I have searched far and wide on the boards trying to get clarity on some questions that have come up as things are getting more interesting. I have found some old threads that sort of touched on them but I would feel more comfortable if I could get answers in their own thread.

#1 The book has a chart that sells enhanced arms and legs for about a 10000.00 credits. Just the way the other equipment charts have been set up where the price is for one item. Now, in the description it says you need have both legs to get the bonus to your stat. My player states since that since you need two legs the price is for two legs.

I however feel that the table is set up for one item buying and that you would need to spend 20,000 to buy two legs to get the bonus. My reasoning for this is that all equipment charts I can recall are set up for one item price and in a FAQ someone asked Sam if dueling pistols are sold as a pair as they usually are bought as a pair or used as a pair and he said the price is for one. I do not have the books handy here so I am just recalling the general details. I do not believe the description is meant to be read as they sell them as a pair but only you need to have both your legs or arms replaced to get a bonus. Secondly, the system itself only allows stat increases by going thru to the end or near to the end of the tree which suggests the system itself doesn't want easy stat increases that would suggest the expensive cost of 20,000 for a stat increase compared to the cheap 1000.00 credit you can get run of the mill replacement.

#2 The stat bonus provided, say in our case +1 to agility from leg replacements , does it apply to ALL agility skill check including shooting or only ones that would apply when the replacement is used, such as coordination check when crossing a tight rope?

I know they are simple questions but I want to be fair to my players and I value the perspective the board brings, thank you in advance for your help

1. Don't think there is an official answer and at the end of the day your GM, so your rule.

2. Yes, all.

Pretty much what 2P51 said.

I personally think the stat bonus should not be linked to limbs for the reason described - how often do you need both arms or legs replaced? The way I'd handle it if I were running a game is link different options to arm/leg replacements, like allowing for hidden compartments or built in gadgets as part of a single implant. For stat bonus options, I'd go with some kind of module that influences say, adrenaline or it's analogue in whatever species you're dealing with, if you want brawn/agility. Some things like the neural implant for Int is already fine, as you shouldn't be needing more than one of those anyway...

As an upside, that completely circumvents question number 2

I think I will go with my gut and charge the 20,000 and let it give the bonus in all checks. I do believe I am right with the pricing. Unless of course there is an argument that could be made that its the price for 2 legs that I have missed. Thank you for giving me hand

how often do you need both arms or legs replaced?

Well, occasionally. . . .

See, 20,000 isn't that bad then if it cost 6 mill to fix him...

Personally i see it as a 1 time cost of 10,000 credits to boost your stat by 1 through enhancing, augmenting and replacing both your arms/legs. The table is saying for 10k you receive the benefit to your Characteristic. On top of that if you cant benefit from a single of them then why put them in the book as a single item, that would be called out for sure wouldn't it?

What the wording is trying to avoid is a PC who spends 20,000 gets 2 Brawn arms and 2 Agility arms then only fits 1 of each and tries to claim both benefits.

If your wanting more cost to the Cybernetics ensure your using the Rarity rules too, and your well within your rights to say that the outcome of the roll is a Hight Cost for the item. You may even begin negotiations for such a large purchase, where the list price is 10k an NPC may offer it for 15k, let the social encounter begin.

To the point that equipment is sold as individual items; Armour is not a single thing, there are a pair of pants, pair of shoes, pair of gloves etc. tool boxes & med kits are not single things either, a Med Kit is essentially an infinite box of holding for stimpacks. Even weapons come with holsters and straps that are not listed and the weapon itself can be striped down, cleaned and put back together.

Now if your PC's are getting enough credits where 20k is no biggie then sure the price doesn't really matter, and its your group, if everyone ends up happy then thats cool.

also point out to your Player that the 10,000 options are supposed to be obvious too, there is no synth skin covering them and to conceal them would be quite a challenge.

Re reading the book I note the following:

• You get a +1 bonus from having a single arm replaced for 10,000cr. If you get a second arm replaced it MUST be another of the same arm (because they work as a pair) but the bonuses don't stack. So you lose one arm, get a new arm with +1 Brawn for 10,000cr, all good. But if you lose a second arm you either have to pay another 10,000cr and get no further bonus, or go without an arm.

