Especially after changing the damage deck with the New Order release, I cannot understand why FFG does not sell a tournament damage deck for tournament play. It cannot be too expensive and I am sure everyone on the tournament circuit will buy it. But it will stop the confusion about damage decks.

For store championship tournament you should have it. For regionals AND especially nationals and up it should be part of the entrance package. Maybe for regionals part of the entrance fee.

But here we have two different decks and a lot of confusion.

So sell a yearly tournament damage deck with different backing, also for bragging rights, etc. It adds to sales and for those who do not need it, then they do NOT have to buy it, i.e. Casual gamers. Make it cheap enough for the tournament season and nobly will complain, except for people on this forum.

What confusion ? Use whichever deck you have and want to use. Both are 100% legal.

I'm just hoping that they eventually phase out the old deck somehow. Right now it's just a question of "Which deck will hurt me the least?" Flying TLTs or aces? Grab the new deck. Flying a generic swarm? Grab the old deck and laugh as you draw those Injured Pilots, Munitions Failures and Minor Hull Breaches.

I don't know about anyone else, but I fully plan on using the new deck regardless of which deck would go better with my list. FFG clearly wanted the new deck to replace the old one, but cry babies whined so loudly that they decided to say "F it... If y'all don't want a good gaming experience, then why should we bother to provide one?" But I want a good gaming experience, so I will play as FFG intended. I can only hope my opponent sees things the same way.

I don't know about anyone else, but I fully plan on using the new deck regardless of which deck would go better with my list. FFG clearly wanted the new deck to replace the old one, but cry babies whined so loudly that they decided to say "F it... If y'all don't want a good gaming experience, then why should we bother to provide one?" But I want a good gaming experience, so I will play as FFG intended. I can only hope my opponent sees things the same way.

Bottom line though, their both legal, so your opponent may use whatever he/she desires. Even if they get there good gaming experience with the old deck and wipe you off the board.

I don't know about anyone else, but I fully plan on using the new deck regardless of which deck would go better with my list. FFG clearly wanted the new deck to replace the old one, but cry babies whined so loudly that they decided to say "F it... If y'all don't want a good gaming experience, then why should we bother to provide one?" But I want a good gaming experience, so I will play as FFG intended. I can only hope my opponent sees things the same way.

My sentiments exactly, I sincerely hope that FFG will one day make the new deck a requirement, it was re balanced and reintroduced, it makes that work pointless if you can just choose which deck will effect you the least.

I am sure the new deck will be required next year. But why not just make a tourney deck. They can change it yearly etc. so much more fun.

Heck one year I would sneak in a card that reads total kill remove from board as a critical. Just to spice it up and as a single card it is not too much for the game.

Any criticals other players want in the game?

They never should have introduced the new damage deck if they weren't going to stick to their guns and make it replace the old deck.

They never should have introduced the new damage deck if they weren't going to stick to their guns and make it replace the old deck.

Ok, but they did so where do they go from here? No more should it's. Let's move forward.

I would like to see the New Damage Deck replace the old one in OT Core sets. Let's just have the old deck slowly become a relic. In a year, make the new one mandatory. Let anyone who wants a new deck mail in an old one.

Has anyone seen a good comparative breakdown of the two decks and their benefits and drawbacks for different kinds of lists?

Most people seemed to favour the old deck, but I didn't catch why.

I've only played a handful of games since the second deck dropped. Some of them were Dash + Jan/Miranda/etc. builds, and I believe I voluntarily went with the new deck because it lacked the "lost your secondary weapon" crit, which is game-over for Super Dash.

I also hope they issue the updated deck with the original Core Set the next time it gets reprinted.

They should also consider requiring the newer deck at the higher levels of competition and if need be make them available at those events to people who don't have them.

I'm just hoping that they eventually phase out the old deck somehow. Right now it's just a question of "Which deck will hurt me the least?" Flying TLTs or aces? Grab the new deck. Flying a generic swarm? Grab the old deck and laugh as you draw those Injured Pilots, Munitions Failures and Minor Hull Breaches.

Well I'm hoping that at the premier level (Regionals, Nationals, Worlds) FFG will provide a new damage deck to all participants. As far as store tournaments not meeting this requirement is okay after all store tournaments are only competitive level play not premier level. Those that are serious about practicing for premier level play would have the new damage deck by now and will play it no mater if it would affect them more or less.

Also as to old damage deck vs new, and official tournament deck can mix and match the Frits from both decks and add new crits. Heck, maybe even change them yearly.

Has anyone seen a good comparative breakdown of the two decks and their benefits and drawbacks for different kinds of lists?

Most people seemed to favour the old deck, but I didn't catch why.

I've only played a handful of games since the second deck dropped. Some of them were Dash + Jan/Miranda/etc. builds, and I believe I voluntarily went with the new deck because it lacked the "lost your secondary weapon" crit, which is game-over for Super Dash.

http://s93768914.onlinehome.us/xwing/crits.html#has the details of the old and new crits.

