ok.... Citadel Cruiser.... By Popular demand... I got some time this afternoon to give it a try. it was difficult because after an exhaustive search online and finding no good reference for it i finally just went off the very tiny image in the source "Edge of the Empire" core book. I included the Lamda as size reference because in the book, they are both listed as being Silhouette 4, but.. I made it slightly larger just because there is a note in the description that says there are two docking clamps capable of dragging two star fighters with it into hyperspace. Now where those are, or what it does with its vertical wings I dont know yet.. One problem at a time. also, on wookiepedia i believe.. they say "its sister ship the Y wing".. this is some of the reason it has more pipes and gear on the outer hull due to its similar design features to the famous star fighter

As of yet i haven't given much thought to the interior but i might get some time to try this weekend if i get some other things done. I may also do some paint schemes just because when i was investigating,

I was going to make a new topic but if i do more of these i may just make a General ship forum post to place them all in later.

Maybe the wings rotate instead of fold?

Ive always thought the side wings rotate to land, and them the ventral wing folds up like the v-9 torrent starship.

Ive always thought the side wings rotate to land, and them the ventral wing folds up like the v-9 torrent starship.

I agree with you and Ebak. either may work, but wasnt on my list of things to figure out today.

I might draw some wings in different positions and post them and see what others think. It would be nice to have a landed Citadel in a hanger to hijack at some point.

spectacular work, Ruakar! Some really nice effects here. I'd be really interested in seeing your method if you ever felt like recording one of your sessions?

I have only one thing recorded... ever.. I will post it. This video time lapse is for an unrelated character and is only the line work and color. not the concepting sadly, sorry.

I paint very loosely (very rough) very much like sculpting, chipping away at the shape, then when i have most of my ideas worked out i do line work and solid color over the concept to clean it up. Doing ships is pretty much the same. I will try and record my next ship which might be that citadel cruiser. or the YT-2400 i started.. The YT was my very first, and I got this far before deciding to do it differently. I could record that as i go back over it.

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Hey Ruakar, thanks for this, very much appreciated. If you do decide to record the process then paint me intrigued! Like everyone else here, looking forward to seeing what else you do!

Ive always thought the side wings rotate to land, and them the ventral wing folds up like the v-9 torrent starship.

I agree with you and Ebak. either may work, but wasnt on my list of things to figure out today.

I might draw some wings in different positions and post them and see what others think. It would be nice to have a landed Citadel in a hanger to hijack at some point.

As an alternate, you COULD take the idea from Kylo Ren's Upsilon class command shuttle, where the wings recess. Though, I still think the rotating is better.

Nice work!

According to Wookiepedia the Citadel is 36 meters versus the Lambda's 20 meters. So probably even bigger than you've put it here?

Given it's somewhat larger size and docking ports, combined with it's stupid wings and the fact every illustration I've ver seen of it has it floating and connected to a baording ramp rather than landed flat, is it possible it can't actually land? If so, don't tell my players as they ran into one landed in a space station just last week. But that bottom wing is huge, I can't see how that can fold up for landing.

The fact it can't land makes no sense, what if you wanted to go to somewhere like Tattooine? There's no landing area for a ship that cannot physically touch the ground. I forgot about the wing under the ship, maybe that folds up but splits into two, so it compacts like an Z. Either that or it has MASSIVE landing skids with an elevator instead of a landing ramp.

Either way, really stupid design.

That wing literally accomplishes nothing. 99% of the time it's pointless (SPACE), and the other 1%, it's aerodynamically terrible. It's obviously massive, so it affects the ship's mass/thrust trim. It makes it impossible to just land the **** ship. And so on.

It's exactly the sort of thing that happens when you let artists design the technological elements of your setting, without either input from engineers or making the artists do some homework first.

If I were running a game right now, I would tell my players to pretend that lower wing does not exist.

Man what a fantastic map! Would love to see more of your creations!

If you're up for other suggestions, I'd love to see what you'd do with a Maka Eekai L4000! They haven't been stated yet but definitely my favourite ship!

http://thebalzan.deviantart.com/gallery/57257708/Uhumele

It's exactly the sort of thing that happens when you let artists design the technological elements of your setting, without either input from engineers or making the artists do some homework first.

Yeah, I hate when RPG designers don't make appointments with NASA to discuss the engineering details of their make-believe starships in their space fantasy setting. So silly.

Man what a fantastic map! Would love to see more of your creations!

If you're up for other suggestions, I'd love to see what you'd do with a Maka Eekai L4000! They haven't been stated yet but definitely my favourite ship!

http://thebalzan.deviantart.com/gallery/57257708/Uhumele

Not sure if you've seen it.

Ruakar, if you ever get the time and inspiration, would you consider doing something bigger? Or imperial? I love your work and would love to see your take on an imperial gozanti in it's 63.8m glory, the VT-49 Decimator and... The CR-90.

It's exactly the sort of thing that happens when you let artists design the technological elements of your setting, without either input from engineers or making the artists do some homework first.

Yeah, I hate when RPG designers don't make appointments with NASA to discuss the engineering details of their make-believe starships in their space fantasy setting. So silly.

Strawman much? There's a lot of space between "who cares it if can land or fly straight , as long as it looks kewl" and "make sure NASA approves".

It's exactly the sort of thing that happens when you let artists design the technological elements of your setting, without either input from engineers or making the artists do some homework first.

Yeah, I hate when RPG designers don't make appointments with NASA to discuss the engineering details of their make-believe starships in their space fantasy setting. So silly.

