So, Mist Hunter will be out soon, and the Cloaking Device with it.

The Cloaking Device rolls to see if it is discarded at the end of the round.

Evade tokens are discarded in the end phase, which is slightly before the end of the round.

If you equip a Stygium Particle Accelerator, and decloak, you get a free Evade action.

Would the evade token be discarded if you took the free evade action from SPA in response to being forced to decloak at the end of the round?

it seems like a no to me - you take the action after you would discard the token you gain from it. Which also raises fun thoughts about a really unusual bit of mobility adding, since you can potentially use this to trigger PTL and barrel roll at a *really* weird time.

Any thoughts?

So the situation comes down to the wording on Cloaking Device, specifically "At the end of each round"

If At the end of each round happens during the End Phase, you would remove the Evade token as part of the cleanup.

If At the end of each round happens after the End Phase, you wouldn't have to remove the Evade token until the End Phase of the new round.

Other things that happen at the end of the round:

Backup Shield generator

Winning the Game is checked at the end of the round.

Create a new damage deck if both the deck and discard pile are empty.

FFG just hasn't defined if End of the Round happens inside of the End Phase or after it.

What will really bake your brain is if you PTL off that Evade and give yourself a focus token. Then your start your next round and take focus for your action and your sitting on focus x 2 plus an evade.

What will really bake your brain is if you PTL off that Evade and give yourself a focus token. Then your start your next round and take focus for your action and your sitting on focus x 2 plus an evade.

Gotta make up for the Cloaking Device breaking somehow.

Especially since they will be able to see your new position before choosing maneuvers on their dials, which is half the benefit of cloaking lost. Now remember you can't do any action twice during the same turn, no matter what phase it is in. But is it happening outside of a turn? hah.

It would be two different turns as long as they didnt take a focus as part of the normal action in the first round of these two in the example.

I'm thinking it may be a little like Corran killing off Fel's Wraith in the end phase where the Interceptor still gets to stick around for another round despite actually being dead.

I'm thinking it may be a little like Corran killing off Fel's Wraith in the end phase where the Interceptor still gets to stick around for another round despite actually being dead.

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Fel's Wrath is removed the the end of the Combat phase, so if Corran kills him in the End phase, FW isn't removed until the end of the following Combat phase. This is one of those quirky corner cases that just makes no logical sense to me, but that's the way it's intended to work - apparently.

This rubbish about the "end of the round" being after the End phase is another thing that just lacks any substance. The End phase is the final part of the round and all End phase and "end of the round" triggers should take place during the End phase. There simply isn't anything after the End phase.

So if you lose your Illicit Cloaking Device and you do have a SPA, yes you would get a free evade action, and you would get an evade token, but you'd lose it immediately, because that's what happens in the End phase - you remove focus and evade tokens!

This rubbish about the "end of the round" being after the End phase is another thing that just lacks any substance. The End phase is the final part of the round and all End phase and "end of the round" triggers should take place during the End phase. There simply isn't anything after the End phase.

If FF want an effect to take place in the End phase, they say it takes place in the End phase, not at the end of the round.

This rubbish about the "end of the round" being after the End phase is another thing that just lacks any substance. The End phase is the final part of the round and all End phase and "end of the round" triggers should take place during the End phase. There simply isn't anything after the End phase.

If FF want an effect to take place in the End phase, they say it takes place in the End phase, not at the end of the round.

This rubbish about the "end of the round" being after the End phase is another thing that just lacks any substance. The End phase is the final part of the round and all End phase and "end of the round" triggers should take place during the End phase. There simply isn't anything after the End phase.

If FF want an effect to take place in the End phase, they say it takes place in the End phase, not at the end of the round.

My suspicion is that it's intended to happen in the end phase but they've just not used consistent terminology. Or not considered the interaction with SPA, but I'd hope to goodness they would have remembered the thing that was included in the Phantom that barely sees use because there's a better option for Phantoms...

If they'd intended it to be possible to get the free decloak and keep the cloak token, it would have been easy to make the Cloaking Device failure check happen at the start of the round rather than the end...

I dunno, as is probably clear I'm hoping the Evade action happens after the token would be discarded, purely because it would mitigate the suckiness of discarding the cloaking device, but I'm not sure the argument stands up.

At he end of the round comes after During the End phase. Each phase has a start, during and end part in that order. At the end of the End phase and the end of the round would be the same timing, but during the end phase has already passed.

There are plenty of other abilities that let's focus and evade tokens carry over to the next phase, so I don't see why someone would have a problem with a single ship getting an evade token after other tokens were cleared.

I suggest you read the Cloaking Device card again, because that triggers "at the end of the round".

You don't say.

I know what the card says. I'm pointing out that if FF had wanted it to trigger in the End phase, they could've written " At the start of the End phase" like Corran Horn, and even added "after other abilities have resolved" like the regular decloak (or whatever it is that does that).

Again, I am aware of what the card says, and I am pointing out that what it says is different from what existing cards say, and thus can reasonably be expected to behave differently from those cards.

A round has phases, one of which is the end phase. Since the round has multiple phases, the round wouldnt end until all phases are completed, included the end phase. Pretty simple.

When someone tells you to sit at the end of the bus, do you go to the back seat, or exit walk around the back and sit on the bumper?

When you are modeling clothes for your significant other and they ask for you to turn around so they can see your rear end, do you show them your pants bottom, or do you pull your drawers down?

Either scenario is perfectly applicable to this situation!

Neither scenario has anything to do with the definitions of phases in x-wing to do.

But I said that they did, so they do.