I know that the cardboard tokens are not cheap, ask any wargames designer. But, man, vast quantities of basic opaque dice are ulteacheap if you order, lets say, 500.000 red plus 500.000 green.

In my opinion the basic sets are OK starter kits but to provide only 3+3 dice is one very, very greedy decision. You need at least 4 dice. X firing.at range 1, 4 dice. Tie defending at range 3, four dice.

Please, in future starter boxes, add two more dices. The cost is ridiculous..

Indeed but the 'starter set' is just that, it whets your appetite. You can't play a decent game with the basic contents (30 points each roughly?) so obviously its leader into buying more ships. Likewise more dice.

I dont think its that outrageous.

Nearly every RPG i bought in the 80s required me to buy about 16 polyhedral dice to begin to play it... except D&D which came with a D10 and a D6 iirc.

You don't need more than 3 dice, you never need more than 3 dice in fact. You can always reroll existing dice if you don't have enough.

So what you're really complaining about is that the starter set, which is an amazing value doesn't offer enough convenience. A starter set which by its very nature is intended to get you started but is never intended to provide you everything you want, only everything you need .

You don't need more dice, but after buying 5 core sets inbetween the two different, having all those extra roids and dice is NICE.

Likewise, after 20+ years of 40K having a huge ass D6 bucket is great too.

Then infinity /D20. All the D20s you need for those...

Especially as some D20s you have to put into timeouts for being terrible.

You only NEED one Red plus one Green... But in my opinion 4 each is the bare minimun. There is plenty of box.capacity available, not providing the minimun number of dice.to roll a.normal.range one attack is...a nonsense to me. Just like Armada basic set. Of course you can buy a dice pack to roll one attack.

Just like Armada basic set.

Again it's a starter set. It isn't intended to provide everything you may want, only everything you need.

Then there's the fact that they sell dice packs... If they included more dice than there would be fewer of those sold.

Then there's the fact that they sell dice packs... If they included more dice than there would be fewer of those sold.

That is the OP's complaint. They are "highly suggesting" that you purchase a brand new pack of dime a piece dice for $8 so you don't look like a tool when you arrive at store champs and have to reroll or borrow dice.

Yeah but you know, you wouldnt turn up to a tournament with two tricked out TIE/ln either would you.... you'd have invested in the components to conveniently play a 100 point game... probably four ships, in the uk thats about £50 so a £5 pack of dice which you only really need for *convenience* is hardly taking the micky from FFG.

I mean yes you need four dice to do an 'all in one' roll using an attacking x or a defending tie but , as said, you're going to need more ships anyway... do they include a 5th red die in case your first purchase is a phantom?

No Phantoms in the Basic Set. No.Expose, Stealth Device...

But there are X wings and Ties. You only need one red and one green. It is recomended to own at least 4 each to play Basic scenarios. I suggest that 8 dices is better than 6 to learn the game, and that the cost involved is a couple of cents.

Rerolling can be confusing if it is your first play and no.player has prior experience. Or simply upgrade the Basic Game.

They are "highly suggesting" that you purchase a brand new pack...

Oh no, a company that is producing a product designed to get you to buy more of it's product... My god that's down right criminal!!!

People have been complaining about it since the core set was released, and the complaint is no more valid now than it was then.

You don't need more dice, while I will agree they're very nice to have, they aren't required and there is nothing wrong with having only 3 dice in the starter pack.

I am fascinated by Hexdot's apparent insider information on the production costs, shipping costs, and margin on the Core sets to for certain to make these claims.

If its that much of an issue its not like you cant get a d6 out of monopoly, paint it red or green and sharpie on the symbols

But i mean we're talking what £6 uk for 6 dice in a pack?

I bet its half that in the US

Oh shoot, did I miss it? My pitchfork was in the shop to be sharpened and I couldn't find my torch. **** it, I hate it when I miss my chance to completely overreact to a relatively benign request. Ah well, looks like the forum brigade took care of it.

Next time Hexbot... Next time...

I don't see how calling the cost of the core ridiculous or that FFG is being purely greedy is benign...

Clearly.

I wonder what the reaction would be if I only brought one green and one red to the Store Champs, blew everything to kill one ship, and then stalled like mad rolling a single die over and over on any attack or defense.