• Cybernetic Legs "must be purchased as a pair" and "the wearer must have both legs replaced to receive a bonus". However in the cost section is specifially says "Cybernetic Leg", singluar, 10,000cr. Compare and contrast to "Cybernetic Eyes", plural. I think it's not presented very clearly, but my read of this is that a pair of legs costs 20,000cr, and you cannot use a single leg for 10,000cr.

Not true, you can just get a much cheaper prosthetic repli-limb for the second missing arm. What the arm is saying is there is no stacking bonuses and there is no +1 Brawn arm and +1 Agility arm, "If" you have both arms replaced.

Ah, hmm, you're right. Re-reading it it says:

"If a character replaces both arms with cybernetic enhancements, he must use the same model, as they are designed to work in tandem. However, the modifiers from both arms do not stack."

I was reading that as any cybernetic arm but you're right, it's specific to "enhancement" limbs. So the second could be a repli-limb no problem. It just means you can only ever get a single +1 from your arms, no matter how you want to combine them.

Good catch, thanks.

They saw the min/maxers coming on that one....

I have don't have an issue with the bonus given. It feels to me that they are saying that that both legs must be replaced with the same enhancement appendage but not that 10,000 is the cost of 2 appendage. What are the chances of losing both legs at the same time? There is also a similar entry about how dueling pistols are sold usually in pairs BUT the cost listed is for one as per the faq.

RICHARDBUXTON I agree there are other items that come with guns but nowhere does it say buying one gives you another gun. Even the medpacs tell you what's in the kit. Having small non essential items included in the price makes sense but not a duplicate of the main item. Straps for guns or stimpacks in a med kit are good but not another separate gun nor another seperate med kit makes sense.

RICHARDBUXTON I agree there are other items that come with guns but nowhere does it say buying one gives you another gun. Even the medpacs tell you what's in the kit. Having small non essential items included in the price makes sense but not a duplicate of the main item. Straps for guns or stimpacks in a med kit are good but not another separate gun nor another seperate med kit makes sense.

But if you buy 2 guns you get the benefit of 2 guns... it needs an answer from the Devs I guess.

I really do think it's as simple as taking the text litterally. Cybernetic Leg (singular): 10,000, Cybernetuic Eyes (plural): 7,500. When they include two or more items in a single price it is specified. Other examples of multiple items sold as one are "Chance Cubes", "Sabacc Deck" and "Extra Reloads", but otherwise it is almost always a single item.

Needing a pair of legs to get the beneift makes sense, having one leg significantly stronger than the other would be really problematic, you'dkeep running in circles and falling over.

Ultimately as the GM it's your call and it sounds like we agree on this, so what I'm presenting to you is the explaination to back up your descision if your players challenge you.

Thank you squirrelsan, talked with the players and it really helped to present the insight shared here and it awesome. You guys are great and ty all again

how often do you need both arms or legs replaced?

Well, occasionally. . . .

That was my favorite show as a kid! The only thing I never quite got was why they showed him in slow motion every time he used his bionics I guess showing him running in double speed just looked too silly. Or something...

That was my favorite show as a kid! The only thing I never quite got was why they showed him in slow motion every time he used his bionics I guess showing him running in double speed just looked too silly. Or something...

I've got the 5 season DVD set and they talk about how they tried undercranking the camera and it looked too goofy at fast speed. Then they saw some old NFL footage in slow motion and loved how it implied power and strength and went with that. So yeah, you're not too far off the mark.

Also, fun trivia of the day: the alien bigfoot that Steve fought? That's Andre` the Giant.

On the subject of the 6 Million Dollar Man...

Patrick Warburton makes everything better!

I've got the 5 season DVD set and they talk about how they tried undercranking the camera and it looked too goofy at fast speed.

You mean, like Benny Hill?

I've got the 5 season DVD set and they talk about how they tried undercranking the camera and it looked too goofy at fast speed.

You mean, like Benny Hill?

Thanks. Now I'm picturing Steve Austin in his red track suit, running double-speed and chasing young women around with the Benny Hill theme going on in the background...

Glad I wasn't the only one...