I love the Defender fix, they really learned from CR. They realized that just filling the slots and reducing cost kills those slots, so they created a really good incentive to use that cannon by hypercharging it with awesomeness!

I love the Defender fix, they really learned from CR. They realized that just filling the slots and reducing cost kills those slots, so they created a really good incentive to use that cannon by hypercharging it with awesomeness!

And I suspect HLC builds will see a revival as wellonce we see the full text of Attani Mindlink.

Vessery uses tractor beam to fling his target at another ship to hit it with ruthlessness, twice, while ion locks down the 'wrecking ball'

Uhhh that's dirty. Really really dirty.

In a previous thread about Imperial Veterans. Here is the Defender list I am planning to abu...er use.

The "DVD"

Vessery (TIE/D, Ruthless, Tractor Beam)

Delta (TIE/D, Ion Cannon)

Delta (TIEx7)

Think about it. :-)

I have been waiting for this moment since Wave IV. Trips are back.

I think the x7 Delta might be the best small ship in the game right about now. Maybe it's just my play style but that thing is absolutely going to be enormously important.

TBeam token, then Ion token....there are control lists, and then there are control lists.

In a previous thread about Imperial Veterans. Here is the Defender list I am planning to abu...er use.

The "DVD"

Vessery (TIE/D, Ruthless, Tractor Beam)

Delta (TIE/D, Ion Cannon)

Delta (TIEx7)

Think about it. :-)

that's the exact list (more or less, not ruthless enough to use ruthlessness) I used around christmas/new year. so, I accuse you of netlisting and general trolling;

Good Sir, I challenge you to a duel!

just kidding, of course (spent too much time and effort in the netlisting-thread)!

still, it flies really well, IMO, and that was before the full tractor-shenanigans. my fear is/was with ruthless and how it affects me flying the squad (therefore, it was crackshot+2xtiemk2 for me). now, flinging around the other guy makes ruth' appealing, doesn't it?

"here, have a trac-token. and I'll move your guy right over here.. oh, and a damage for his pal too while we're at it. hmm.. I still have the main-gun; I wonder, what if I..."

speaking of: REALLY thinking about 2 defenders+x with both having trac+ruth' now .. maybe with the glaives...?

Nice list OP, looks nasty.

I proxied the /D vess with ruthless just the other day but forgot to trigger it on the second shot each time the entire first game. Its a savage EPT on the defender and now with T beams its gonna be a combo that effects your opponents play until dealt with.

I do have to wonder if the third delta wouldn't be better off as a lambda with baffles, ion and either vader or maybe even rebel captive.

Guide to making a KeneticOperator List....

Take ship

Ace in above noted ship

x2 generics in noted ship

???

Profit? Shenanigans

If the goal is abuse I stand by this previous list I cooked up which is now even more effective thanks to the revealed TB rules:

- 1x [40] Colonel Vessery (35) + Tie/D (0) + Tractor Beam (1) + Ruthlessness (3) + Twin Ion Engine Mk.II (1)

- 3x [20] Omega Squadron Pilot (17) + Ruthlessness

enemy list gives you stress.

Surprisingly, not so much an issue.

The white K-turn is still a thing, so being stressed doesn't have too large an impact on your ability to maneuver, and neither the x7 title or Vess's ability require actions, so you don't lose access to your gimmick, either.

It seems counter-intuitive given how poor the Defender's greens are, but this might be one of the more stress-resistant lists out there.

I absolutely hate playing against defenders with my control variants even without mk2 engined they basically go wherever they want, and Vessery can still scoop up target locks when stressed, you nailed it brother

Now, haven't we learned that only KineticOperator can fly KineticOperator's wacky builds?

No, it just takes practice. Lots and lots of practice.

You can run the OP list with one copy of Imp Vets if you own two Defenders correct?

When it drops, I'm probably going to pick up 2 copies of Vets but trade away one Defender with a copy of the titles. Only need three Defenders but would like a total of 4 bombers. Just wish bombers actually fit on the Gonzo.

Now, haven't we learned that only KineticOperator can fly KineticOperator's wacky builds?

No, it just takes practice. Lots and lots of practice.

You move Delta x7 over speed 3 to get a bonus evade so it becomes the leader/blocker.

You shoot with Vessery, hit with TB and move ship into range 1 of its own ships and then Ruthless it, then shoot it with your Primary and Ruthless it again (easier with -1 agi).

Delta D shoots Ion to lock ship's maneuvering (while adding another point of damage on and easier to do with -1 Agi), and then shoot it with primary (if it is even alive it will be taking much damage by this point)

Delta 7 now goes and can shoot the TB ship but most likely will target what ever ships are still flying. (on a big ship this will do lots of focused damage, especially shutting down C3P0 on a Falcon build)

Is this what you had in mind?

I'm at work, so my IQ automatically drops 50 points by virtue of being here....that said it seems like you are attacking 2x a turn with Vess and the Ion Defenders. How are you attacking 2x in one turn with these ships?

You move Delta x7 over speed 3 to get a bonus evade so it becomes the leader/blocker.

You shoot with Vessery, hit with TB and move ship into range 1 of its own ships and then Ruthless it, then shoot it with your Primary and Ruthless it again (easier with -1 agi).

Delta D shoots Ion to lock ship's maneuvering (while adding another point of damage on and easier to do with -1 Agi), and then shoot it with primary (if it is even alive it will be taking much damage by this point)

Delta 7 now goes and can shoot the TB ship but most likely will target what ever ships are still flying. (on a big ship this will do lots of focused damage, especially shutting down C3P0 on a Falcon build)

Is this what you had in mind?

I'm at work, so my IQ automatically drops 50 points by virtue of being here....that said it seems like you are attacking 2x a turn with Vess and the Ion Defenders. How are you attacking 2x in one turn with these ships?

with the onset of imperial Veterans the Tie/D title allows for a 'double tap' if a cannon with a cost of 3 or less is used as its first attack. ion being 3 tractor being 1 costs appropriately.

ahhhh. I missed the tie/d title and thought that just meant Tie/Defender (as in the ship type...) see...work = moron. Thank you!

Now, haven't we learned that only KineticOperator can fly KineticOperator's wacky builds?

No, it just takes practice. Lots and lots of practice.

KO widely stated he had less than a week on the triple K-wing build.

To be fair, I had a lot of practice with the individual pieces (SLAM, Miranda, TLT, Tactician). That was just the first time I had put them on the table in a single list. :-)

Guide to making a KeneticOperator List....

Take ship

Ace in above noted ship

x2 generics in noted ship

???

Profit? Shenanigans

KO's Next List will be.....

Dengar

x2 generics

how it will be kitted out is dependent on what Boba fett crew looks like, and cost of generics.

Speaking of Dengar R4 agro k4 is a nasty combo.

roll red dice get Blank hit focus, spend TL reroll blank to focus, use focus acquire TL.

or 4 outer rim smugglers. .. yeah, I know.

Trey travula (jumpmaster)

-deturmination

-salvaged Astromech

-hull Upgrade

-Greedo

-title

Thinking further in depth with this list, you can essentially (with a small base victim) force them off the map (eventually) by walking the dog, Tractor 1 forward, Ion 1 forward, rinse repeat until 1 hard cant save, then on to the next victim.

I really can't wait forImperial Veterans to arrive now. It will be glorious...