Well, K-wing and HWK can use TLTactician to spit out two stresses in their arc at range 2

That's bigger than any stress-induction outside of that.

but it's plainly incomparable to stresshog's ability, because instead of 2 at range 2

stresshog says "2 at range 2-3 and 1 at range 1"

YV is just the first ship with rather wide arc that could have been cool.

I was thinking about the K-wing when I was evaluating other stress builds and while its not bad by any means, comparing them 1:1, I agree that the Stresshog is clearly a much better bargain.

If you want a ship that can legit hold its own, you'll want the K

The stress Y is like palp shuttle: it's an upgrade caddie that sucks as a ship (though the lambda does pack 3 dice, a tricky stop and can modify dice

Well, K-wing and HWK can use TLTactician to spit out two stresses in their arc at range 2

That's bigger than any stress-induction outside of that.

but it's plainly incomparable to stresshog's ability, because instead of 2 at range 2

stresshog says "2 at range 2-3 and 1 at range 1"

YV is just the first ship with rather wide arc that could have been cool.

I was thinking about the K-wing when I was evaluating other stress builds and while its not bad by any means, comparing them 1:1, I agree that the Stresshog is clearly a much better bargain.

For stress

If you want a ship that can legit hold its own, you'll want the K

The stress Y is like palp shuttle: it's an upgrade caddie that sucks as a ship (though the lambda does pack 3 dice, a tricky stop and can modify dice

The K-wing does have the advantage of being to actually shoot things out of arc and SLAM (!), but you do pay 5 points for those perks while losing the crucial ability to stress at Range 3. Ships that can double stress is what I was mainly taking into consideration. I do love the K-wing though, both as a bomber and Miranda who somehow ends as public enemy number 1 whenever I fly her.

Anecdotal, but for me the stressbot has the added benefit of an expected damage output of zero so anytime it does damage (which weirdly seems like a lot) it gives me warm fuzzy feelings.

Well, K-wing and HWK can use TLTactician to spit out two stresses in their arc at range 2

That's bigger than any stress-induction outside of that.

but it's plainly incomparable to stresshog's ability, because instead of 2 at range 2

stresshog says "2 at range 2-3 and 1 at range 1"

YV is just the first ship with rather wide arc that could have been cool.

I was thinking about the K-wing when I was evaluating other stress builds and while its not bad by any means, comparing them 1:1, I agree that the Stresshog is clearly a much better bargain.

For stress

If you want a ship that can legit hold its own, you'll want the K

The stress Y is like palp shuttle: it's an upgrade caddie that sucks as a ship (though the lambda does pack 3 dice, a tricky stop and can modify dice

Exactly. What people tend to forget when they call the stresshog the pinnacle of stress ships is that most of the time it gets to stress once on a target it wants to stress if you fly it right. Then maybe another target of opportunity if lucky. And then nothing pretty much.

Don't forget, for every stress you deal you take one in return, and that is a pretty hefty price you pay, options are the following:

a) you might stress a more expensive target than yourself, good job, but it might escape, survive and clear stress a lot faster than you. (seen that, done that)

b) you might see an ace on the opposing side but never get to shoot it. (what happens pretty often)

c) you might see alist on the other side that does not run anything worth stressing. (you are on a tournament and 26% of your list are pretty worthless, congrats)

The Tactician K-Wings or even other double stress tactician combos (with gunner on a Falcon or VT for example) are mostly ships that can do something else too, and pretty well.

Or if you look at rebel captive for instance, the ship that runs it has to do exactly nothing but invest 3 points and it just works on a ship that does its thing and stresses as a bonus. Same thing for Mara Jade (who is unbelievably underplayed and undervalued, she rocked whenever i tried her). And these prevent enemies from using PTL or K-Turns in order to not double stress!

We are also not exactly playing a stresswing meta but still an acewing meta at the moment. Stress ships are not valued a huge lot nonetheless. Yes we started to see some Stresshogs after Worlds of course, where before they were pretty inexistent.

So even if i did agree that the Stresshog is the ultima ratio when it comes to control ships, (which i don't). Shouldn't we be thankful for another option and variation of list that we are able to play and influence the meta with a bit? And that is maybe a much needed counter to said acewing?

If it was not there, PTL aces and Large turrets and whatnot else you crazy people all dislike and whine about would be even more dominant. And then you would do what? complain about them? Cmon, man (or woman) up!

I have also complained before, but then we had a meta that consisted of 2-3 lists exactly, as opposed to pretty much unlimited possibilities nowadays!

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Or if you look at rebel captive for instance, the ship that runs it has to do exactly nothing but invest 3 points and it just works on a ship that does its thing and stresses as a bonus. Same thing for Mara Jade (who is unbelievably underplayed and undervalued, she rocked whenever i tried her). And these prevent enemies from using PTL or K-Turns in order to not double stress!

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So even if i did agree that the Stresshog is the ultima ratio when it comes to control ships, (which i don't). Shouldn't we be thankful for another option and variation of list that we are able to play and influence the meta with a bit? And that is maybe a much needed counter to said acewing?

Player skill will always need to be taken into account and I am not saying that it is impossible to dodge the stresshog. Though I will suggest that if dodging the Range 2-3 arc on a Y-wing is as trivial as you say, the Range 2 front arc on a YT-1300 or YT-49 should be a non-issue for most.

I will also stand by my opinion that point for point the Stresshog is the most efficient stress dealer in X-wing by a long shot for reasons I’ve previously listed, but will happily list again if needed. (This is not to say that it’s the all-around best or deadliest ship available). I am not referring to adding a stress as a “bonus” and none of examples you have provided are quite on the same tier. They require more than one ship, have a range 2 restriction, relies on the enemy choosing to stress itself (Rebel Captive), cannot double stress a target by itself, or have an opportunity cost that is prohibitive.

I won’t argue that there are better ships to deal damage with because that’s not the stresshog’s primary function (Shutting down action dependent ships). I’m not at all upset that you disagree, but would enjoy seeing a ship build you would consider just as good or better than the stresshog and the reasoning behind it if you care to discuss.

“Shouldn't we be thankful for another option and variation of list that we are able to play and influence the meta with a bit?”

This bit I’m not sure is to me since my stance is a wish to see more variety in dedicated stress dealing ships that are at least as cost effective as the ‘hog (preferably for other factions) or at least where the gap in efficiency is smaller.

**Which is I believe is headed our way.