I have a little bit experience ordering significant numbers of "simple" plastic plastic components. The.cost of a single.item if you order 100.000, 300.000 or the like is.infinitesimal. There are plenty free space in a box, no logistic.drama.

As said before, in my opinion 4 each are needed to.play. No drama involved. I.have little experiencia modeling, so I.can not say.nothing about paint jobs. A little if vast number of plastic pieces are ordered, so I simply say that 3 red 3 green is a sub optimal number of dice. The cost to provide 2 more dices is a couple.of cents.

I own 6 Basic ( plus two more.to share with workmates ) so it is not a personal issue. It is about the young boy.who receives one as a gift and must reroll dices. Poe at range 1, focus plus TL, only 3 dice, first game. Suboptimal.

I think you're missing the point a bit hexdot.

The starter set is there to 'get you started' its not a 'complete game in a box' like say GW's spacehulk.

This is an interesting point of view. The "Core Set" simply considered as a "Starter Kit". Much like Armada. Rebel Assault is a true "Core Set", much bigger and enjoyable as a one shot gift.

An "Advanced" boxed set could be a fantastic gift purchase. More ships, tokens, dices, play aids...

You may think it is extremely tiny, but Petersen has already confirmed that the Core already sells at a much smaller margin than other expansions. So, every tiny bit helps, especially when you are beginning to look at the scale they are getting at for X-wing.

Heck, I am willing to bet the Falcon would most likely be a $40 ship if it had released later.

As I understand it, most core sets for miniature games is either a very small profit or even a loss.

Quite often they'll make up for the price/model by offering less detailed models or lower quality materials. But there's still the opportunity cost of people not needing to buy those models.

For example Flames of War offers quite a large selection of models for the price. Warmachines core sets are lower quality in general with less options. But you still get models you would otherwise pay more for.

For X-Wing the dice and everything else in the box is effectively free, if you consider that the expansions cost $45 MSRP vs $40 for the core set.

This is an interesting point of view. The "Core Set" simply considered as a "Starter Kit". Much like Armada. Rebel Assault is a true "Core Set", much bigger and enjoyable as a one shot gift.

An "Advanced" boxed set could be a fantastic gift purchase. More ships, tokens, dices, play aids...

And there i totally agree. A box set with a foldaways mat, maybe two 100 point forces with a bit of variety (XXYA for the rebs) and (two tie and interceptor and bomber for the imps) might make a great set.

As I understand it, most core sets for miniature games is either a very small profit or even a loss.

Quite often they'll make up for the price/model by offering less detailed models or lower quality materials. But there's still the opportunity cost of people not needing to buy those models.

For example Flames of War offers quite a large selection of models for the price. Warmachines core sets are lower quality in general with less options. But you still get models you would otherwise pay more for.

For X-Wing the dice and everything else in the box is effectively free, if you consider that the expansions cost $45 MSRP vs $40 for the core set.

Im sure its the same worldwide but the core/starter set in the UK is heavily discounted.

I got my first one for about £24

By contrast two tie fighters cost just two pennies less that that so essentially you're getting an xwing and all the gubbins to play it for free!

Clearly the reason most people buy two core sets, if you're an imperial player its excellent value and even if you're not you can trade ships with people so you're still essentially gettting two or more ships for £24/£25 and also a second set of templates and dice.

I mean I think i've managed to amass about 11 of each die colour and its still having two sets of templates that is actually most useful

As far as I know, the Core / Starter / Introductory sets of every minis game is much cheaper than individual expansions ( look at Infinity and the starter released one or two years ago.

2 X, 4 Tie, 6 red + 6 green, two sets of templates, this is a decent Starter Kit good to play 60 pts games. Include only one rulebook, add a little 4 page play aid, 10-15 aditional upgrade cards ( torpedoes, skills, etc ) and you can sell a big box in the 100 euros range that is a perfect gift.

I have purchased x wing stuff as a gift to young people a couple of times, and allways two Core were included. Some items were duplicated to no use, but dices and templates are not imprescindible, but extremely useful. I love the IA Core because it is a well rounded box, and money well invested