Thanks. While you were posting I was wading through the slang thread. Which, of course, I had never seen before.

That seems like a fun way to put Ys in the game. Now if that stupid boat would get here so I can pick up Most Wanted...

It's a Y-Wing. Out fly it.

also known as "not even once get into 2-3 range arc

sure, bro, cool story

not that cool, it's actually not that difficult to do

the stress god Y requires no luck, but plenty of planning. Throwing some stress on soonts is nice and all, but that Y isn't killing him by itself. You need the rest of your squad to collapse on him, and you need a plan for when the Y takes itself out of the fight simply by flying past your enemy and taking at least 2 turns to 2-turn its way back

really, if you know what a 2-turn looks like, you should have minimal issue shouting "toro! toro!" and dancing around the stiff bugger

El Presidente segnors and says "Ole!"

besides, I thought you'd of all people be happy about the anti-boostwing ship

If only it wasn't another rebel-only thing.

If only it wasn't an autowin

No problems, we're all already accustomed to that. (the only thing that pisses me off greater that rebel biased gamedesign is a rebel biased worlds commenters...)

And as a great fan of Wingman (Sticking it everywhere, be it cobra-ptl list, hwk support troll or anything) I'm not as concerned about the stresshog as an ace-counter.

I'm just concerned that it's JUST_ANOTHER_REBEL_TOY. Although I have every rebel expansion except for Tantive I'm not playing rebels, except for bat-wedge. because he's finally awesome and is a fix for boostwing I'm always ranting about

It's a rebel-only, super points-efficient and not skill-shabby toy.

You pay quarter of your list points and get a mind-defying counter to half of meta. Wow.

Being huge Y-wing fan and even greater fan of BTL Y-wings I've tested the thing even before the TLT hit the meta.

And it was good then. It required some positioning, it could be countered if the ace planned correctly.

Not cheese.

Now it's completely and utterly an auto-include with R2-3 AND not sucking at point efficiency. I've jousted Kihraxez, X and Bs to death with it. Because it's actually a good jouster on it's own.

Add the fact that I try to bring a wingman with me everytime and POW, the thing can k-turn without giving a **** about it's "close to nothing" greens

It takes care of acewing\boostwing? Okay, fine, great! BRAVO!

Is it a pinpoint one-niche tool like PS-altering HWK? Nope.

Is it costly for giving such utility? Nope.

Is it at pasr with other stress\ion control options? Nope.

SHould control be a rebel niche as well? Hell nope.

Rule through fear is Empire motto.

Dirty gaming, intimidation and enforcers are a scum thing.

*puts out the fire at the lower deck

No really, if you get so pissed off by commenters, toys and apparent rebel conspiracies to rule the meta, maybe it's time to go see a shrink.

And i thought i was taking this game too serious sometimes!

Edit: Changed the first part of the post a bit. Think i was a bit too harsh there.

Thanks. While you were posting I was wading through the slang thread. Which, of course, I had never seen before.

That seems like a fun way to put Ys in the game. Now if that stupid boat would get here so I can pick up Most Wanted...

R3-A2 is a unique droid that comes in the Rebel Transport expansion. As for the slang it comes from BTL-A4 Y-wings which were often called Warthogs after the A-10 which it was similar to as BTL-A4 gives Y-wings an extra punch. Now that TLT is out they get even more of a punch but TLT is not necessary for stresshog build. For a Stresshog all you need is the title and the droid.

However the droid is unique so you can only have 1 stresshog in your list. Expect it to get prioritized for all enemy attacks.

Sigh...

Warpman, do you even play the game? You don't seem to enjoy it at all.

Inedeed.

And by far the greatest thing about our local meta is that it doesn't copy world lists.

Our rebels still try to use PWTs, although VI poe has become mainstay in every list

We have dedicated Whisper fan, who still rocks even after the nerf.

Jesus, last local tourney had no copy-paste lists. 23 completely different lists.

BBBX YYYY AA2400 3700 IG4000 KKK, 3Amigos, Palpmobile, Omegaswarm, Howlswarm, DashHorn, Deci-Whisper, YY+Fett

that was great.

guess what happens now?

the K-wings have shipped, and it's getting worse by the weekend we play.

diversity of lists went down to Palpmobile, Crackswarm, IG4000 and 3 variations of rebel TLT-stress lists.

and it's getting worse.

