rules for upgrade cards state you cannot have two upgrades of the same name on a single ship.

I think the Venator is likely. Thanks to Rebels, FFG can include them without breaking their "no prequel" rule, thus partially satisfying the Clone Wars crowd while keeping us firmly rooted in the civil war. Like the Liberty, the Venator makes too much sense. It would probably be a medium sized base at the largest.

It's not FFG's "no prequel" rule. That comes down from upon high. Disney/LFL put a restriction out on prequel stuff.

Oh what fun that could be!

The Rebel version is more fighter centrist, as their fighters have the ability to take off and land without a support frame, whilst the Imperial version is more ship-to-ship but still has a fighter doctrine.

I wonder how the Empire would refit the Venator for TIEs, like close off the dorsal deck, armor it up, and rework the internals for launch racks?

Well according to the new canon, TIE's can land on their wings. Bugs the crap out of me, but then I'm old school and believe TIE's need a landing rack. With all the left over Venator's the Empire probably wouldn't need a dedicated Escort Carrier. The Venator can carry over 420 clone wars era fighters. I hate to think how many TIE's that would work out to. Over 500 atleast,

TIEs could always land on their wings ... i case of an emergency.

And we dont know how many Venatros survived the clone wars, they saw pretty intense fightings and we saw many lost. Further escort carrier are often needed when you dont want to maintain a whole battlecruiser (or star destroyer/battleship), espaccally in the outer regions where we see most escort carriers.

The 3.2km figure was the only one I could find volumetric estimates for.

(3.2)^3 divided by (1.2)^3 equals 12.37 - so a 1.2 km Home One would be small - just not quite as small as a Venator.

Given that the Venator is still larger than the Victory - it should have in-between Victory and Home One's number of hit points.

Since both are the same (8) I don't think the Venator needs more than that - a 9 HP Venator might be a bit much.

If anything the Victory should have more HP considering it was more heavily armored than the Venator. The Venator had that long flight deck in the front, which I imagine might have been a hindrance in ship to ship combat.

The Venator is also described as fraglie (compared to Imperial- and Tector classes although).

The Venator is also described as fraglie (compared to Imperial- and Tector classes although).

I think that would make sense, the thing has ventral, dorsal, port and starboard hangar bays with blast doors, all are structural weaknesses.

The disposition of firing arcs (and dices) is also an interesting dilemma to think over. In Ep III, Venators can be seen exchanging broadsides with CIS ships. In the Clone Wars series, they also do long range firing from the front, most notably when chasing the Malevolence.

I think by making the side arcs wider than the frontal one, the ship would bring a nice variety to usual Imp tactics. Like, constantly trying to double-arc a target to maximise effectiveness, instead of just going forward.

What makes you think the Immoblizer in Rebels is bigger then the one in Tarkin?

And yeah pretty much every GCW or TCW era Interdictor has been made canon.

What makes you think the Immoblizer in Rebels is bigger then the one in Tarkin?

They said in the Trivia gallery for the episode that it's much larger than previous depictions:

http://www.starwars.com/tv-shows/star-wars-rebels/stealth-strike-trivia-gallery

And the reference in Heir to the Jedi to Immobilizer production being discontinued in favor of Star Destroyers with gravity wells, did suggest to me that the (according to Sabine, new and experimental) Rebels Interdictor, was one such new-model Interdictor Star Destroyer.

I'll take a venator with squadron 5, expanded hangers and Tarkin.

And a **** ton of ties

Go check out DA's Custom Card thread . Among zillions of other projects, we have handled the Venator, as well as a host of other GAR starships and squadrons. If you dig through the thread, we've developed a fair number of versions, including Clone Wars versions where it was state of the art, and later GCW versions that reflect its relative loss of power against newer warships. A minor quibble you might have with ours is that we made the decision to make it a Large ship, and give it 9HP. You are of course welcome to peruse the thread at your leisure.

What's GAR?

Go check out DA's Custom Card thread . Among zillions of other projects, we have handled the Venator, as well as a host of other GAR starships and squadrons. If you dig through the thread, we've developed a fair number of versions, including Clone Wars versions where it was state of the art, and later GCW versions that reflect its relative loss of power against newer warships. A minor quibble you might have with ours is that we made the decision to make it a Large ship, and give it 9HP. You are of course welcome to peruse the thread at your leisure.

What's GAR?

Grand Army of the Republic, i.e. the Republic military during the Clone Wars

Go check out DA's Custom Card thread . Among zillions of other projects, we have handled the Venator, as well as a host of other GAR starships and squadrons. If you dig through the thread, we've developed a fair number of versions, including Clone Wars versions where it was state of the art, and later GCW versions that reflect its relative loss of power against newer warships. A minor quibble you might have with ours is that we made the decision to make it a Large ship, and give it 9HP. You are of course welcome to peruse the thread at your leisure.

What's GAR?

