I dont think rebels and clone wars should be cannon.

I meam b wings can one shot an ISD? They are flying both b wings and a wings before ANH when it was shown that a wings didny come around till ESB and bwings showed up around ROTJ

And an A-Wing took out an SSD by running into it in RotJ.

Legends fluff was that those craft were not around. Current fluff is they were, they were just not at Yavin and Hoth, just like Tie Bombers (which we know were around and yet are not seen).

Real life reason none of those ships were in the original movies was budget constraints though.

I dont think rebels and clone wars should be cannon.

I meam b wings can one shot an ISD? They are flying both b wings and a wings before ANH when it was shown that a wings didny come around till ESB and bwings showed up around ROTJ

The Rebel's B-wing was a prototype with (possibly) experimental armaments; and the ship it took out was an Arquiten class frigate, which is more-so a cr90 than an ISD.

Also I don't think that you should take into account which ship is shown in what movies as it went with Lucas's studio's designs and ressources over time, more than following specific timeline goals. Just my 2 Canadian cents

I dont think rebels and clone wars should be cannon.

I meam b wings can one shot an ISD? They are flying both b wings and a wings before ANH when it was shown that a wings didny come around till ESB and bwings showed up around ROTJ

What do your complaints have to do with Clone Wars though? Are you telling me you don't like the violent galaxy spanning politico-war drama with great character arcs and development? I know I do lol

No Bwing one shot an ISD in Rebels. It did knock out an Arquietens class crusier.

You can see the differences here: http://imgur.com/a/HxeLM

The front looks Hammer-head-like, but behind that looks more similar to a Thranta-class

Yea! I love this ship design and I'm happy to see it back in Canon.

The one thing I will get mad at "The Old Republic" for is basically taking Star Wars tech designs (Like the Star Destroyer and The Corvette) and making them nearly the same thousands of years ago. I understand that possibly technological stagnant occurred, especially because most of the Tech in Star Wars is based off a race that's been dead for millennia and maybe they honestly never thought of anything better, but really? KOTOR's capital ships were cool and different enough, I accept a lot of KOTOR's design choices. Though I think blaster tech should have been different too.

The only reason SWTOR's ships should be so close to modern ship designs is because the Palp wanted to make a ship that resembled the old days of the Sith Empire.

I'm expecting to see a lot of this sort of thing. Familiar vehicles and fan favourites becoming canonised. I don;t think Disney wanted to throw the baby out with the bath water, as it were, just provide some more freedom for new stories. Hopefully better stories than Dark Empire...

I'm expecting to see a lot of this sort of thing. Familiar vehicles and fan favourites becoming canonised. I don;t think Disney wanted to throw the baby out with the bath water, as it were, just provide some more freedom for new stories. Hopefully better stories than Dark Empire...

I think folks don't really grasp how much of the EU stuff has seeped out into general Star Wars awareness. I think many people currently involved in the creation of Star Wars content are well versed in things EU.

Hardly the same ship as the one in KotOR. This is an old transport. That was an old cruiser.

They call the CR90 a transport plenty of times during the course of the show, even if you can see it has the main turrets mounted.

Yes, but the Hammerhead was a full on warship in a way the CR-90 wasn't.

I like the idea of reintroducing awesome KotoR stuff with some updated logic to make it seem more relevant. Let's make HK-47, T3-M4 and the Ebon Hawk canon next!

I still don't see what people's problem with technology from thousands of years ago (four thousand, by the way, not one) looking roughly on par with modern Star Wars tech is. We know the galactic civilisation has existed, with faster than light technology, for thousands of years. If they hadn't plateaued then they'd have sublimed by now.

Hardly the same ship as the one in KotOR. This is an old transport. That was an old cruiser.

They call the CR90 a transport plenty of times during the course of the show, even if you can see it has the main turrets mounted.

Yes, but the Hammerhead was a full on warship in a way the CR-90 wasn't.

I like the idea of reintroducing awesome KotoR stuff with some updated logic to make it seem more relevant. Let's make HK-47, T3-M4 and the Ebon Hawk canon next!

I still don't see what people's problem with technology from thousands of years ago (four thousand, by the way, not one) looking roughly on par with modern Star Wars tech is. We know the galactic civilisation has existed, with faster than light technology, for thousands of years. If they hadn't plateaued then they'd have sublimed by now.

Would love to see the Ebon Hawk (and other various freighters) but I'm not sure if I'd want them in Armada or X Wing more. Probably X Wing for the size and ease of using it in other things like the RPG or Imperial Assault.

I love the look of these, so I'd love to see them in Armada...although I think they'd be small based, given their size. I want more medium bases dammit. Give me workhorse designs!

I'm expecting to see a lot of this sort of thing. Familiar vehicles and fan favourites becoming canonised. I don;t think Disney wanted to throw the baby out with the bath water, as it were, just provide some more freedom for new stories. Hopefully better stories than Dark Empire...

