****, I still remember when revan was revealed.... and omg.... that was 13 years ago. Why am I so old!

Still one of the best video game moments for me.

I thought that reveal was telegraphed too easily. Waking up with amnesia? Big bad disappeared. Kotor was a mediocre game at best - a combination of very predictable plot, very few memorable characters, Lightsabers that bounces off of enemies, because in the old republic everything was made if cortosis (tech limitations on the games part), and the bad guys forces were far too reminiscent of the original film, in look and sound - a lack of creativity from an era that should have had ships carved from the corpses of giant insects. Oh, and. Lightsaber crystals that were interchangeable and just provided level up bonuses. On second thought, it isn't a mediocre game, it is a poor version of D&D in space.

Except it was awesome!

I don't want to get into your individual points, some of which I agree with and some I don't, because it's the overall feel that matters, you can point out individual flaws in anything, but just regarding your first point - I thought they didn't say the big bad had disappeared, they said he was killed, and it was only later you found out (if you hadn't guessed) otherwise?

Speak for yourself! I have yet to see anyone react in the sense of "why is everybody speculating about Rey? Is it important who her parents were?"This doesn't automatically make it important in the movie. That is an entirely different matter.

Actually, even though I put forward this Palpatine idea, myself and others in this thread have said we hope she's not actually related to any known characters and that the point of her missing family is simply that she has a missing family. I suppose you could argue that that means it's important by virtue of being unimportant, but I think that's a bit of a stretch.

Thanks for making my point.

I'm confused now, I don't know who thinks what :S

So the point is that the movie has successfully put Ren's parentage, whatever it is, on the agenda. I think that's an achievement and that it was what the producers set out to do. We talk about it, think about it, make theories, but don't know if it really matters and to what. That's pretty cool, isn't it?

I don't really have theories about Rey, except that I think she is somehow descended from Shmi Skywalker. Maybe not, I'll let the Mouse surprise me, it's in their hands now.

Lucas was less good at this. I remember the speculation about Darth Sidious; it was much less 'open' than this.

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I just wish they'd make a KotoR 3 where it's revealed what happened after Reven left. I think it might have already been covered in comics or in the Old Republic MMO, but I've no interest in reading or playing those. I want a new single player KotoR so much!

All we really know from TOR is that Revan was a dude, the player in KOTOR 2 was a chick, and that at some point on his hunt for the emperor Revan was betrayed by a member of his crew. You can revive him in the game, and then kill him, and then kill the dark half of him that didn't die the first time. Also we are pretty sure it isn't HK that betrayed him because HK was still around and defending Revan when you kill him the first time.

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I just wish they'd make a KotoR 3 where it's revealed what happened after Reven left. I think it might have already been covered in comics or in the Old Republic MMO, but I've no interest in reading or playing those. I want a new single player KotoR so much!

All we really know from TOR is that Revan was a dude, the player in KOTOR 2 was a chick, and that at some point on his hunt for the emperor Revan was betrayed by a member of his crew. You can revive him in the game, and then kill him, and then kill the dark half of him that didn't die the first time. Also we are pretty sure it isn't HK that betrayed him because HK was still around and defending Revan when you kill him the first time.

HK would never betray his master! Get him killed by "accident" maybe, although not with Revan. T3 in the other hand...

All the movies to date follow the path of the Skywalker lineage. I have no problems with her being Luke and Phasma's daughter. That does contradict the 'Jedis are like monks' theme from prequels. Once again that wouldn't bother me.

Switching off his own weapon, Ren extended an arm toward the device lying in the snow. It twitched and then began to vibrate as the Force called to it. Stretching out his hand farther, straining, Ren beckoned powerfully—and the lightsaber rose, to come bulleting toward his outstretched fingers.

And past them.

Taken aback, he whirled—to see the weapon land in the hand of a girl standing by a tree. Rey appeared equally shocked that her reach for the device had exceeded his. She gazed down at the weapon now resting in her grip.

“It is you,” Ren murmured.

His words unsettled her: Not for the first time, he seemed to know more about her than she did about herself. But she had no time to ponder his comment, nor was she inclined to do so anyway; she was too consumed with rage. Holding the haft of the lightsaber in both hands, she ignited the beam—and charged.