Grand Army of the Republic, i.e. the Republic military during the Clone Wars

And that includes the Navy? That must annoy real life army types!

Go check out DA's Custom Card thread . Among zillions of other projects, we have handled the Venator, as well as a host of other GAR starships and squadrons. If you dig through the thread, we've developed a fair number of versions, including Clone Wars versions where it was state of the art, and later GCW versions that reflect its relative loss of power against newer warships. A minor quibble you might have with ours is that we made the decision to make it a Large ship, and give it 9HP. You are of course welcome to peruse the thread at your leisure.

What's GAR?

Grand Army of the Republic, i.e. the Republic military during the Clone Wars

And that includes the Navy? That must annoy real life army types!

The USAF started as the USAAC - United States Army Air Corps. And considering how integrated clones were into ship crews and serving as on-board soldiers, it wouldn't make sense to have two completely different command structures.

The USAF started as the USAAC - United States Army Air Corps. And considering how integrated clones were into ship crews and serving as on-board soldiers, it wouldn't make sense to have two completely different command structures.

Really though isn't this more like navy and army than air force and army? Historically, navies and armies have been separate organisation, albeit it with soldiers from the army stationed on ships sometimes (and of course marines). And of course, navies have their own planes (which would equate to fighters in Star Wars Land). And people do always say that Star Wars battle is based on the First World War.

I would say 40k is based on WWI (at least the Imperial Guard), but Star Wars forces are far too mobile. The naval battles, yeah. Giant ships hammering away at each other has WWI all over it.

Remember that WWII did have gun on gun naval engagements in the Atlantic and Pacific. More so these become more complex when carriers fought against one another with squadrons.

Star Wars is a blend of WWI Naval Combat and WWII Naval Aviation.

With that said, the Venator stock should be geared towards being a carrier...squadron 5 AT LEAST!

As ISDs (an evolution from the venetor more than anything) contain within them an entire Battalion (10,000) of stormtroopers and associated support vehicles (AT-ST, AT-AT, Landing craft, prefab bases etc) the structure of the Imperials is most like the US Navy/Marines.

They are a expiditionary fighting force staged from ships in space, with all their support facilities onboard. Each ISD has its own air support, ground assault, Naval gunfire support and command and control facilities. Its an entire Carrier and marine strike group in one. All self contained and self defending, with the only real strategic weakness being the exhorbatent expense in resources and manpower involved.

(Seriously, a MC80 runs with a crew of about 5-8,000, an ISD is 38,000. They are comparable in ship to ship firepower, but the ISD can hold a planet by itself, a Mon Cal cannot)

As ISDs (an evolution from the venetor more than anything) contain within them an entire Battalion (10,000) of stormtroopers and associated support vehicles (AT-ST, AT-AT, Landing craft, prefab bases etc) the structure of the Imperials is most like the US Navy/Marines.

They are a expiditionary fighting force staged from ships in space, with all their support facilities onboard. Each ISD has its own air support, ground assault, Naval gunfire support and command and control facilities. Its an entire Carrier and marine strike group in one. All self contained and self defending, with the only real strategic weakness being the exhorbatent expense in resources and manpower involved.

(Seriously, a MC80 runs with a crew of about 5-8,000, an ISD is 38,000. They are comparable in ship to ship firepower, but the ISD can hold a planet by itself, a Mon Cal cannot)

That was a fantastic way to break that down sir.

Also....I'm finding it very hard to resist buying a Venator from shapeways...

No prequel garbage thanks.

No prequel garbage thanks.

RotS was at least watchable, c'mon.

And the Empire used Venators in its early years, so I'd like to see them in Armada eventually.

No prequel garbage thanks.

RotS was at least watchable, c'mon.

And the Empire used Venators in its early years, so I'd like to see them in Armada eventually.

According to new stuff coming from the mouse, they are in the GcW

Hell FFG has them guarding stuff on the way to Endor.

I'm looking forward to the Acclamator-class myself. Dunno why, but I like that ship. Then again, I don't think it's currently cannon. You never see one in the prequels, and did it ever show up in Clone Wars? I know it was in Rebel Commando, but that counts for nothing. Always been a fan of the Venator, too. It's a shame about Dinsey clamping down on Clone Wars stuff. I've always thought it would be great of FFG to do things Flames of War style - have Early War (Clone Wars), Mid War (GCW) and Late War (FA-era). You can use early ships in a late game, but their point cost is lower because they're crap by comparison.

I wonder if they'll bring back things like the Carrack cruiser or Corellian gunboat. Hell, I even think the Interdictor cruiser is non-cannon at this point, unless it's been in one of the new books. And didn't there used to be a dedicated escort carrier for the Imps? I seem to remember one from the Rebellion video game. That'd be an interesting one - a ship with a lot of HP, very little maneuverability or offensive firepower, but plenty of room for squadron upgrades and a high squadron value.

The Acclamator appeared in Episode 2. It was the ship the clones were loading onto when Obi-Wan first saw the army on Kamino