I think folks don't really grasp how much of the EU stuff has seeped out into general Star Wars awareness. I think many people currently involved in the creation of Star Wars content are well versed in things EU.

Yup. Dave Filoni of Rebels and The Clone Wars fame also wrote KOTOR. He tried to get Revan in to TCW as a sith spirit but the old George himself wouldn't allow it. I'm sure they're going to be canonising things they like/wrote themselves/grew up with. James Luceno (who's Darth Palageus novel is now non-cannon) carried over a few of the details to the cannon Lords of the Sith book semi-canonising his previous non-canon book Too many canons...

James Luceno (who's Darth Palageus novel is now non-cannon) carried over a few of the details to the cannon Lords of the Sith book semi-canonising his previous non-canon book Too many canons...

Tarkin book actually. Lords of the Sith was written by Paul S. Kemp.

James Luceno (who's Darth Palageus novel is now non-cannon) carried over a few of the details to the cannon Lords of the Sith book semi-canonising his previous non-canon book Too many canons...

Tarkin book actually. Lords of the Sith was written by Paul S. Kemp.

Ah, my bad. Tarkin it was indeed

I'm expecting to see a lot of this sort of thing. Familiar vehicles and fan favourites becoming canonised. I don;t think Disney wanted to throw the baby out with the bath water, as it were, just provide some more freedom for new stories. Hopefully better stories than Dark Empire...

I think folks don't really grasp how much of the EU stuff has seeped out into general Star Wars awareness. I think many people currently involved in the creation of Star Wars content are well versed in things EU.

Yup. Dave Filoni of Rebels and The Clone Wars fame also wrote KOTOR. He tried to get Revan in to TCW as a sith spirit but the old George himself wouldn't allow it. I'm sure they're going to be canonising things they like/wrote themselves/grew up with. James Luceno (who's Darth Palageus novel is now non-cannon) carried over a few of the details to the cannon Lords of the Sith book semi-canonising his previous non-canon book Too many canons...

It is really kind of odd to me. On the one hand they threw it all out. On the other they can't seem to re-print the EU stuff they've just thrown out fast enough with their new "Legends" banner. Marvel comics is furiously re-binding and re-printing new collections of the Dark Horse stuff as well as their own first efforts with Star Wars comics. The book store Star Wars section is fast filling up with new "Legends" branded re-prints. But except for the Star Wars fans in crowds like we have here that EU stuff gets talked about with such disdain.

I'm expecting to see a lot of this sort of thing. Familiar vehicles and fan favourites becoming canonised. I don;t think Disney wanted to throw the baby out with the bath water, as it were, just provide some more freedom for new stories. Hopefully better stories than Dark Empire...

I think folks don't really grasp how much of the EU stuff has seeped out into general Star Wars awareness. I think many people currently involved in the creation of Star Wars content are well versed in things EU.

Yup. Dave Filoni of Rebels and The Clone Wars fame also wrote KOTOR. He tried to get Revan in to TCW as a sith spirit but the old George himself wouldn't allow it. I'm sure they're going to be canonising things they like/wrote themselves/grew up with. James Luceno (who's Darth Palageus novel is now non-cannon) carried over a few of the details to the cannon Lords of the Sith book semi-canonising his previous non-canon book Too many canons...

It is really kind of odd to me. On the one hand they threw it all out. On the other they can't seem to re-print the EU stuff they've just thrown out fast enough with their new "Legends" banner. Marvel comics is furiously re-binding and re-printing new collections of the Dark Horse stuff as well as their own first efforts with Star Wars comics. The book store Star Wars section is fast filling up with new "Legends" branded re-prints. But except for the Star Wars fans in crowds like we have here that EU stuff gets talked about with such disdain.

I know what you mean. I get why they did it. Can you imagine a new movie bound by the continuity restraints of the old EU? It would be a horrible mess. But on the flip side Marvel is making a killing off of Dark Horses former IP. I guess the moral of the story is "if it sells, we'll sell it".

Luckily for many of us old timers; the people at Lucasfilm all grew up on the same Star Wars universe we did so I'd be amazed to see it ALL scrubbed away. Maybe new stories with old familiar planets, characters, vehicles etc. Maybe a mish-mash of old and new to create something not as good as either (Mighty Boosh reference there).

On a side note; something I found particularly interesting was just before TFA was released; Lucasfilm published a map of the galaxy and Rakata Prime was on there. Rakata Prime from KOTOR, the planet you crash on before the final stage of the Star Forge. Up until this was published it had no canon entry in Wookiepedia and is rumoured to be where Luke is (and the first Jedi Temple, as per KOTOR). Little details like this fascinate me as although the new Star Wars does feel new; it's nice to have ties to the things that were part of it as we grew up with it.

I'm expecting to see a lot of this sort of thing. Familiar vehicles and fan favourites becoming canonised. I don;t think Disney wanted to throw the baby out with the bath water, as it were, just provide some more freedom for new stories. Hopefully better stories than Dark Empire...