It's hard to make a generic statement about who likes or dislikes the new deck besides "The new deck is more fair to everyone, on average". Here's the breakdown of what changed.

• Damaged Sensor Array in the new deck affects actions you get from Upgrade cards, so it hurts ships that use stuff like Expose and Marksmanship. The old one would still let you use those actions.
• The new Major Explosion causes crits, which is just strictly more deadly than the old Minor Explosion, which only caused hits.
• The new Major Hull Breach makes all future hits against you into crits, which is much more dangerous for high hull ships than the old Minor Hull breach, which just did damage to you if you did a red maneuver.
• Loose Stabilizer (stress from white maneuvers) replaces Munitions Failure. Munitions Failure was deadly to ships that depended on secondary weapons and meaningless to everyone else. Loose Stabilizer is more harmful to ships with bad dials and less harmful to ships with good dials.
• The new Weapons Failure affects all weapons, whereas the old Weapons Malfunction only affected primaries. Ships with secondary turrets loved Weapons Malfunction because it did nothing to them. Weapons Failure is more fair to everyone.
• The new Blinded Pilot is less dangerous because you can flip it down even if there was nothing to shoot at. It also doesn't let you trigger Gunner, which the old one allowed. So the new one is more dangerous to Gunner/Luke ships.
• The old Injured Pilot (lose pilot ability and EPT upgrade) was deadly to aces but meaningless to generics. It was replaced by Shaken Pilot (no straights), which is a weak crit against almost every pilot.

Also as to old damage deck vs new, and official tournament deck can mix and match the Frits from both decks and add new Frits. Heck, maybe even change them yearly.

Not sure what you mean by frits, do you mean crits?

Well to answer that the new damage deck has a different card back from the old one so NO you cannot swap damage cards even if you keep 7 direct hits in the damage deck.

Now as for a unique damage deck only for tournament play doesn't make that much sense because they already have a deck that is mass production for the new core set. Not to mention they can make extras to hand out on premiere tournaments.

Now I had wanted to try increasing the damage deck using non-transparent sleeves just to see how a larger damage deck will work even with more direct hits but I haven't found any and most of all not too many other players around me want to try and tweak core elements or even house rule this game.

I'm just hoping that they eventually phase out the old deck somehow. Right now it's just a question of "Which deck will hurt me the least?" Flying TLTs or aces? Grab the new deck. Flying a generic swarm? Grab the old deck and laugh as you draw those Injured Pilots, Munitions Failures and Minor Hull Breaches.

It's not like even the new damage deck is immune to stuff you can just entirely ignore. I fondly remember all the occasions flying a Decimator when I've drawn 'reduce agility by 1' crits...

I would like to see the New Damage Deck replace the old one in OT Core sets. Let's just have the old deck slowly become a relic. In a year, make the new one mandatory. Let anyone who wants a new deck mail in an old one.

This is why I don't expect the old deck to become illegal for tournaments. It would make a part of the old core set obsolete, and I don't think they want to do that. Nor do I think they're willing to change the content of the old core set. So the current situation is likely to remain in place.

If I am understanding you correctly.. If you are asking them to sell cards packaged (in a custom build), then I disagree with your proposal.

For a long time now I have been trying to propose the best way to get more players in to X-Wing TMG, and to encourage experimentation, is by enabling custom ordering. Lets say for an example you can pick up to 6 cards of your choosing (from any wave) for $15. That would reduce costs. Some cards come from expansions that can be $50 or more. By allowing custom ordering, you give the players exactly what they want, and in a way they can appreciate.

Personally me I don't need anymore models. I just need the Cards to be able to experiment more, or expand up my own builds. I would rather pay $15 per custom pack, than spend about $100 just trying to get 1 card from each expansion.

That is just me.

They should also consider requiring the newer deck at the higher levels of competition and if need be make them available at those events to people who don't have them.

They did exactly that at Worlds 2015.

FFG clearly wanted the new deck to replace the old one, but cry babies whined so loudly that they decided to say "F it... If y'all don't want a good gaming experience, then why should we bother to provide one?"

My gaming experiences were just fine, thank you! Of course I have no objections for an "improved" experience but said "F... it!" when that would require me to purchase $40 bucks of stuff I didn't want or otherwise need. If decks were sold separately, as suggested, I'd be all in.

Hugely disappointed in the ruling to allow both decks still, but they could make it a lot better if you choose a deck at the beginning of a tournament much like asteroids and assigned it to your opponents. That way people aren't picking the deck that will hurt them least and their argument for increased strategy options actually has some weight. Flying a list that's a little weak against swarms? Pick the new deck to help out a little. Worried about Soontir and Co? Pick the old deck.

I threw out all my old decks when they told me the new one was the only legal one. So it's not a problem for me, since I only have new decks.

They should have just sold new decks separately for 6-10 dollars or something and said if you want to come to the tournament scene you have to buy one.

Bragging rights? As in, "Look at the $5 stack of paper rectangles that I bought," bragging rights?