I'm the last S&V player in the area. 3 others spit on it and went full rebel. "Because you lose nothing but gain a counter to half of lists" is the reason I heard yesterday. And I';m afraid he's too **** right.

Field tests of "S&V B-wing" have show it to be not competitive in current situation, Inquisitor has already been labeled "Lol PS8" by our imp players, and I just doubt Dengar will be a metabreaker who shall even reach the power levels.

It was better when rebels composed only half of players. S&V pushed them to 2\5 of players but now they compose 3\5 and the tendency isn't going to change in the meantime.

So your meta changed?

So your meta changed?

Yep, it's degrading in diversity and fast.

There's a FAT LINE between meta shifts and meta avalanches.

MoV calculation shifted the meta

Palpatine shifted the meta

S&V shifted the meta

Crackshot shifed the meta

but rebel stress control just dumped too many things at once. rapidly.

it's not the situation when players alter their favourite lists to use new toys or counter them

they just quit their lists and start playing rebels of tie swarms.

no matter how annoying and dumbly overpowered boosting PWTs were, you could have blocked them, you could have taken a couple TLTs to bog them down through their shitton of tokens.

But the "pine tree formation" K-wings or Regen-Poe\RegenHorn+StressY isn't something you can deal with.

Unless your opponent made a huge mistake, he WILL get this stress onto you.

Because ot the thing I've even stopped using IG-C and Adv sensor.

It's now stressers in 3\5 players lists. And bringing that thing down or even tearing that TLT off it is impossible due to new damage deck!

Worse than that, this thing packs a punch greater than Kihraxz, T-65 and B-wing.

STRESS, STRESS EVERYWHERE, and you can do nothing about it.

*loads Mangler cannon* It's nowhere left to hide.

Inedeed.

And by far the greatest thing about our local meta is that it doesn't copy world lists.

Our rebels still try to use PWTs, although VI poe has become mainstay in every list

We have dedicated Whisper fan, who still rocks even after the nerf.

Jesus, last local tourney had no copy-paste lists. 23 completely different lists.

BBBX YYYY AA2400 3700 IG4000 KKK, 3Amigos, Palpmobile, Omegaswarm, Howlswarm, DashHorn, Deci-Whisper, YY+Fett

that was great.

guess what happens now?

the K-wings have shipped, and it's getting worse by the weekend we play.

diversity of lists went down to Palpmobile, Crackswarm, IG4000 and 3 variations of rebel TLT-stress lists.

and it's getting worse.

I'm the last S&V player in the area. 3 others spit on it and went full rebel. "Because you lose nothing but gain a counter to half of lists" is the reason I heard yesterday. And I';m afraid he's too **** right.

Field tests of "S&V B-wing" have show it to be not competitive in current situation, Inquisitor has already been labeled "Lol PS8" by our imp players, and I just doubt Dengar will be a metabreaker who shall even reach the power levels.

It was better when rebels composed only half of players. S&V pushed them to 2\5 of players but now they compose 3\5 and the tendency isn't going to change in the meantime.

Great thing about your meta is there are no copy paste lists.

Goes on to describe netlists.

Complains about K-Wing.

4x Y, and triple K in the old meta wasn't an issue before the K-Wing then? Weird.

Look Scott, I'm sorry no one at the shop likes you and won't play with you anymore, but this is exactly why.

note: Not sure if he is the same Scott, but he acts just like him. Incidentally, Scott, if you're reading this, please don't be offended. We just don't like you, that's all.

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I've seen the people test a hundred variations of these lists. Build them in every variation possible, and in the end coming almost to the netlist squads.

Almost is the word. Sorry for you, if you can't think outside labels and consider eveкy player a copycat by default.

When there were just a couple people with enough TLTs for the list it wasn't enough to scare PWTs to hell.

Now it is

There were just 2 rebel transports (because they are ugly)

now it's either there or is shipping.

because of all that Jouster-lists were present, imperial and scum aces still existed.

Not any more, it seems.

S&V YYYY is a list that is a hard counter, but has equal amount of hard counters, if you don't see the difference... lol

Rebel YYYY does unspeakable things to aces S&V YYYY fears like hell.

I call that game design issue.

If only I knew who's Scott and where he lives.