I think folks don't really grasp how much of the EU stuff has seeped out into general Star Wars awareness. I think many people currently involved in the creation of Star Wars content are well versed in things EU.

Yup. Dave Filoni of Rebels and The Clone Wars fame also wrote KOTOR. He tried to get Revan in to TCW as a sith spirit but the old George himself wouldn't allow it. I'm sure they're going to be canonising things they like/wrote themselves/grew up with. James Luceno (who's Darth Palageus novel is now non-cannon) carried over a few of the details to the cannon Lords of the Sith book semi-canonising his previous non-canon book Too many canons...

Correction, Lucas was all for Revan and Bane showing up but just before filming thought that those force ghosts didn't really add anything to the story.

I'm expecting to see a lot of this sort of thing. Familiar vehicles and fan favourites becoming canonised. I don;t think Disney wanted to throw the baby out with the bath water, as it were, just provide some more freedom for new stories. Hopefully better stories than Dark Empire...

I think folks don't really grasp how much of the EU stuff has seeped out into general Star Wars awareness. I think many people currently involved in the creation of Star Wars content are well versed in things EU.

Yup. Dave Filoni of Rebels and The Clone Wars fame also wrote KOTOR. He tried to get Revan in to TCW as a sith spirit but the old George himself wouldn't allow it. I'm sure they're going to be canonising things they like/wrote themselves/grew up with. James Luceno (who's Darth Palageus novel is now non-cannon) carried over a few of the details to the cannon Lords of the Sith book semi-canonising his previous non-canon book Too many canons...

Correction, Lucas was all for Revan and Bane showing up but just before filming thought that those force ghosts didn't really add anything to the story.

True. It was still GL's decision that ultimately pulled the scene though. Bane made it into the final cut

I really feel like Kylo Ren shows a lot of parallels in terms of powers to Revan. I think Revan or something very close to him will be linked in the whole "Knights of Ren" backstory, due to I feel Snoke and the saber Kylo possesses to be very old sith.

I really feel like Kylo Ren shows a lot of parallels in terms of powers to Revan. I think Revan or something very close to him will be linked in the whole "Knights of Ren" backstory, due to I feel Snoke and the saber Kylo possesses to be very old sith.

Funnily enough; that leads me to another interesting tidbit. According to the TFA Visual Dictionary; Kylo Ren's saber design is from the "Great Purge of Malachor". As in Malachor 5 from KOTOR 2. Another KOTOR planet referenced (sort of) in TFA. You've got me wondering if there's something more to it now

EDIT: sorry, "Great Scourge of Malachor". Not purge.

I'm expecting to see a lot of this sort of thing. Familiar vehicles and fan favourites becoming canonised. I don;t think Disney wanted to throw the baby out with the bath water, as it were, just provide some more freedom for new stories. Hopefully better stories than Dark Empire...

I think folks don't really grasp how much of the EU stuff has seeped out into general Star Wars awareness. I think many people currently involved in the creation of Star Wars content are well versed in things EU.

Yup. Dave Filoni of Rebels and The Clone Wars fame also wrote KOTOR. He tried to get Revan in to TCW as a sith spirit but the old George himself wouldn't allow it. I'm sure they're going to be canonising things they like/wrote themselves/grew up with. James Luceno (who's Darth Palageus novel is now non-cannon) carried over a few of the details to the cannon Lords of the Sith book semi-canonising his previous non-canon book Too many canons...

Correction, Lucas was all for Revan and Bane showing up but just before filming thought that those force ghosts didn't really add anything to the story.

True. It was still GL's decision that ultimately pulled the scene though. Bane made it into the final cut

That's true. However I think Lucas made the right call in regards to the episode and cutting the Sith Lords. In regards to Bane, he looked fantastic in that episode.

On a side note; something I found particularly interesting was just before TFA was released; Lucasfilm published a map of the galaxy and Rakata Prime was on there. Rakata Prime from KOTOR, the planet you crash on before the final stage of the Star Forge. Up until this was published it had no canon entry in Wookiepedia and is rumoured to be where Luke is (and the first Jedi Temple, as per KOTOR). Little details like this fascinate me as although the new Star Wars does feel new; it's nice to have ties to the things that were part of it as we grew up with it.

That planet's not nearly warm enough to be Unknown World!

How much you wanna bet that Starkiller base got it's Star harnessing ideas from the Rakata and that Snoke is someone who knows well of Revan's exploits? (Okay, I won't bet that much because It's wishful thinking but still.)

Omg, Snoke is Revan!

How much you wanna bet that Starkiller base got it's Star harnessing ideas from the Rakata and that Snoke is someone who knows well of Revan's exploits? (Okay, I won't bet that much because It's wishful thinking but still.)

Well, I wouldn't be hugely surprised to see that referred to in some novel or something, but I doubt it'll be touched on in a film. Bit too niche.