Was wondering this the other night.

My buddy is practicing flying tie swarm and In one of his lists he has Wampa

So Wampa attack and he got a crit

Then

The question came up, do I get to roll?

Or does he get to cancel his dice first.

Or after I modify his.

Cause he would roll, then I can modify then he modifies, then I'd roll defense.

Correct?

We played it as I didn't get to roll.

This is still under some debate it seems:

https://community.fantasyflightgames.com/topic/194538-when-does-wampa-cancel-results/?hl=wampa

As far as I know we have not yet received any official answere to this question.

Both Crackshot and Accuracy Corrector received errata to clarify their timing. I'm going to assume that the same will be true for Wampa.

I would argue thatcyou get to roll and then the attacker determines if he's cancelling results. Couldnt see it being any different than AC.

After reading the above link I think it makes sense to cancel all dice, so really doesn't matter if defender gets to roll or not.

Wampa rolls two crits

Defender rolls three evades

Now cancel all dice result and take your hit like a champ Coran

After reading the above link I think it makes sense to cancel all dice, so really doesn't matter if defender gets to roll or not.

Wampa rolls two crits

Defender rolls three evades

Now cancel all dice result and take your hit like a champ Coran

The timing does matter. If Wampa has to cancel before the Defender rolls he has to make a gamble that one face down damage is going to be better than whatever he'd get through the defender's defense. He also doesn't strip any tokens when he uses his ability.

If the ability is used at the start of the Compare Results step it is much more powerful. It puts Wampa in a position where he knows if his normal roll is going to be better than using his ability. It can also force tokens to be spent to keep from taking a crit or muliple hits.

Then there's the worst possible timing for Wampa; later in the Compare Results step. If Wampa works like Bossk he needs to have a crit leftover after the defender has canceled hits and crits. I don't think it's likely that this is the timing that is intended because it isn't worded like Bossk or Ion Cannon type weapons are and would make Wampa's ability about on par with Fel's Wrath's.

The timing does matter. If Wampa has to cancel before the Defender rolls he has to make a gamble that one face up damage is going to be better than whatever he'd get through the defender's defense.

face-down

Sorry for the pedantry

Wampa happens at the start of step 6 like Crackshot. And it does matter what the defender rolls and what tokens he uses. See the other thread for further elaboration .

Which is still speculation and awaiting clarification. Truth is, no one is 100% sure yet.

After reading the above link I think it makes sense to cancel all dice, so really doesn't matter if defender gets to roll or not.

Wampa rolls two crits

Defender rolls three evades

Now cancel all dice result and take your hit like a champ Coran

Then there's the worst possible timing for Wampa; later in the Compare Results step. If Wampa works like Bossk he needs to have a crit leftover after the defender has canceled hits and crits. I don't think it's likely that this is the timing that is intended because it isn't worded like Bossk or Ion Cannon type weapons are and would make Wampa's ability about on par with Fel's Wrath's.

This one would make wampa pointless as if you hit with a crit, you would never choose to deal a face down damage card

After reading the above link I think it makes sense to cancel all dice, so really doesn't matter if defender gets to roll or not.

Wampa rolls two crits

Defender rolls three evades

Now cancel all dice result and take your hit like a champ Coran

Then there's the worst possible timing for Wampa; later in the Compare Results step. If Wampa works like Bossk he needs to have a crit leftover after the defender has canceled hits and crits. I don't think it's likely that this is the timing that is intended because it isn't worded like Bossk or Ion Cannon type weapons are and would make Wampa's ability about on par with Fel's Wrath's.

This one would make wampa pointless as if you hit with a crit, you would never choose to deal a face down damage card

I did say it was on par with Fel's Wrath.

There are some times that I would prefer a facedown damage to dealing a crit. If the shot would hit shields and Wampa is rolling with Scourge, Alozen, or someone with Advanced Homing Missiles or Proton Bombs or shooting at a target with an ability that regenerates shields. Giving a ship with R2-D2 crew a few face-up cards before his ship runs out of shields could be kind of nasty. Porkins would probably not appreciate it either.

After reading the above link I think it makes sense to cancel all dice, so really doesn't matter if defender gets to roll or not.

