This question may have already been answered on the old forum, but since I can't get to it anymore, I figured I would ask here. Flowing Gale Hook successfully deals damage and the check for the effect is successful. Two attacks are placed in the card pool. The first attack to be resolved has a multiple ability. If the multiple ability is used, are the multiple copies placed after the second attack or before it?

Flowing Gale Hook E: If this attack deals damage, make a control check against a difficulty of 5. If you succeed, you may play two attacks of printed difficulty 4 or less from your hand (no control check necessary).

any multiple copies will be added to the immediate right of the attack that generated them, so they will slip in between your attacks and resolve before the next attack played by FGH.

I thought attacks were resolved in the order they were played, so even if you played multiples off the FGH both of the attacks played via FGH would resolve before the multiple(s) of the first FGH attack resolved.

Similar to if I attack you with an attack with multiple, and you block the first one and reversal with a Nova's Combo and use the multiple on the Nova's Combo, you're NC multiples will resolve before the multiples from my original attack.

Also, it doesn't say "immediatly to the right of". If those can insert themselves into the middle of the cardpool, why can't NSS's face down cards be placed immediatly to the right of the attack they're enhancing? Hell, it says "...add it to your card pool..." it doesn't say where. It's not being played, I still don't quite grok that ruling.

The multiple enhance text in the TR says "The player places each momentum discarded to pay for this ability into their card pool to the right of the multiple attack." So yes, the ability does tell you where to add the cards. If an ability doesn't specify, add them in the next slot to the right.

And yeah, attacks are basically resolved in the order they're played, but the multiple copies are in a way a part of the attack that created them. also, saying "resolve in the order they're played" doesn't even apply to multiple copies, as they aren't played .

Tagrineth said:

You make it too easy Tag... "to the right of the multiple attack" strikes me as the kind of slightly-verbose diction that characterized the TR/early cards, and could simply be ignored - "The player places each discarded momentum into their card pool as a printed copy of the multiple attack." If your card pool is Slot 1:FGH 2:multiple attack 3:Clones, why shouldn't Multiple attack go to Slot 4, which is still "to the right of the multiple attack". IIRC you can only rearrange the cards in your pool if an ability specifically allows you to (a la Temperence), and I know of nothing in the TR that explicitly allows Multiple copies to shift cards that have already entered the card pool.

Well, that's how it was explained by Dave, the guy who invented said abilities in the first place. It says "to the right of the multiple attack" so that's where you put them.

Right. The same guy who couldn't differentiate between "Preceding" and "Immediately preceding".

When I add a card to the right end of my card pool, you can look at every preceding card in my card pool and say "He placed the card to the right of card X".

If I have 3 cards in my card pool (call them A, B, and C) and I place a fourth (D) to the right of all three cards, it is to the right of A & B but only "immediatly to the right" of C.

I don't see why you can rearrange the card pool with multiple or Mentally unstable, but not with Night Side Stance.

I'd also really like to understand where your explanation of the order of resolution of attacks is coming from. Multiples don't actually specify very clearly when they resolve. The common interpretation is that they resolve aproximatly after the attack that generated them has finished resolving, however if you were to read the rules very strictly, you could easily come to the conclusion that they resolve before your opponent's next enhance on the attack they are copying.

Sure, whatever. You know. An ability that worked fine for 11 expansions with a card from the 4th one, that was explained back when said card came out, and you're whining about it now?

Also, Jonathan whipped out a frigging dictionary definition for Preceding that works like "immediately preceding". Because, you know, the last time that came up - in that case, it was actually in a thread where it was remotely relevant - he clarified that quite well.

But feel free to keep digging up stuff that still works fine, since, you know, there's nothing wrong with the explanation as given, but you're still the god of nitpickers.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/preceding

pre⋅ced⋅ing

–adjective that precedes; previous: Refer back to the footnote on the preceding page.

One of many examples of dictionary definitions that work fine for the purpose of, say, Ready for Anything.

But please, keep derailing this Q&A thread. Please.

It's only derailment if it's irrelevant, which this is not. The original question was asking about resolution order and card pool placement in some tricky situations.

There's a bit of a difference between Preceding and preceded. Jonathan Ledezema spoke with dave and then made a ruling on the card based on the understanding that the card said preceding. It does not, it says preceded. "The last reply in the thread was preceded by the posts before it." All of the posts in this thread that have already been made precede this post. Your post is the preceding post. The original post preceds this post, and is a preceding post, but is not the preceding post. English Usage, Tag, learn it.

http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ufsforums/posts/list/3759.page#73149

" So after checking with Dave, preceding means before, following order, rank, which means if it was card 4 it references card 3, order/rank/before."

I pointed as much out and my post was deleted. Also the thread was locked.

We're on new forums, with a slight change in forum overlords. You, Gou and Anti are still the frontmen, but maybe, just maybe, Hata or the others at FFG will be willing to see a little more sense.

Or then again, my post may just get deleted.

pre·cede

Note #2, #3, and #4.

edit: note that in the case of Ready for Anything, it says "preceded by a non-attack card", which means preceded is given an object and can thus refer to order or rank. It is not common usage but it is in fact correct usage whether you like it or not, aslum .

also, don't think that insult has gone unnoticed.

If you're talking about the "English usage..." bit, it wasn't meant as an insult, rather, a suggestion.

While preceding and preceded both have the same root, they do mean subtly different things.