Dee, you have no idea how happy it makes me to hear that someone finally put that whole Jedi religion thing to good use. I also have to respect that you're holding your ground on whatever it was you actually said. I don't really listen to podcasts but it does annoy me when someone endorses or criticizes something and then immediately backs away from it because someone didn't like it.

I should clarify that I haven't listened to the podcast in question and have no idea what he said beyond it being critical of Trump or Trump's supporters in some way. I'm kind of giving him the benefit of the doubt that what he said was still largely on-topic, with the reference to Trump being an example or an attempt to make it more relatable.

It's not about Trump at all. If you listen to the segment, it is about X-Wing.

It's their podcast. They can talk about anything they want.

You want no politics when you are playing a game based on politics; because what is war if not an extreme political conflict?

Its just a game man, made to have fun. Politics is not fun.

No, it's a joke and not a funny one. These children in Washington are more interested in pushing their agendas through and fighting each other than sitting down a figuring a compromise to benefit the country. The 15 second sound bite has become truth.

Wasn't the Nazi party founded in a bar?

You could express it like that, yes. They were political hotspots at that time. The first attempt to assasinate Hitler also took place in a bar. Poor guy who tried wasn't remembered much, though, because he wasn't 'heroic' enough for the BRD and was not associated with the socialist movement, so no love from the DDR either.

alright here are my hot takes on politics and religion. for the politics and religion mega thread:

1. whats the deal with airline food, politicians should make a law to make it suck less.
2. religion sucks except when it doesnt
3. be awesome unto another
4. i couldnt think of a thing that sounded like a "4" to me
5. or a "5"
6. 9
7. lol 69
8. the guy who made this thread had to know what he was doing and it rules. if he somehow did this on accident lol.
9. mormons are weird people but usually nice to a fault.

The only political discussions we should be having are:

Why did the Republic fall?

Was the stability the Empire bought worth the anti-non-Human policies?

Should the New Republic be considered a legal state?

Should the First Order be considered a legal state?

Should Mon Mothma have reduced the New Republic's military size?

And the only Religous discussions should be:

Why don't more people believe in the Force when just 50 years ago literally thousands of telekinetic guys with laser swords were having a massive war all over the place?

The only political discussions we should be having are:

Why did the Republic fall?

Was the stability the Empire bought worth the anti-non-Human policies?

Should the New Republic be considered a legal state?

Should the First Order be considered a legal state?

Should Mon Mothma have reduced the New Republic's military size?

How about: Oh, for funnel cakes! The First Order BLEW UP THE NEW REPUBLIC SENATE! There had better be massive fallout from that in Ep. VIII!

Oh there will be.

It was glossed over SO quickly in TFA. You had to infer it from Hux's speech, and then everything happened so quickly, with little or no reaction to the /magnitude/ of what occurred from the characters. This wasn't "just" Alderaan.

It was glossed over SO quickly in TFA. You had to infer it from Hux's speech, and then everything happened so quickly, with little or no reaction to the /magnitude/ of what occurred from the characters. This wasn't "just" Alderaan.

You are right, it's the JJ version so bigger and flashier. Alderaan 2 Starkiller boogaloo if you will.

To return to the original topic:

The problem here wasn't political discussion, it was political thrashing. Denigrating a leading candidate's followers will always insult a major portion of people. Rag on Trump followers, they all get upset. Do the same to Clinton followers, and the same happens.

Basically then, what you are doing is using an apolitical forum like Star Wars to help promote YOUR political ideas. That is what the OP wanted to get away from, and I wholeheartedly concur.

(Unless, of course, you are talking about the idiots wanting to elect Hillary Rodham ... what a self-serving egotistical crazed witch!)

Right, I'm going to take an unpopular stance here. The constant insistence that people not talk about politics or religion in social locations is bad. Seriously, people, these are important things (Well, religion is important to religious people. Agnostics and nonaggressive aethiests, less so). We should be talking about them. Frequently.

That being said, I understand why people discourage this discourse. We haven't exactly encouraged polite, reasoned discourse and understanding on these topics of late. But the solution to this is not to shut up about these things. It's to promote better dialogue.

So, by all means, talk about politics and religion while you play X-wing. But be respectful even to parties not represented in the discussion (Especially since they might be present, but keeping silent). And mocking candidates isn't respectful (Borderline tautology there, I know. Needed to be said). So I guess political comments don't make sense in an X-wing podcast, but more because they're not related to the podcast's discussion.

so you are encouraging people to keep talking about what the OP asked us not to do.

No I'm saying that if someone posts something saying 'hey can we keep politics out of X-Wing' people should have enough self control to not bring politics up in the very thread.

They should especially have the self control to not sling uncalled for insults at other people.

Perhaps I did misread your post, but it sounded to me like you were defending people who did that. If that was not your intent, then I apologize for misunderstanding what you were saying.

I will not however apologize for heaping scorn on people who behave in the manner I mention above.

Why should people not talk about politics just because someone made a thread expressing his opinion? He honestly believes it's possible to 'keep politics out of gaming', and I just wanted to laugh at how patently ridiculous the idea of objectivity or apolitical thought is.

