Can tractor beam movement apply the obstacle effects?

By Glucose98, in X-Wing

It seems obvious to me that:

That may be, but the rules don't support some of what you say. RAW you do not take damage for being put on an obstacle, only when you perform a maneuver. Now I expect to see the rules fixed so that does in fact happen, but until that point then no you don't take damage.

Edited by VanorDM

The article says Following Round. It doesn't say you take the damage that round it is Tractored.

It seems clear that the article is correct and does not conflict with the rules. You BR/boost the defender onto an obstacle but because it is NOT an action or a maneuver that is the end of the effect THIS round. However in the following turn the effect could potentially result in damage/stress/loss of actions etc. Either way it could also obstruct attacks in the same round.

It seems clear that the article is correct and does not conflict with the rules.

It does say 'next turn' now so it would be correct. Either a lot of us missed that or they changed it last night after we pointed out the issue.

Edited by VanorDM

It's the next line:

"Moreover, you may get as many as two points of damage out of the collisions, depending on the results of your opponent's attack dice."

That implies that there will be multiple collisions that will require your opponent to roll for damage.

I think it implies Direct Hit.

We didn't miss that. The problem isn't "next turn", but "potentially 2 damage".

It's the next line:

"Moreover, you may get as many as two points of damage out of the collisions, depending on the results of your opponent's attack dice."

That implies that there will be multiple collisions that will require your opponent to roll for damage.

I think it implies Direct Hit.

Could be, but that isn't much better. Major Explosion into Direct Hit is 3 damage. ;)

We didn't miss that. The problem isn't "next turn", but "potentially 2 damage".

Potentially is correct. All depends on what you roll on the red die when going over the asteroid.

It seems clear that the article is correct and does not conflict with the rules.

It does say 'next turn' now so it would be correct. Either a lot of us missed that or they changed it last night after we pointed out the issue.

A lot of you missed it. It hasn't changed. It said the whole time. following Round. I saved a copy of the article yesterday and that is the exact same when I look at a fresh copy today.

I think FFG should just make their articles all pictures.

We didn't miss that. The problem isn't "next turn", but "potentially 2 damage".

Potentially is correct. All depends on what you roll on the red die when going over the asteroid.

Yes, but like I pointed out it could be even more. "Potentially 2" seems odd and random when 0-1 is likely and 4 is possible (Major Explosion, Major Explosion, Direct Hit).

I think FFG should just make their articles all pictures.

FTW!

The article says Following Round. It doesn't say you take the damage that round it is Tractored.

Its ambiguous, it says

meaning that if you catch your opponent's ship in the right spot, you can potentially deny it the chance to fire and perform actions in the following round

Does it say "fire and perform actions" in the following round or "fire" and "perform actions in the following round" . It's not clear what 'following round' is attached to.

A lot of you missed it.

Thanks. That makes me feel better knowing they actually got the rules right.

"Potentially 2" seems odd and random when 0-1 is likely and 4 is possible (Major Explosion, Major Explosion, Direct Hit).

Sure but 4 is about as unlikely as winning the lottery, and 0-1 doesn't have much impact.

We didn't miss that. The problem isn't "next turn", but "potentially 2 damage".

Potentially is correct. All depends on what you roll on the red die when going over the asteroid.

Yes, but like I pointed out it could be even more. "Potentially 2" seems odd and random when 0-1 is likely and 4 is possible (Major Explosion, Major Explosion, Direct Hit).

They could have said potentially 2, 3, 4. 2 is the most likely aside from 1 so I am okay with that.

We didn't miss that. The problem isn't "next turn", but "potentially 2 damage".

Potentially is correct. All depends on what you roll on the red die when going over the asteroid.

Yes, but like I pointed out it could be even more. "Potentially 2" seems odd and random when 0-1 is likely and 4 is possible (Major Explosion, Major Explosion, Direct Hit).

They could have said potentially 2, 3, 4. 2 is the most likely aside from 1 so I am okay with that.

The chance of a Direct Hit in this situation is actually extremely low. 1/8*7/33, if I remember correctly, on other words less than 3%. 0 damage, however? 50%.

Sure but 4 is about as unlikely as winning the lottery, and 0-1 doesn't have much impact.

Oh? Are the odds of winning the lottery now 1/2338?

Because if so, I have an important investment I need to make.

Oh? Are the odds of winning the lottery now 1/2338?

The odds of 4 damage, by drawing crit hit cards like Direct Hit and Major Explosion are that low? Well then I guess it's more likely than the lottery.

Edited by VanorDM

The article says Following Round. It doesn't say you take the damage that round it is Tractored.

It's fairly clear that whoever wrote the article is expecting that there will be a damage roll when moving onto the asteroid. The mention of what happens in a following round is denying your opponent actions. The bit that talks about damage mentions "collisions" which would be the collision while moving onto the obstacle and the collision to get off of the obstacle.

"Forcing your opponent's ship through this boost or barrel roll does not count as an action or a maneuver, and you can force the ship to overlap obstacles, meaning that if you catch your opponent's ship in the right spot, you can potentially deny it the chance to fire and perform actions in the following round. Moreover, you may get as many as two points of damage out of the collisions, depending on the results of your opponent's attack dice."

3 Pages so far to answer "maybe."

Oh? Are the odds of winning the lottery now 1/2338?

The odds of 4 damage, by drawing crit hit cards like Direct Hit and Major Explosion are that low? Well then I guess it's more likely than the lottery.

1 in 2338 are the odds of specifically doing 4 damage in a single overlap by going Major Explosion, Major Explosion, Direct Hit ....before I remembered that to be dealt another crit card, you have to Roll a [Hit] with Major Explosion.

Correcting for that oversight, the true odds are 1 in 16,628. I'd still play every lottery at those odds, ad nauseam.