I have to say, as much as I like our evil friend the decimator's good looks, it is a pwt, and those things aren't great for your first games. I remember how I felt a bit let down when my friend started playing the falcon, as a pwt changes the game so markedly when you start out. It also starts the arms race (autothrusters, super swarms, twin laser turrets, etc) that are necessary to counter it. When you start, the thrill of the chase and dodge are so strong, it's a shame to bring the 360 pooper to the party...

I too might consider taking the firespray instead. The lambda is also a great choice if you don't mind proxying, as it gives you three or more really solid builds to fly - vader-suicide, emperor buffer, armed to the teeth and engine-upgrading, and naked but for a cheap upgrade - eg tactician or fire control system. It also forces you to learn to pilot ships well, as it has the worst dial in the game! Plus it's beautiful. Finally, imperial aces is a great box to kick off with too, and interceptors are such a lot of fun to play. Still the imperial's signature ship, in my book.

Interesting. In my noobishness, much of this is over my head. I'm sure I'll still like the game with the Falcon, and I won't know what I missed.

The fact remains though, if there's a Millennium Falcon, I have to get it. Who the heck wouldn't??

Ugh. Juke and comm on a EPt capable FO are sooo expensive.

if you just want to match the falcon, not copy it, the Tie/FO is a very stable, maneuverable ship that can keep up with, endure, and kill the Falcon. Juke + relay is your friend

Normal ties, in numbers, can as well, but theyre more frusturatin due to dice related bull

Are you saying the two First Order Ties in the TFA core can take on the Falcon?

not the TFA core; the Tie/FO expansion pack. Juke + Relay is what you are lookin for

now, Juke + Relay versus a naked Falcon? absolutely, ESPECIALLYif you break out one or both of the two Leaders; unless you luck out badly. Naked Falcons are trundlin pinatas of free kills

I really have no idea what that means, lol. But I'll be getting the Falcon and whatever comes with it in the box. I'm guessing whatever comes in the box with it will prevent it from remaining in this vulnerable naked status of which you speak..

Naked = No or minimal upgrades.

Falcon without C3PO and engine upgrade would be considered naked by many.

Naked = No or minimal upgrades.

Falcon without C3PO and engine upgrade would be considered naked by many.

Does C3PO and an engine upgrade come in the Falcon's box?

Engine upgrade yes, C3PO comes with the CR90 - or apparently with a tourney kit.

You'll see references to "fixes" to ships on these forums. The C3PO was widely considered the falcons "fix". Like the TIE Advanced upgrades (x1 card, ATC) in the Raider are considered the "TIE Advanced" fix.

This whole thread reads like how not to talk to a new player. Jargon everywhere!

I suggest checking out the threads on X-wing slang terms. You will eventually get it but it takes time.

This whole thread reads like how not to talk to a new player. Jargon everywhere!

I suggest checking out the threads on X-wing slang terms. You will eventually get it but it takes time.

I'm trying here!

Ugh. Juke and comm on a EPt capable FO are sooo expensive.

not really. Costs the same as a B; imo far more flexible and effective.

these guys can punch it out with aces if you can deal with the higher PS. They absolutely devour lower PS

if you just want to match the falcon, not copy it, the Tie/FO is a very stable, maneuverable ship that can keep up with, endure, and kill the Falcon. Juke + relay is your friend

Normal ties, in numbers, can as well, but theyre more frusturatin due to dice related bull

Are you saying the two First Order Ties in the TFA core can take on the Falcon?

not the TFA core; the Tie/FO expansion pack. Juke + Relay is what you are lookin for

now, Juke + Relay versus a naked Falcon? absolutely, ESPECIALLYif you break out one or both of the two Leaders; unless you luck out badly. Naked Falcons are trundlin pinatas of free kills

I really have no idea what that means, lol. But I'll be getting the Falcon and whatever comes with it in the box. I'm guessing whatever comes in the box with it will prevent it from remaining in this vulnerable naked status of which you speak..

I thought you were referring to strict point costs when going Falcon v two FOs, as two Omega Squadron Juke + Comms Relay FOs are 22 points each for 44 total

44 = naked Lando

with upgrades on the YT, you'll get to upgrade your FOs into named pilots. This is the guy you want

(refer to Rules Reference's "Modifying Dice" to know the extent of Omega Leader's power)

the Tie/FO comes in its own, standalone expansion pack which gives you (imo) the superior "named" (unique) pilots, including Omega Leader, and two incredibly important upgrades for the ship that do not come with the core

the Tie/Fo contained in that expansion pack is a great, versatile little ship that belongs in any imperial collection imo. It's far more limited with only the cards from the core

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/products/x-wing/products/tiefo-fighter-expansion-pack/

To the OP though: http://xwing-builder.co.uk/

I swear by this site, so do many here. It's good for putting together thought experiments and has the card library, so you can put together lists - see what they do.

To the OP though: http://xwing-builder.co.uk/

I swear by this site, so do many here. It's good for putting together thought experiments and has the card library + where each card comes from.

YUP... This is a great site.

Engine upgrade yes, C3PO comes with the CR90 - or apparently with a tourney kit.

You'll see references to "fixes" to ships on these forums. The C3PO was widely considered the falcons "fix". Like the TIE Advanced upgrades (x1 card, ATC) in the Raider are considered the "TIE Advanced" fix.

Okay.

Is my Millennium Falcon, out-of-the-box, going to be decent for casual play?

I swear to God I'm not trying to be condescending by repeating myself, but here's my original question:

I plan on buying:

1 TFA Core

1 Extra Dice

1 Millennium Falcon

and

1 pack of something Imperial that is equivalent to the Millennium Falcon.

