' or recently 'crackwing'.

Used to hear people complain about how the swarm dominated and needed a nerf, and posts asking what we could do to get the named pilots used by more people.

I wonder why we always hear complaints about 'acewing' and 'boostwing' but not 'genericwing' or 'swarmwing' or recently 'crackwing'.

Used to hear people complain about how the swarm dominated and needed a nerf, and posts asking what we could do to get the named pilots used by more people.

Interesting. That predates my time but is interesting to hear.

That predates my time but is interesting to hear.

Yeah it means as a community we're never happy. When 4-7 generics especially the tie swarm was all anyone played, other than perhaps Han Shot First... people wanted the swarm nerfed and the aces improved.

When assault missiles came out, the sky was falling and the Tie Swarm was doomed...

Now we have complaining because all anyone plays is aces...

Yep. We're never happy.

I wonder why we always hear complaints about 'acewing' and 'boostwing' but not 'genericwing' or 'swarmwing' or recently 'crackwing'.

Used to hear people complain about how the swarm dominated and needed a nerf, and posts asking what we could do to get the named pilots used by more people.

Interesting. That predates my time but is interesting to hear.

Yeah, that was the metagame for Wave III and before.

The shift to ZOMG PS 9 was brought on by the TIE Phantom.

Fat Han was stumbled into because Whisper's 4 agility dice and 3 token potential meant that the TIE Swarm wasn't effective against it, at all.

As Wave II established that TIE Swarms ate Falcons alive, untouchable Aces actually lead to the large-based damage-sinks being uncountered.

A nerf to the cloaking rules improved the odds of non-turreted ships vs Whisper, but doesn't do much for 2 attack ships.

A nerf to the Scoring rules, and the introduction of Autothrusters, improved the odds of Aces vs Turrets, previously their counter.

That, and the introduction of additional aces of varying types, arguably lead to our current metagame.

Is a reroll considered a modify? If not, Howlrunner and Serissu still work.

Is a reroll considered a modify?

Yes it is.

Is a reroll considered a modify?

Yes it is.

Otherwise predator and target lock (among others) would still work and omega leader would not be nearly so good.

Is a reroll considered a modify? If not, Howlrunner and Serissu still work.

1. You can change a dice, such as with a Focus token or Chiraneau's ability.
2. You can reroll a dice, such as with a Target Lock or Howlrunner..
3. You can add a dice result, such as with an Evade token or Advanced Targeting Computer.

Is a reroll considered a modify? If not, Howlrunner and Serissu still work.

There are three different ways you can modify dice:

• You can change a dice, such as with a Focus token or Chiraneau's ability.
• You can reroll a dice, such as with a Target Lock or Howlrunner..
• You can add a dice result, such as with an Evade token or Advanced Targeting Computer.

And Omega Leader stops the defender/attacker she has a Target Lock on from doing any of them.

Also: "a die", "some dice".

Two scenarios:

1. Omega Leader has Talonbane Cobra Target Locked.

Latts Razzi has Omega Leader Target Locked.

Talonbane shoots at Omega Leader. Can Latts spend her Target Lock to use her ability and modify Omega Leader's dice?

2. Omega Leader has Biggs Target Locked.

Kanan Jarrus is nearby within Range 1-2 and has a Focus token.

Omega Leader fires on Biggs. Can Kanan spend his Focus token to use his ability to modify Omega Leader's dice?

Based on Frank's ruling, would you guys agree that the answer is yes to both?

No, she can't stop it, but not because of Frank's ruling. Neither of those things are dice modifications (ie. they are not adding, rerolling or changing dice results). Omega Leader can no more affect them than she can affect Miranda's pilot ability.

I just want to make sure that I have it 100% clear with Kanan and Lattes. Their abilities will still work, and will NOT be blocked by Omega Leader is because:

They are NOT dice modifications.

They are AGILITY modifications. Yes?

So, stuff like "Expose" and such would work as well?

And the bonus question, would Sensor Jammer still work by the defender? I am thinking "no", but I would feel better if I got confirmation. Thanks!

I just want to make sure that I have it 100% clear with Kanan and Lattes. Their abilities will still work, and will NOT be blocked by Omega Leader is because:

They are NOT dice modifications.

They are AGILITY modifications. Yes?

So, stuff like "Expose" and such would work as well?

They're not any kind of "modification" as far the game is concerned; they are just adjustments to the number of dice that will be included in the initial roll. So Kanan, Latts, Miranda, Expose, Zuckuss, etc, etc, etc will all be unaffected by her.

And the bonus question, would Sensor Jammer still work by the defender? I am thinking "no", but I would feel better if I got confirmation. Thanks!

No, it would not. To quote myself and busker, the three different forms of modification that Leader stops are:

Sensor Jammer changes a die, so Leader stops it cold.

Kanan, Latts, Miranda, Expose, Zuckuss, etc, etc, etc will all be unaffected by her.

Guys, guys! I found it! The reason to run Expose we've all been waiting for!

So - who do we believe? Alex or Frank? Seems they need to get their collective heads together and hash this one out. This was an issue last night at our local league night, and I just gave up arguing and said that my opponent could use Papa Palpatine to modify the result if he wanted. I just went right after the Palpmobile and took it off the board so he couldn't use it. Omega Leader is awesome for that sort of thing. Target Lock the Palpmobile with Juke just in case. Buh-bye. After that things were much easier..

That being said, I really want to see this resolved asap in an FAQ. With tournament season upon us (store championships right now), I can only see this coming up again and again..

The latest ruling fits best with how the wording actually is on the cards - Palpatine's effect is that the ship he's on is doing the modifying, as compared to e.g. Howlrunners which is that the ship doing the attacking is the one doing the modifying. So, Howl's effect would fail if Academy Pilot shot at OL, but Palp's works, because Academy Pilot isn't doing the modifying, OGP is. If OGP was the one shooting, Palp wouldn't work.

It's consistent. It needs FAQing, but it's consistent.

There's a LOT that needs FAQing at the moment.

The latest ruling fits best with how the wording actually is on the cards - Palpatine's effect is that the ship he's on is doing the modifying, as compared to e.g. Howlrunners which is that the ship doing the attacking is the one doing the modifying. So, Howl's effect would fail if Academy Pilot shot at OL, but Palp's works, because Academy Pilot isn't doing the modifying, OGP is. If OGP was the one shooting, Palp wouldn't work.

It's consistent. It needs FAQing, but it's consistent.

There's a LOT that needs FAQing at the moment.

I also think that since Frank's response came as a result of following the FFG process for receiving answers to rules questions it carries a bit more weight than Alex's response through less formal channels.

The latest ruling fits best with how the wording actually is on the cards - Palpatine's effect is that the ship he's on is doing the modifying, as compared to e.g. Howlrunners which is that the ship doing the attacking is the one doing the modifying. So, Howl's effect would fail if Academy Pilot shot at OL, but Palp's works, because Academy Pilot isn't doing the modifying, OGP is. If OGP was the one shooting, Palp wouldn't work.

It's consistent. It needs FAQing, but it's consistent.

There's a LOT that needs FAQing at the moment.

I also think that since Frank's response came as a result of following the FFG process for receiving answers to rules questions it carries a bit more weight than Alex's response through less formal channels.

Yeah, I gotta agree with that. Sometimes asking an FFG guy during a conversation may result in a spur of the moment ruling. If you email the question in, it gives whoever gets it a chance to refer to all possible resources and make a more well-informed and well-reasoned ruling.

didn't realize how old this thread was... need coffee, badly. Sorry all.