Ren met her with his own weapon alight. Expecting weakness, he encountered only strength. Her skill with the device was raw at best, but it was backed by a fury that was as new to his experience as it was unexpected.

When the beams of their lightsabers crossed, the resulting burst of energy lit an entire section of forest.

So Kylo Ren knows who she is, according to the novel.

Ren held his lightsaber, poised to strike. “I could kill you right now. But there is another way.”

Breathing hard, Rey looked up in disgust at the man looming above her. “You’re a monster.”

“No. You need a teacher.” He was beseeching and insistent all at once. “I can show you the ways of the Force!”

Slowly she shook her head. “The Force?” That was what this was about? Instead of moving to defend herself, Rey closed her eyes. Ren hesitated, confused by her actions. A long moment passed, in which Ren sensed a change in the air, a change in her. Then she opened her eyes and attacked, viciously, in a way she didn’t know she was capable of, striking again and again as Ren was slowly driven back. The flaring energy from the interacting lightsabers was more pronounced than ever in the flurry of her attack. And—Ren went down.

He was up again in an instant, but not in time to fully deflect a following blow from Rey’s weapon. He succeeded in blocking it, but he still took the full force of the strike against the haft of his own lightsaber. The weapon went flying into the snow. Unarmed, he raised a hand and utilized the Force to fend off one slashing blow after another, until finally her fury penetrated his remaining defenses. Taking a glancing blow to the head and chest, he went down, a prominent burn slashed across his face. Weakened, he reached out toward his lightsaber, trying to draw it to him.

One downward cut, she saw. One quick, final strike, and she could kill him. The landing lights of a shuttle appeared in the distance, coming over the trees in her direction. She had to make a decision, now.

Kill him, a voice inside her head said. It was amorphous, unidentifiable, raw. Pure vengeful emotion. So easy, she told herself. So quick.

She recoiled from it. From the dark side.

The world shook beneath her as the ground began to split. Turning away from the injured figure, she ran back to where Finn lay badly wounded. A deep gully formed, separating her from General Hux and the arriving troopers. Utilizing the tiny position sensor emplaced in Ren’s belt, Hux had tracked him to this spot. He would have taken Rey and Finn, as well, if not for the command that had been issued by the Supreme Leader. That took precedence over everything. There was simply no time left.

There are a lot of missing puzzle pieces in the Novel.

I'm looking forward to the director's cut returning the hour of footage Disney cut away.

Jesus, that books sounds dreadful!

It has better dialogue than the movie.

And I don't think you're a Star Wars fan at all

I think you made this thread just to do some trolling.

Just another wounded Expanded Universe mourner

that can't accept it's all out of your hands and always will be.

All the movies to date follow the path of the Skywalker lineage. I have no problems with her being Luke and Phasma's daughter. That does contradict the 'Jedis are like monks' theme from prequels. Once again that wouldn't bother me.

Phasma! what are you talking about!

And I don't think you're a Star Wars fan at all

I think you made this thread just to do some trolling.

Just another wounded Expanded Universe mourner

that can't accept it's all out of your hands and always will be.

Haha, ****, you got me!

****, I still remember when revan was revealed.... and omg.... that was 13 years ago. Why am I so old!

Still one of the best video game moments for me.

I thought that reveal was telegraphed too easily. Waking up with amnesia? Big bad disappeared. Kotor was a mediocre game at best - a combination of very predictable plot, very few memorable characters, Lightsabers that bounces off of enemies, because in the old republic everything was made if cortosis (tech limitations on the games part), and the bad guys forces were far too reminiscent of the original film, in look and sound - a lack of creativity from an era that should have had ships carved from the corpses of giant insects. Oh, and. Lightsaber crystals that were interchangeable and just provided level up bonuses. On second thought, it isn't a mediocre game, it is a poor version of D&D in space.

I think that really depends on your experience with video game RPGs and other similar stories. If you were a young, sheltered, Star Wars nut like me, you totally didn't see it coming. See, I felt like the whole amnesia thing and the "Wow, you're really good at the Force" stuff was just because they wanted the player to feel like they were their own character in the ancient Star Wars galaxy. They wanted you to feel powerful, so they had to throw in these lines about you being really strong in the Force. I had no expectations of ever discovering my background because I thought the whole point was that it didn't matter. So when my origin was finally revealed toward the end of the game, I was blown away!