Wampa rolls two crits

Defender rolls three evades

Now cancel all dice result and take your hit like a champ Coran

Then there's the worst possible timing for Wampa; later in the Compare Results step. If Wampa works like Bossk he needs to have a crit leftover after the defender has canceled hits and crits. I don't think it's likely that this is the timing that is intended because it isn't worded like Bossk or Ion Cannon type weapons are and would make Wampa's ability about on par with Fel's Wrath's.

This one would make wampa pointless as if you hit with a crit, you would never choose to deal a face down damage card

I did say it was on par with Fel's Wrath.

There are some times that I would prefer a facedown damage to dealing a crit. If the shot would hit shields and Wampa is rolling with Scourge, Alozen, or someone with Advanced Homing Missiles or Proton Bombs or shooting at a target with an ability that regenerates shields. Giving a ship with R2-D2 crew a few face-up cards before his ship runs out of shields could be kind of nasty. Porkins would probably not appreciate it either.

Good point

Just got this in my email:

Hello Jacob,

In response to your rules question:

Rules Question:

When in the Attack sequence does Wampa's pilot ability happen? I've been assuming it's during the Compare Results step, because we used to have a rule saying that that was the step where Cancel Results effects happen, but the current Rules Reference doesn't say that any more. So, does Wampa trigger during Compare Results, or during Attacker Modifies Attack Dice? Is there a general rule about the timing of Cancel Die Results abilities when not otherwise specified? Thanks, both in advance and for previous questions!

“Wampa's” ability happens at the start of the "Compare Results” step.

Thanks for playing,

Frank Brooks

Associate Creative Content Developer

Fantasy Flight Games

[email protected]

“Wampa's” ability happens at the start of the "Compare Results” step.

So... after the defender gets to modify attack dice, but before the defender gets to cancel attack dice with defense dice?

Late enough for the attacker to know how much damage is going to apply if he doesn't use Wampa.

Pretty good.

Classic FFG responce, tell us how a specific card is supposed to work, but never ever tell us how the actual rules work...

"When in the Attack sequence does Wampa's pilot ability happen? I've been assuming it's during the Compare Results step, because we used to have a rule saying that that was the step where Cancel Results effects happen, but the current Rules Reference doesn't say that any more. So, does Wampa trigger during Compare Results, or during Attacker Modifies Attack Dice? Is there a general rule about the timing of Cancel Die Results abilities when not otherwise specified? Thanks, both in advance and for previous questions!

“Wampa's” ability happens at the start of the "Compare Results” step.

Thanks for playing,

Frank Brooks

Associate Creative Content Developer

Fantasy Flight Games

[email protected]"

It was not my email, but it's been floating in various xwing groups on facebook.

The timing does matter. If Wampa has to cancel before the Defender rolls he has to make a gamble that one face up damage is going to be better than whatever he'd get through the defender's defense.

face-down

Sorry for the pedantry

NP. My brain wanted face-down but my hands insisted on face-up.

So at the Start of compare results?

So defender roll two evades and I roll hit and crit

Now at start of compare result, I can cancel my dice and deal a facedown card

That correct?

Absolutely.

It seems a bit hard on the defender in my opinion. It's going to mean that no player is likely to bother modifying defense dice against Wampa, because what's the point? Wampa cancels the lot first.

Played against a wampa Palpatine whisper build yesterday. I won but wampa witht he emperor is a beast. Do I go for whisper first and let wampa one shot me to death or kill wampa first and let Whisper eat me alive? I went for whisper first and wampa plinked my vader to death. I won still as Soontir is a beast.

Played against a wampa Palpatine whisper build yesterday. I won but wampa witht he emperor is a beast. Do I go for whisper first and let wampa one shot me to death or kill wampa first and let Whisper eat me alive? I went for whisper first and wampa plinked my vader to death. I won still as Soontir is a beast.

Perhaps kill the Emperor first, so the other two are both substantially weakened?

I've seen a lot of reliance in the Emperor of late. If you knock him out of the game early enough, the rest of the player's squad seems to fall apart. It seems that some rely on the boss and forget about a backup plan.

Ya you just have to kill him fast or else you be in trouble

Its one attack...doesnt seem that bad