Tactician and tractor beam?

By nigeltastic, in X-Wing Rules Questions

Patiently awaiting the FAQ update on this... It would be amazing for 4-LOM to shoot at a target in range two to deal a stress via Tactician and then boost them into range one to pass on another stress in the end phase using his ability...

Tactician doesn't say "after you perform a range 2 attack."

You measure after the attack because that's when the effect triggers.

If you attack Valen Rudor with Cluster Missiles and after the first attack, he barrel rolls out to range 3, do you think you'll be able to attack him with the 2nd shot?

Do you think the initial range 2 when you declared the attack is used for the 2nd attack that requires range 1-2?

Actually this brings up another question that might be needed in a FAQ.

If the Attacker (remember, the attacker is defined as the attacking ship) wants to use Tactician against Valen Rudor, what order do the abilities resolve in?

Tactician is after the attack, Valen Rudor is after the defense.

This is the same time. The defense roll has to resolve and finish canceling results and damage is all resolved before the attack is complete.

So can Valen Rudor barrel roll out to range 3, or outside of the firing arc before Tactician range is measured and avoid a stress token?

The answer is: Only if Valen Rudor's player has initiative. Since the two abilities are simultaneous, the player with initiative resolves his ability first.

Now someone is likely going to argue that Tactician is measured during the declare attack step, and that's fine and dandy, the FAQ will straighten it out.

Tactician IS based on the range of the attack. It is part of the trigger.

Second, for multiple attacks you only declare target and thus check range once. So both attacks are at Range 2 even if Vale Rudor moves outside that Range after the first.

Edited by StephenEsven

Now someone is likely going to argue that Tactician is measured during the declare attack step, and that's fine and dandy, the FAQ will straighten it out.

Actually, I don't think Tactician is measured at all. It's the attack that is measured, and if the measurement for the attack meets the criteria for Tactician, then Tactician triggers.

Now someone is likely going to argue that Tactician is measured during the declare attack step, and that's fine and dandy, the FAQ will straighten it out.

Actually, I don't think Tactician is measured at all. It's the attack that is measured, and if the measurement for the attack meets the criteria for Tactician, then Tactician triggers.

Exactly

Now someone is likely going to argue that Tactician is measured during the declare attack step, and that's fine and dandy, the FAQ will straighten it out.

Actually, I don't think Tactician is measured at all. It's the attack that is measured, and if the measurement for the attack meets the criteria for Tactician, then Tactician triggers.

Exactly

Except that's not how it works.

The range of an attack from a ship with a turret could be 2, but the tail end of the ship could be diagonally in arc at range 3. Tactician won't trigger.

or something? I'd have to spend more time looking it up, and right now because of this lousy holiday, I've got extra worries because the store I need isn't opened.

Edited by Vulf
The range of an attack from a ship with a turret could be 2, but the tail end of the ship could be diagonally in arc at range 3. Tactician won't trigger.

It is an attack at range two and it is an attack inside the firing arc. Tactician triggers.

Now someone is likely going to argue that Tactician is measured during the declare attack step, and that's fine and dandy, the FAQ will straighten it out.

Actually, I don't think Tactician is measured at all. It's the attack that is measured, and if the measurement for the attack meets the criteria for Tactician, then Tactician triggers.

Exactly

Except that's not how it works.

The range of an attack from a ship with a turret could be 2, but the tail end of the ship could be diagonally in arc at range 3. Tactician won't trigger.

or something? I'd have to spend more time looking it up, and right now because of this lousy holiday, I've got extra worries because the store I need isn't opened.

Hmm, that is interesting

The range of an attack from a ship with a turret could be 2, but the tail end of the ship could be diagonally in arc at range 3. Tactician won't trigger.

That only counts when using a turret. So short of a YT-2400, you'll always be measuring in arc, and if that's true only the parts that are in arc count.

Now someone is likely going to argue that Tactician is measured during the declare attack step, and that's fine and dandy, the FAQ will straighten it out.

Actually, I don't think Tactician is measured at all. It's the attack that is measured, and if the measurement for the attack meets the criteria for Tactician, then Tactician triggers.

Exactly

Except that's not how it works.

The range of an attack from a ship with a turret could be 2, but the tail end of the ship could be diagonally in arc at range 3. Tactician won't trigger.

or something? I'd have to spend more time looking it up, and right now because of this lousy holiday, I've got extra worries because the store I need isn't opened.

The game makes difference between At range N (like attacking)

and

Within range N (Deployment)

The game makes difference between At range N (like attacking)

and

Within range N (Deployment)