Naming the new weapon "Starkiller" in the film shows that the script writers are primarily in charge and will not be held to the past. It would be ridiculous to name this thing "Starkiller" and then have a character show up with the same name. If the film getting the third highest gross ever should tell you anything, it is that these films are not *primarily* targeted solely at you, the hard core Star Wars fan with encyclodpedic knowledge of every book written over the past 20 years. The scope is larger, the beats broader, the goal to be more engaging, not navel gazing. Books and comics will dig deep into lore - and again, they are already overwriting huge swaths of "Legends"

But he is Darth Caedus... The new story group is basically the same people running the show before Disney bought SW. All i see in the new stories is lore that pretty much compliments legends and even elivates it to primary canon status. Just from SWTFU alone Shadow Guard, Purge Troopers, Jump Troopers, Riot Troopers, Juno, pre alliance reb troopers, all tie punisher pilots, have become primary canon.

As for Star Killer, thats not his real name, so if they talk about him in the movies they will probably call him Galen Marek.

It would play out like this, but not exactly,

"Luke: Your father... was a powerful man, he wasnt a jedi and he wasnt a Sith...

Rey: Who was he?

Luke: His real name... was Galen Marek. My father... found him as a boy and tortured him, turned him into a weapon. He hunted jedi and Rebels. And despite all of this he was able to turn to the light side and correct his mistakes.

Rey: How, what did he do?

Luke: He helped get all the r3bel forces together to form the Rebel Alliance. It should had been your father that rebuilt the Jedi... Yoda, and my old master Ben had trained me to deafeat my father and the emperor, but yoda didnt have total faith in me. If i failed Yoda knew you father was powerful enough that he could stop the empire. Look at me... i tried to be a good jedi and teacher and i failed, yoda was right to not have total faith in me."

Please... If we are going to spout trivia from a game, we might as well make Kyle Katarn and Jan Ors her parents. Because she isn't a Jedi, just a girl with a lightsaber and some questions.

A mate recently made the argument that she is Anakin reincarnate. Anakin's lightsabre calling to her, good with tech, a gun pilot, feels Luke .... Some good points.

I however believe she is just a strong-willed competent female struggling to find her place in the galaxy. I hope she has zero link to the main cast.mIt is afterall, a very big universe .. and it is feeling very incestuous at the moment.

I hope she has zero link to the main cast.mIt is afterall, a very big universe .. and it is feeling very incestuous at the moment.

At the moment? For me, it's been feeling like that since 1985. And I didn't even know what the word meant then.

Black Knight Leader,

What are you on about? In no way is The Force Unleashed canon. Listen to the RebelForceRadio podcast and you will get confirmation that Sam Witwer (and many other Clone Wars and Rebels voice cast member) supplied additional voices for TFA. We have to face the facts that Starkiller is most likely not going to be pulled into canon.

As of right now the only things that count in canon are the Films, Clone Wars, Rebels and books printed by Del Rey starting with Tarkin. Even the original Clone Wars cartoon by Gendy Tartakosky (sp) is out of the SW canon. All "Legends" material are around but they are not canon (or even "secondary" canon). They are simply fun stories from a time before the sequel trilogy. Sure, filmmakers can mine from these sources, but that still does not make them canon. That is why Ben Solo is Ben Solo, nothing more, nothing less.

I appreciate your clear passion for The Force Unleashed and a great deal of the old EU, but they are now mere legends in the Star Wars universe.

Cheers and best wishes on the new age of Star Wars.

As of right now the only things that count in canon are the Films, Clone Wars, Rebels and books printed by Del Rey starting with Tarkin. Even the original Clone Wars cartoon by Gendy Tartakosky (sp) is out of the SW canon. All "Legends" material are around but they are not canon (or even "secondary" canon). They are simply fun stories from a time before the sequel trilogy. Sure, filmmakers can mine from these sources, but that still does not make them canon. That is why Ben Solo is Ben Solo, nothing more, nothing less.