Right, I'm going to take an unpopular stance here. The constant insistence that people not talk about politics or religion in social locations is bad. Seriously, people, these are important things (Well, religion is important to religious people. Agnostics and nonaggressive aethiests, less so). We should be talking about them. Frequently.

That being said, I understand why people discourage this discourse. We haven't exactly encouraged polite, reasoned discourse and understanding on these topics of late. But the solution to this is not to shut up about these things. It's to promote better dialogue.

So, by all means, talk about politics and religion while you play X-wing. But be respectful even to parties not represented in the discussion (Especially since they might be present, but keeping silent). And mocking candidates isn't respectful (Borderline tautology there, I know. Needed to be said). So I guess political comments don't make sense in an X-wing podcast, but more because they're not related to the podcast's discussion.

Political discussions are never respectful. They turn into vitriolic circlejerky messes 100% of the time.

That's why they should be avoided.

It's toxic.

Right, I'm going to take an unpopular stance here. The constant insistence that people not talk about politics or religion in social locations is bad. Seriously, people, these are important things (Well, religion is important to religious people. Agnostics and nonaggressive aethiests, less so). We should be talking about them. Frequently.

That being said, I understand why people discourage this discourse. We haven't exactly encouraged polite, reasoned discourse and understanding on these topics of late. But the solution to this is not to shut up about these things. It's to promote better dialogue.

So, by all means, talk about politics and religion while you play X-wing. But be respectful even to parties not represented in the discussion (Especially since they might be present, but keeping silent). And mocking candidates isn't respectful (Borderline tautology there, I know. Needed to be said). So I guess political comments don't make sense in an X-wing podcast, but more because they're not related to the podcast's discussion.

Political discussions are never respectful. They turn into vitriolic circlejerky messes 100% of the time.

That's why they should be avoided.

It's toxic.

You're being hyperbolic. It is perfectly possible to discuss politics respectfully. It is difficult, certainly. Especially since we are out of practice in doing so. But the way to fight the toxicity of political discussions is with non-toxic political discussions, not by shutting up so that only toxic discussions remains.

The problem here wasn't political discussion, it was political thrashing. Denigrating a leading candidate's followers will always insult a major portion of people. Rag on Trump followers, they all get upset. Do the same to Clinton followers, and the same happens.

Basically then, what you are doing is using an apolitical forum like Star Wars to help promote YOUR political ideas. That is what the OP wanted to get away from, and I wholeheartedly concur.

(Unless, of course, you are talking about the idiots wanting to elect Hillary Rodham ... what a self-serving egotistical crazed witch!)

On the podcast, I strictly limited myself to factual statements. I made no comments about Trump's platform or any of his suggested policies. I proffered none of my own. I pointed out that Trump supporters as a whole are well-informed and active. But misinformed (again, as a whole). Facts. If that results in 'denigrating' people, it's just enforcing the "Causal illusions" thesis I was discussing on the podcast.

Now, take this phenomenon and apply it to X-Wing. How many times have you run into players that insist they made a good decision despite all data and logic pointing otherwise, and cannot be dissuaded from that misinformation? Now...imagine how many times YOU do that very thing. The point of that podcast segment was not to denigrate Trump supporters (I gave two other completely different examples, one of which was also politically charged). The point was to show how fallible our judgment is.

The problem here wasn't political discussion, it was political thrashing. Denigrating a leading candidate's followers will always insult a major portion of people. Rag on Trump followers, they all get upset. Do the same to Clinton followers, and the same happens.

Basically then, what you are doing is using an apolitical forum like Star Wars to help promote YOUR political ideas. That is what the OP wanted to get away from, and I wholeheartedly concur.

(Unless, of course, you are talking about the idiots wanting to elect Hillary Rodham ... what a self-serving egotistical crazed witch!)

On the podcast, I strictly limited myself to factual statements. I made no comments about Trump's platform or any of his suggested policies. I proffered none of my own. I pointed out that Trump supporters as a whole are well-informed and active. But misinformed (again, as a whole). Facts. If that results in 'denigrating' people, it's just enforcing the "Causal illusions" thesis I was discussing on the podcast.

Now, take this phenomenon and apply it to X-Wing. How many times have you run into players that insist they made a good decision despite all data and logic pointing otherwise, and cannot be dissuaded from that misinformation? Now...imagine how many times YOU do that very thing. The point of that podcast segment was not to denigrate Trump supporters (I gave two other completely different examples, one of which was also politically charged). The point was to show how fallible our judgment is.

I'd argue that accusing Trump supporters of being misinformed, at least without backing it up with solid data, is a bit of an attack. I think you'd have been better off with a psychological example like confirmation bias or buyer's remorse. That way, nobody feels attacked (even though we all really need to remember that we all need to fight these things because we fall victim to them without realizing it).

It is an attack. But many accept it as outright fact.

That's why you can't have polite political discussion on the internet.

So... stop, maybe..?

Ugh, I will cite sources on the next podcast. The statement was factual, not opinion.

EDIT: http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

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