Just making sure we played this right today,

so my opponent flew a TIE/FO just short of an asteroid, I tried to talon roll Ello Asty in front of him, but misjudged and landed on the asteroid, since I didn't have a shot because I was on the asteroid, I then moved Ello as far to the front as possible bumping the TIE, so neither of us had a shot at each other. Think it's a legal move, and there's nothing in the rules that says you can't do it, but we did have a bit of a WTF moment so, just want to double check

If the ship doesn't clear your opponents , it moves along the template to the point of bumping and then stops facing forward and still gains stress. Since you don't have the template down, i cant be 100 prevent sure, but from the image, it looks like you did it wrong.

Nm, i see the template now. You wouldn't be considered bumping in that situation. Your ship would face forward with the template, receive stress, and be stuck on the asteroid. It wouldn't complete the rotate ship step.

I'm pretty sure you would not be overlapping even if you move your talon-roll move until the bases are touching - I think only an incomplete move can cause overlapping ships, and you were able to complete the move (I think).

Not possible to hit the TIE that way. There's a legal completion for the Tallon Roll. You'd need the TIE to block the end of the template itself.

That TIE got ya bad.

Nm, i see the template now. You wouldn't be considered bumping in that situation. Your ship would face forward with the template, receive stress, and be stuck on the asteroid. It wouldn't complete the rotate ship step.

Why would it not complete the rotation? The end of the move (i.e. The template) is not blocked - he can legally complete the move, including turning his ship the direction indicated in the picture. The only way he would not complete the rotation is if the TIE were in a position where the x-wing could not legally be placed at the end of the template - the TIE would need to be at least a full move forward in order to block the rotation.

Sorry. I was thinking of bumping and applying the same rule. Yes you complete the talon roll, but the ships arent touching.

"Bumping" is not even a game term. You didn't overlap the ship, and therefore none of those rules come into play.

If two ship bases are in contact, that doesn't make them "Touching" for game purposes. In the rules reference, "Two ships are touching if one ship overlapped the other ship while executing a maneuver and their bases are touching as a result." So it only counts if you ended up touching as a result of overlapping during a maneuver -- just being in contact by landing exactly next to another ship isn't good enough.

It's confusing of them to redefine the term "Touching" that way, but the rules are at least clear about it.

Doesnt need to be in the rules to be a common game term. Were you actually confused by the meaning behind bumping?

While the maneuver can be completed with you sitting on the rock the only way to prevent two adjacent ships from attacking is if they are involved in an overlap situation. You can not slide your ship into such a position when performing your talon roll than you could performing a barrel roll.

Rules Reference Booklet, page 6; Bearing, point 2 (after Stationary) states:

" When a ship executes a Tallon Roll, it must avoid overlapping other ships if possible. If the ship cannot avoid overlapping another ship, it does not rotate 90 degrees at the end of the template."

You could complete the rotation but you could not move forward with the base to cause it to overlap to cause a "touching".

You have to overlap to cause a touching condition but cannot overlap with your Tallon Roll to cause the touching as you would be forced to undo the 90 degree facing change.

In your case above, the TIE fighter has a point blank range 1 shot on Ello Asty and Ello has no shot.

This situation comes up with Barrel Rolls as well and has the same restriction. You have to overlap to cause touching to get no shot but can't overlap with a barrel roll or else it is an illegal barrel roll; and now Tallon Rolls as well.

thanks guys, see now that we played it wrong, somehow missed point 2 in the rules reference

thanks guys, see now that we played it wrong, somehow missed point 2 in the rules reference