I do not plan on printing off proxy cards or upgrades, I'm just looking for a straight-out-of-the box Imperial equivalent to Han's Millennium Falcon. (I suppose if I have to buy a loose card on eBay (can you even do that?) I will, but I just can't stomach printing stuff up.)

Just trying to be clear. No way am I going to understand all the jargon and stuff here, I just want to buy something Imperial that will be fun to play with and won't get blown away by Han Solo every single game.

the Tie/FO comes in its own, standalone expansion pack which gives you (imo) the superior "named" (unique) pilots, including Omega Leader, and two incredibly important upgrades for the ship that do not come with the core

FFG's "business model"

the Tie/FO comes in its own, standalone expansion pack which gives you (imo) the superior "named" (unique) pilots, including Omega Leader, and two incredibly important upgrades for the ship that do not come with the core

FFG's "business model"

no, that's the Tie Advance

the Tie/fo expansion is easily one of the best stand-alones FFG has produced in terms of competitive usability in a self contained package. It gets you all the relevant pilots and the most potent upgrade combination this side of crackshot (or predator for Zeta L, though he still punches just fine with Juke + Relay)

compared to the poor pre-fix Advance or Interceptors in general, where you gotta go card hunting in other packs (assuming you don't just proxy), it's a steal

Engine upgrade yes, C3PO comes with the CR90 - or apparently with a tourney kit.

You'll see references to "fixes" to ships on these forums. The C3PO was widely considered the falcons "fix". Like the TIE Advanced upgrades (x1 card, ATC) in the Raider are considered the "TIE Advanced" fix.

Okay.

Is my Millennium Falcon, out-of-the-box, going to be decent for casual play?

I swear to God I'm not trying to be condescending by repeating myself, but here's my original question:

I plan on buying:

1 TFA Core

1 Extra Dice

1 Millennium Falcon

and

1 pack of something Imperial that is equivalent to the Millennium Falcon.

I do not plan on printing off proxy cards or upgrades, I'm just looking for a straight-out-of-the box Imperial equivalent to Han's Millennium Falcon. (I suppose if I have to buy a loose card on eBay (can you even do that?) I will, but I just can't stomach printing stuff up.)

Just trying to be clear. No way am I going to understand all the jargon and stuff here, I just want to buy something Imperial that will be fun to play with and won't get blown away by Han Solo every single game.

But.. I don't know how to make the equivelant of this for imperials. Phantoms were to 'hard counter' to Han, and they are good out of the 'box'.

It's a simple question that I can't give you a simple answer for. The short answer is "kinda, but it's not optimal". Which is long for no, I suppose.

You can definitely get a C3PO on ebay.

With chewbacca it's ok and doesn't NEED C3PO. Threeps does help though.

The Decimator is fairly self sustaining as a package, esp if you have falcon (engine upgrade).

Another card that the YT1300 really likes is gunner. But that comes with slave 1 or the 2400.

if you can make it to a store championship in your immediate area, theyre basically handin out free-p-os as tournament participation prizes (they are for the top 32 players; we rarely have over 20 locally in any of 4 locations)

show up, have fun havin your ass kicked; walk away havin saved a bit of money

Without 3PO, chewie could still be good... Just not optimal. Could still win a game or two.

This said. If you want my advice, and Fickle's already said as much. Leave the falcon away from your first few games. It can teach you some bad habits.

Hey OP, while the Decimator might be the closest equivalent to the Millennium Falcon, I would actually recommend trying out a Firespray instead. It plays a bit differently to the Decimator but it's a very fun ship, plus it's just that bit more iconic, so it's got that "cool" factor.

Without 3PO, chewie could still be good... Just not optimal. Could still win a game or two.

This said. If you want my advice, and Fickle's already said as much. Leave the falcon away from your first few games. It can teach you some bad habits.

I what I'll do is get the core and play it several times with the other members of my family, all the while the Falcon and Decimator (unless someone can convince me a different pack) will glare at us from the shelf. Then a week later, as a special event, we'll break those baddies out and see what happens.

I think it's great advice to learn the basics first.

Sorry to regress, but the Firespray just looks so awesome. Will the Falcon (out of the box) really destroy it, or can it hang with him?

Plus the firespray has gunner and stealth devices, both awesome.

Hmm... Tough one.

Out of the box vs out of the box i'd say they are about even.

Imperial firespray is pretty weak compared to scum-spray.

I'm starting to see peoples points about starting this game now... Was easy before wave 4.

Without 3PO, chewie could still be good... Just not optimal. Could still win a game or two.

This said. If you want my advice, and Fickle's already said as much. Leave the falcon away from your first few games. It can teach you some bad habits.

I what I'll do is get the core and play it several times with the other members of my family, all the while the Falcon and Decimator (unless someone can convince me a different pack) will glare at us from the shelf. Then a week later, as a special event, we'll break those baddies out and see what happens.

I think it's great advice to learn the basics first.

Sorry to regress, but the Firespray just looks so awesome. Will the Falcon (out of the box) really destroy it, or can it hang with him?

the only problem with the Firespray is poor Boba has a horribly underwhelming ability as an Imperial pilot (not a fan of Krassis either; Kath needs to be built around but can be strong with something like Marksmanship + gunner)

otherwise yeah, the Spray can hang. It's a lot harder to get used to, but it's beefy and hits hard

biggest problem really is the base, which loves to clip on enemy ships and asteroids. I'd honestly start out with small bases before transitioning there (Though the yt-1300 has it infinity easier because it can go anywhere and still have shots regardless of where its arc is pointed)

Firespray comes with the Heavy Laser Cannon (HLC) also. Commonly used power weapon.