Omega Leader and dice modification

By balindamood, in X-Wing Rules Questions

Does a re-roll ability, such as TL, count as a modufication? Focus obviously does, but you are not really modifying by rolling again.

Re-rolls are dice modifications

​But not all dice modifications are re-rolls.

To wit: You may modify a single die as many times as you are able though other means (unless Omega Leader's involved), but only one of those may be a re-roll.

The list of game effects that are considered as dice modifications are listed on page 5 of the rules reference - they form part of the step-by-step process you follow in the attack sequence, and define the relevant terms - I've bolded the relevant bit.

3. Modify Attack Dice:

The defender can resolve any card abilities that allow him to modify the attack dice.

Then the attacker can modify his attack dice in one or more of the following ways as many times as possible:

• Focus: The attacker can spend a focus token tochange all of his [focus] results to [Hit] results.
• Target Lock: The attacker can spend a target lock he has on the defender to reroll any number
of his attack dice.

• Card Ability: The attacker can resolve a card ability that modifies attack dice and that he has not already resolved during this attack.

Edited by Funkleton

The bigger question is: Does OL shoot himself in the foot as far as HLC is concerned?

Does OL also cancel Accuracy Corrector?

Does OL also cancel Accuracy Corrector?

Accuracy Corrector adds results to the roll, which is a modification, so yes Omega Leader would indeed cancel Accuracy Corrector.

Note that the cancelation of accuracy corrector's dice doesn't count as a modification, just the addition of new results.

So, in a tournament, accuracy corrector can still be activated......... it just results in 0 red dice.

I do not see how an addition of a die result, be it an evade token, a critical hit from ATC, or similar, count as a "mmodification". When it comes to things like blaster turret, they are considered additional die results.

I do not see how an addition of a die result, be it an evade token, a critical hit from ATC, or similar, count as a "mmodification". When it comes to things like blaster turret, they are considered additional die results.

Adding dice is considered a modification of the results as per page 13:

MODIFYING DICE

Players can modify dice by spending focus, evade, and target lock tokens and by resolving card abilities. Dice can be modified in the following ways:

Add: To add a die result, place an unused die displaying the result next to the rolled dice. A die added in this way is treated as a normal die for all purposes and can be modified and canceled.

Change: To change a die result, rotate the die so that its faceup side displays the new result.

Reroll: To reroll a die result, pick up the die and roll it again.

• Dice can be modified by multiple effects, but a die

cannot be rerolled more than once.

Once you've rolled your dice, any change to those results is deemed to be some form of modification.

Edited by Parravon

I do not see how an addition of a die result, be it an evade token, a critical hit from ATC, or similar, count as a "mmodification". When it comes to things like blaster turret, they are considered additional die results.

Because, rules.

What about R4-B11? just watched a game where this came up. If the attacker is locked by Omega Leader and also has Omega leader locked, can the attacker spend his TL to make the player flying Omega Leader re-roll their defense dice?

Omega Leader's ability seems to specify that the enemy ship cannot do the modifying, but R4-B11 seems to be pretty clear that it is forcing YOU to modify YOUR OWN dice. Could this still work if Omega Leader has you TL'd?

What about R4-B11? just watched a game where this came up. If the attacker is locked by Omega Leader and also has Omega leader locked, can the attacker spend his TL to make the player flying Omega Leader re-roll their defense dice?

Omega Leader's ability seems to specify that the enemy ship cannot do the modifying, but R4-B11 seems to be pretty clear that it is forcing YOU to modify YOUR OWN dice. Could this still work if Omega Leader has you TL'd?

That looks like it sneaks around them.

What about R4-B11? just watched a game where this came up. If the attacker is locked by Omega Leader and also has Omega leader locked, can the attacker spend his TL to make the player flying Omega Leader re-roll their defense dice?

Omega Leader's ability seems to specify that the enemy ship cannot do the modifying, but R4-B11 seems to be pretty clear that it is forcing YOU to modify YOUR OWN dice. Could this still work if Omega Leader has you TL'd?

That looks like it sneaks around them.

Where can I get confirmation from FFG about this one? Is there a rules email or would they confirm it via posting on this forum?

What about R4-B11? just watched a game where this came up. If the attacker is locked by Omega Leader and also has Omega leader locked, can the attacker spend his TL to make the player flying Omega Leader re-roll their defense dice?

Omega Leader's ability seems to specify that the enemy ship cannot do the modifying, but R4-B11 seems to be pretty clear that it is forcing YOU to modify YOUR OWN dice. Could this still work if Omega Leader has you TL'd?

Omega Leader: "Enemy ships that you have locked cannot modify any dice when attacking you..."

R4-B11 takes place during the Attacker Modifies Defense dice step and is forcing a reroll on Omega Leader, which is a modification.

So, I don't think it's possible.

But you can email FFG directly. Click on this link: https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/contact/rules/

What about R4-B11? just watched a game where this came up. If the attacker is locked by Omega Leader and also has Omega leader locked, can the attacker spend his TL to make the player flying Omega Leader re-roll their defense dice?

Omega Leader's ability seems to specify that the enemy ship cannot do the modifying, but R4-B11 seems to be pretty clear that it is forcing YOU to modify YOUR OWN dice. Could this still work if Omega Leader has you TL'd?

Omega Leader: "Enemy ships that you have locked cannot modify any dice when attacking you..."

R4-B11 takes place during the Attacker Modifies Defense dice step and is forcing a reroll on Omega Leader, which is a modification.

So, I don't think it's possible.

But you can email FFG directly. Click on this link: https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/contact/rules/

K, emailed FFG about it. I'll try and remember to post here if I get a clarification!

What about wedge latts and outmaneuver vs o leader?

Also I'll add Wampa and palp to that list.

What I'd it's not latts or palp that targetlocked?

Edited by killerbeardhawk

What about wedge latts and outmaneuver vs o leader?

Wedge doesn't modify a dice he reduces the target's agility, same for Outmaneuver.

Laetin also does nothing to modify dice, but rather gives you an evade token if your not hit.

Also I'll add Wampa and palp to that list.

Palpatine would depend on if the ship he was on wa the one locked or not. If not then he could, if he was on the ship that was locked then no.

Wampa cancels dice, and IIRC canceling dice is not the same thing as modifying them.