Strawman much? There's a lot of space between "who cares it if can land or fly straight , as long as it looks kewl" and "make sure NASA approves".

It's a setting with space magic and 70's scifi technology. If it has a funky wing then that's because the design called for a funky wing. Simple as that.

Holding the artists to any kind of IRL engineering standards is patently absurd.

It's exactly the sort of thing that happens when you let artists design the technological elements of your setting, without either input from engineers or making the artists do some homework first.

Yeah, I hate when RPG designers don't make appointments with NASA to discuss the engineering details of their make-believe starships in their space fantasy setting. So silly.

Strawman much? There's a lot of space between "who cares it if can land or fly straight , as long as it looks kewl" and "make sure NASA approves".

It's a setting with space magic and 70's scifi technology. If it has a funky wing then that's because the design called for a funky wing. Simple as that.

Holding the artists to any kind of IRL engineering standards is patently absurd.

And who cares if it can't land or fly in a straight line?

It's exactly the sort of thing that happens when you let artists design the technological elements of your setting, without either input from engineers or making the artists do some homework first.

Yeah, I hate when RPG designers don't make appointments with NASA to discuss the engineering details of their make-believe starships in their space fantasy setting. So silly.

Strawman much? There's a lot of space between "who cares it if can land or fly straight , as long as it looks kewl" and "make sure NASA approves".

It's a setting with space magic and 70's scifi technology. If it has a funky wing then that's because the design called for a funky wing. Simple as that.

Holding the artists to any kind of IRL engineering standards is patently absurd.

And who cares if it can't land or fly in a straight line?

Yeah, who would put the cockpit of a cargo ship way offset from it's center of mass? How do they expect the pilot to fly the **** thing?

Max you are applying too much RL knowledge and assumption to a space opera setting, you're gonna ruin your fun with that. But the Citadel is a tricky ship to be sure. No diea why people like it so much.

I cant see why the Citadel's ventral wing couldn't pivot back when landing. Star Wars' ships are full of pivoting parts...

Like this ship

[edit] ...basically what That Blasted Samophlange wrote about 15 posts above...

But the Citadel is a tricky ship to be sure. No diea why people like it so much.

Its really good and in the core rules.

Its heavily armoured (4 armour + rating 2 shields at the front), heavily armed (3 linked weapons, missile launcher and over sized tractor beam) and pilotable by small group.

I still haven't done the interior of the Citadel. just a couple of sketches that i am letting simmer. The 4000 transport definitely interests me, I would love to take a crack at its interior spaces.

This morning I wanted to take a crack at one of my favorites though, the Firespray. It has so many interesting problems that no cutaway drawing or deck plan really address to my satisfaction. I have decided that its one of the coolest problems with the Star wars universe and if my players ever encounter one or get one them selves i want to be able to help them really understand its interiors. The only way i think it can be understood is to do its floor plans for both Flight and in the landing position separately. I did my own external hull drawing for the landing position first. its this far along and still needs some detail work. (you can see the pilot platform under the canopy in the landing position which is a small portion of deck 2 above deck 1).

I do need to make a deck plans post and stop abusing the poor HWK-290.

well according to the images form Episode 2, the pilot seat doesn't rotate when the Firespray is landed so you have to sit in there in a weirdly reclined position until the ship straightens itself. Or so it appears from the way Boba is sitting in there when he blasts Obi-Wan.

well according to the images form Episode 2, the pilot seat doesn't rotate when the Firespray is landed so you have to sit in there in a weirdly reclined position until the ship straightens itself. Or so it appears from the way Boba is sitting in there when he blasts Obi-Wan.

consider it a Mark 2... according to the book "edge of the empire" Slave one is unique and one of a kind (because Jango destroyed the other 5 out of the 6 total) and every other Firespray that is not Slave one is a second run of development some three decades later with some advances on the design, It leaves a lot of room for interpretation... I did not say i was drawing Slave one.

Blasted Samophlange, I definitely want to try larger ships. especially as maps for adventures, like boarding an imperial light cruiser, or my personal favorite from X wing...

Before i get to this.. I have a lot of other Deck plans to do for things i have already started, plus a few commissions i usually have. Here is just a few that i need to finish. Plus repaint all the star fighters i had done from before that i no longer like.

Man what a fantastic map! Would love to see more of your creations!

If you're up for other suggestions, I'd love to see what you'd do with a Maka Eekai L4000! They haven't been stated yet but definitely my favourite ship! http://thebalzan.deviantart.com/gallery/57257708/Uhumele

While not to promote another's work, there was a good deckplan in one of the wotc book, which can be found online.

Not sure if you've seen it.

Ruakar, if you ever get the time and inspiration, would you consider doing something bigger? Or imperial? I love your work and would love to see your take on an imperial gozanti in it's 63.8m glory, the VT-49 Decimator and... The CR-90.

I have seen that, it's in the Force Unleashed source book, I even did a rudimentary deckplan based on it, I posted that here https://community.fantasyflightgames.com/topic/197359-maka-eekai-l4000-deckplan/#entry1964189. But Ruak's plans would be 1000x better. They're literally a work of art. Plus it's widely inaccurate compared to the art from the originating Dark Times comic.

Blasted Samophlange, I definitely want to try larger ships. especially as maps for adventures, like boarding an imperial light cruiser, or my personal favorite from X wing...

Before i get to this.. I have a lot of other Deck plans to do for things i have already started, plus a few commissions i usually have. Here is just a few that i need to finish. Plus repaint all the star fighters i had done from before that i no longer like.

Really chuffed with the interior of the hwk 1000! Also the other ships look fantastic!