The new Marvel comic series as well: "Star Wars", "Vader", "Princess Leia", "Lando", "Chewbacca", "C-3PO" (one-off), "Shattered Empire", "Kanan, the Last Padawan", "Obi-Wan & Anakin", "Darth Maul"

"C-3PO" (one-off)

Does that one explain about his arm?

It will - it releases in February

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars_Special:_C-3PO_1

Good point. The new comics count towards canon too. By the way, the Lando mini-series was excellent.

Did anyone else read Shattered Empire and think "that ending better have NOTHING to do with the new trilogy"?

Did anyone else read Shattered Empire and think "that ending better have NOTHING to do with the new trilogy"?

I thought "I sure wish I had bought the digital version, instead of this $16 paperback"

Vader Vol. 1 however - pretty good

****, I still remember when revan was revealed.... and omg.... that was 13 years ago. Why am I so old!

Still one of the best video game moments for me.

I thought that reveal was telegraphed too easily. Waking up with amnesia? Big bad disappeared. Kotor was a mediocre game at best - a combination of very predictable plot, very few memorable characters, Lightsabers that bounces off of enemies, because in the old republic everything was made if cortosis (tech limitations on the games part), and the bad guys forces were far too reminiscent of the original film, in look and sound - a lack of creativity from an era that should have had ships carved from the corpses of giant insects. Oh, and. Lightsaber crystals that were interchangeable and just provided level up bonuses. On second thought, it isn't a mediocre game, it is a poor version of D&D in space.

Yes, despite its multitude of Game of the Year awards, its inclusion in tons of Best Video Games of All Time lists, and the fact it is still talked about to this day, with its influence being felt all across Star Wars fandom ... well, you are right, sir. None of that means a **** thing.

Forget the Ebon Hawk, the Revan reveal, the snarky dialogue from HK-47, the additional lore surrounding Kashyyyk, and the supa'sexy Bastila. KOTOR is really just a terrible D&D clone. In space.

Completely unoriginal. And utterly forgettable.

How could we ever have thought otherwise?

PS - I do actually dig the original "Tales of the Jedi" comics that were the original influence. They have a very unique and very cool feel to them.

Yes, despite its multitude of Game of the Year awards, its inclusion in tons of Best Video Games of All Time lists, and the fact it is still talked about to this day, with its influence being felt all across Star Wars fandom ... well, you are right, sir. None of that means a **** thing.

Forget the Ebon Hawk, the Revan reveal, the snarky dialogue from HK-47, the additional lore surrounding Kashyyyk, and the supa'sexy Bastila. KOTOR is really just a terrible D&D clone. In space.

Completely unoriginal. And utterly forgettable.

How could we ever have thought otherwise?

Honestly - The Revan reveal? As was stated earlier - an amnesiac is our main protagonist and a major mcguffin plot point is the missing dark lord. If you didn't figure that out after the first cut scene you need to get out more or you are very easy to surprise. I've got a bridge for sale if you are interested.

It's a decent game, a bit slow here and there (especially the combat system) I wouldn't rank it 'best ever' or crap. It was a good way to spend some time in a Star Wars - esque landscape

Hipster nonsense...

Also, anyone else immediately think "Star Forge" when they first saw the Starkiller base in action?

Yes, despite its multitude of Game of the Year awards, its inclusion in tons of Best Video Games of All Time lists, and the fact it is still talked about to this day, with its influence being felt all across Star Wars fandom ... well, you are right, sir. None of that means a **** thing.

Forget the Ebon Hawk, the Revan reveal, the snarky dialogue from HK-47, the additional lore surrounding Kashyyyk, and the supa'sexy Bastila. KOTOR is really just a terrible D&D clone. In space.

Completely unoriginal. And utterly forgettable.

How could we ever have thought otherwise?

Honestly - The Revan reveal? As was stated earlier - an amnesiac is our main protagonist and a major mcguffin plot point is the missing dark lord. If you didn't figure that out after the first cut scene you need to get out more or you are very easy to surprise. I've got a bridge for sale if you are interested.

It's a decent game, a bit slow here and there (especially the combat system) I wouldn't rank it 'best ever' or crap. It was a good way to spend some time in a Star Wars - esque landscape

Am I totally misremembering? I didn't think there was a suggestion that Reven was missing, I thought Bastilla was supposed to have killed him.