I've seen the people test a hundred variations of these lists. Build them in every variation possible, and in the end coming almost to the netlist squads.

Almost is the word. Sorry for you, if you can't think outside labels and consider eveкy player a copycat by default.

When there were just a couple people with enough TLTs for the list it wasn't enough to scare PWTs to hell.

Now it is

There were just 2 rebel transports (because they are ugly)

now it's either there or is shipping.

because of all that Jouster-lists were present, imperial and scum aces still existed.

Not any more, it seems.

S&V YYYY is a list that is a hard counter, but has equal amount of hard counters, if you don't see the difference... lol

Rebel YYYY does unspeakable things to aces S&V YYYY fears like hell.

I call that game design issue.

If only I knew who's Scott and where he lives.

You are the Scott, Warpman. You will always be the Scott.

Your ideas are so convoluted that it's hard for anyone to get what you're saying. You argue against TLT, but then when it's revealed that TLT was in fact present in your meta, then suddenly the scope of the situation changes. Well TLT wasn't that bad when it was like this, blah blah blah.

You rail against FFG for actively stewarding their game, and yet when it's your turn to give out ideas, all you do is shoot other peoples down.

So you're telling me that rebels can run 4 TLT better? Okay, sure. Thanks Scott. One Rebel TLT can have R3-A2. You get Kavil. Still sore?

So all your friends packed it in and started playing something else? **** dude, those betrayers betrayed you!

I think this might not be the best way to continue the discussion in this topic.

I'm sorry to derail the thread, but I knew when I posted here on page 1 that SOMEBODY would eventually show up to flip tables about Rebel regen and stress control.

I just have no sympathy. It reminds me of when I was 20-something and thought I knew everything. I was very unliked. But you know, you see things in other people, and they piss you off, it's probably because they remind you of yourself. Point being, I was a snot nosed kid too, not sure what snapped me out of it (middle age maybe?) and so when I see someone constantly backtracking and coming up with excuses instead of admitting they were wrong, I get a little miffed. I also have a problem admitting my errors, so I'll take this moment to admit that I don't have all the answers.

But what I do know is this: X-Wing is just a game. If someone is being driven to the levels of dissatisfaction that Warpman expresses, then they clearly need to move on. Take a good look at the real issues in their lives that cause them to get so worked up over a game and take steps to improve.

This build was a thing that sprung up completely during the time I wasn't playing, so might some kind folk clue me in to exactly what the "Stresshog" build is?

I've seen the people test a hundred variations of these lists. Build them in every variation possible, and in the end coming almost to the netlist squads.

Almost is the word. Sorry for you, if you can't think outside labels and consider eveкy player a copycat by default.

When there were just a couple people with enough TLTs for the list it wasn't enough to scare PWTs to hell.

Now it is

There were just 2 rebel transports (because they are ugly)

now it's either there or is shipping.

because of all that Jouster-lists were present, imperial and scum aces still existed.

Not any more, it seems.

S&V YYYY is a list that is a hard counter, but has equal amount of hard counters, if you don't see the difference... lol

Rebel YYYY does unspeakable things to aces S&V YYYY fears like hell.

I call that game design issue.

If only I knew who's Scott and where he lives.

You are the Scott, Warpman. You will always be the Scott.

Your ideas are so convoluted that it's hard for anyone to get what you're saying. You argue against TLT, but then when it's revealed that TLT was in fact present in your meta, then suddenly the scope of the situation changes. Well TLT wasn't that bad when it was like this, blah blah blah.

You rail against FFG for actively stewarding their game, and yet when it's your turn to give out ideas, all you do is shoot other peoples down.

So you're telling me that rebels can run 4 TLT better? Okay, sure. Thanks Scott. One Rebel TLT can have R3-A2. You get Kavil. Still sore?

So all your friends packed it in and started playing something else? **** dude, those betrayers betrayed you!

If I'm Scott, you're definielty Irish. In a comical sense of it.

Unless you start reading it won't be making sense.

Healthy meta is a diverse meta.

It's exactly what's wrong.

Synthetic "not yet shipped in vast quantities" situations where TLTs aren't everywhere and not every even list is a rebel-stress list is a GOOD meta.

And I'm saying it got worse when every player got a ton of it and it's now EVERYWHERE.

It's even hilarious, when the swiss-sys tournament gets to the point where there are 2 mirror matches between rebel players. And you know you're getting to fly against the same goddamn list twice in a row, albeit against different players.

I'm against shepherding meta using bulldozers. Meta must SHIFT from one edge to another, not abruptly break and re-form in such a matter, losing the diversity.

Yeah, Kavil. except for he doesn't FIT INTO YYYY AT ALL.

and isn't a 26-point tool of "get something into arc to ruin it;s day"

Sure thing, Kavil. Don't make me laugh.

You seem to be blind, right?

Well, sorry for that, if you can't find the spot I'm pointing you at

meta_becomes_completely_not_diverse

rebels_freaking_everywhere

maybe I'll copy it in BOLD so that you can read it.

meta_becomes_completely_not_diverse

rebels_freaking_everywhere

now you can keep the "scott" jokes whatever they are meant to be.

Wow. I mean I can certainly see the utility, that's for sure. But the nerf already exists. It's called "Outmaneuver".

This build was a thing that sprung up completely during the time I wasn't playing, so might some kind folk clue me in to exactly what the "Stresshog" build is?

Y-Wing (cheap)

BTL-A4 title

TLT turret

R3-A2.

Declare attack with primary, get a stress to inflict a stress.

Declare attack with TLT, get a stress to inflict a stress.

Attack the second time with TLT (no declaration, so no stress dealing)

Maximum of four damage, but that is almost inconsequential compared to the 2 unavoidable stress you inflict on your target.

It truly instills on people the size of a range 3 arc.

Well Scott since you insist, I must oblige.

I get what you're saying I really do. But I'm tired of it.

I play at a shop with only 2 other Rebel players. Everyone plays Imps. So my meta tells me that Arc Dodgers are better than Rebel Regen. I could cite anecdotal evidence to support my claims as well.

Did I flame every thread every chance I got complaining about how OP The Phantom Was or that Swarms Are Boring? When I donned my oxygen tank did I ***** and moan about Rebs?

No, I asked questions. I played more.

Here is a thought. No one here cares what you, or I, or anyone else for that matter, thinks about X-Wing. It sounds to me like you don't like the way your local scene is going and you think FFG is responsible through some Honourable Game Code for filling your tables with TLT. Well the facts are it's not. Maybe, just maybe, the players who have switched factions have done so because that's what they want to do with their time. Perhaps the meta shifted because people wanted to try something new? So who are you to come on here and tell everyone they're wrong?

You can go right ahead and play X-Wing however you want Warpman, and no one can interfere with your enjoyment of that except you. Just remember that this is how everyone feels. I don't care that you think you have good reasons for your opinions. You're not a paid game designer.

Y-Wing (cheap)

Wait so does the TLT 'declare' its target once or twice?

Wait so does the TLT 'declare' its target once or twice?

With a TLT, as with Cluster Missiles, you perform the same attack twice, declaring only once (if you'd declare twice, you'd've been able to choose different targets).

R3-A2 works only upon declaring a target.

Just remember that this is how everyone feels.

Speak for yourself. Or rather, in this case, don't speak at all because it is not helping the discussion. All the more so since we can all set our timers to Warpman's reply.

Y-Wing (cheap)

Is there a clear reason not to choose Horton Salm for stresshog duty?

The pricetag. I do love that in epic, though.

Just remember that this is how everyone feels.

Speak for yourself. Or rather, in this case, don't speak at all because it is not helping the discussion. All the more so since we can all set our timers to Warpman's reply.

15 minutes later and wall o' text? Pah!

What I had meant by that Dag, was that most of us here quite enjoy the game and that when we don't we know how to deal with it like adults.

Lol. Anyways, I'm just tired of reading through all of it thinking there will be some sense. I had my say I think I'm good now. I know ignoring them works too, but I feel like every once in awhile I just have to pinch one. Just to be sure that it's a real troll. He could be a sad panda in disguise you know. That often happens to sad pandas that are neglected long enough. They get green and grumpy and start eating poorly.

I know how you feel, I'm guilty of that somewhat myself, reacting to Paragoomba the way I sometimes do. But thankfully he is in control enough to ignore that. And I'm in control enough not to make it too personal.

Y-Wing (cheap)

Is there a clear reason not to choose Horton Salm for stresshog duty?

Since the ship is so easy to kill it's not great to stick more points into it