i want to understand your rant... Why are you complaining about 4cents? You buy at the LGS which appears to be the entity they are supporting, so you are no longer going to buy from them?

Sorry I have no idea why you complained.

Another way to look at it is this: I depend on (for example) Amazon for far more things than I depend on the LGS to provide. If I have to choose where to put my money because FFG/ANA is messing about with retailers' profit margins, then I logically have to choose Amazon because their performance impacts me far more.

Not to mention that the selection is much better and Amazon doesn't moan about having to make special orders.

Right now, I can justify paying the extra expense (and trivial premium) because it's a choice. I can choose the discount, or I can support local businesses. Each gives me certain rewards (feeling good about myself, having more money, product selection, purchase timing, etc.). But when those rewards are altered, I (as a rational consumer) have to adjust my purchasing habits. Remove the discount, and I have to re-evaluate my reasons for purchasing from each entity knowing that the company that I depend on more is now less profitable and the company that provides me minimal (or no) benefit is now better rewarded for no additional value provided.

I honestly don't understand what you are trying to say. Why wouldn't you just keep ordering from Amazon? Why would Amazon necessarily make less profit? Amazon may actually make more, if the price goes up but there is still a discount over MSRP, which there most likely will be. It's true their volume may decrease with a price increase, but they have such a large discount now if it went to say, 20% as has been said instead I would think they would be just fine. I don't understand why or how your ability to choose where to buy goes away.

I think the ones complaining are the people who still live in their parents basement with little or no income. Get a job and wake up to the real world. Do you complain this much when bread and milk prices inflate?

You know hurling insults only makes your arguments look weaker, people with a valid stance don't need to hurl abuse.

Well they'll be making less money then as people vote with their wallets.

Tell me, with all honesty, that you will stop buying X-wing because the online discounts are smaller...

BTW. in Poland X-wing prices are generally the same between brick & mortar and online stores, the difference is about 10% and usually less. As a result, I don't bother with online stores, but buy in my LGS where I play, because it's more convenient and I am making sure I will have a place to play.

@strawhat

So your argument is "because they can't solve one problem they should not solve any problems"

Well they'll be making less money then as people vote with their wallets.

Tell me, with all honesty, that you will stop buying X-wing because the online discounts are smaller...

Some people will buy less because they are angry at FFG for this price increase.

Other people will buy less simply because their x $ now get them less (and they will buy less rather than increase their budget).

I have a hard time imagining anyone buying more in the wake of this.

Therefore it's highly likely FFG will sell less x-wing as a result of this move. What remains to be seen is whether the increase in profit margin (since apparently they will charge their distrubutors more, at least for stuff going to online shops) or any other long term benefit Asmodee hopes for will outweigh the loss in volume.

Well they'll be making less money then as people vote with their wallets.

Tell me, with all honesty, that you will stop buying X-wing because the online discounts are smaller...

BTW. in Poland X-wing prices are generally the same between brick & mortar and online stores, the difference is about 10% and usually less. As a result, I don't bother with online stores, but buy in my LGS where I play, because it's more convenient and I am making sure I will have a place to play.

Stop buying no but certainly I may very well spend less than before.

Where I used to buy two of each small ship I may just buy one that's a 50% drop in sales which is nothing in itself but if enough people do the same that's gonna hurt.

I don't have a local shop to buy from, I've never played in a store because there are none local so it leaves a bad taste when I'm asked to pay more for nothing.

I didn't stand for it with 40k a game I played 20 years I won't stand for it with x-wing.

I went to my FLGS last night, and they seem to think their costs for X-wing will be going up in April. They're a brick and mortar, no-web sales store. I'm hoping the are wrong, but if that truly is the case I don't see how they'll be more competitive against online vendors. I'm betting they may be getting their stock from someone upstream that is losing their margin.

It could be worse, though. They're dumping Star Trek Attack Wing ships, two for one. It's evidently dead in our area.

I think the ones complaining are the people who still live in their parents basement with little or no income. Get a job and wake up to the real world. Do you complain this much when bread and milk prices inflate?

Just seems even stranger that people feel compelled to complain about the complainers.

I think the ones complaining are the people who still live in their parents basement with little or no income. Get a job and wake up to the real world. Do you complain this much when bread and milk prices inflate?

You know hurling insults only makes your arguments look weaker, people with a valid stance don't need to hurl abuse.

I did say I was a troll. I know for a fact I'm not the one looking weak when I can afford a 14$ for a toy

I think the ones complaining are the people who still live in their parents basement with little or no income. Get a job and wake up to the real world. Do you complain this much when bread and milk prices inflate?

Just seems even stranger that people feel compelled to complain about the complainers.

I think the ones complaining are the people who still live in their parents basement with little or no income. Get a job and wake up to the real world. Do you complain this much when bread and milk prices inflate?

You know hurling insults only makes your arguments look weaker, people with a valid stance don't need to hurl abuse.

I did say I was a troll. I know for a fact I'm not the one looking weak when I can afford a 14$ for a toy

Then you've missed the point it's about perceived value for money not what people can afford.

I think the ones complaining are the people who still live in their parents basement with little or no income. Get a job and wake up to the real world. Do you complain this much when bread and milk prices inflate?

Just seems even stranger that people feel compelled to complain about the complainers.

I think the ones complaining are the people who still live in their parents basement with little or no income. Get a job and wake up to the real world. Do you complain this much when bread and milk prices inflate?

You know hurling insults only makes your arguments look weaker, people with a valid stance don't need to hurl abuse.

I did say I was a troll. I know for a fact I'm not the one looking weak when I can afford a 14$ for a toy

Then you've missed the point it's about perceived value for money not what people can afford.

And as I've said, the current perceived value for money is a distorted view, it's a selfish all about me attitude and people complaining they are getting less of a discount. A discount... A freaking discount.

So far.... Wait let me just say this first. I love america, American sports American culture. I follow the Pittsburgh Penguins religiously and the New England Patriots. So don't shoot me down for saying that Americans in general have an "all about me" and "I deserve this" attitude of arrogance, the rest of the worlds knows it. And it's starting to show through this thread here.

But it's the one we've had the entire life of the game after three years it's far to late to worry about your game being devalued.

Things are worth only what the customer will pay nothing more, rrp is irrelevant, take video games if a AAA titles comes out but I don't think it's worth £50 I wait a few months and it's price drops down to £25 then I buy it.

If I don't think a ship's worth 14 when previously it was 10 then I won't buy it and sooner or later market pressure will lower the price for me as sellers want to shift old stock even at the expense of profit.

Hobojesuse follow your logic through. You wait for a clearance and buy giving the store a lose. The store looks at its numbers orderless product the next time. The manufacturer sees a drop in figures and makes less product the next time.

Wash Rinse Reapeat.

Which is more likely the manufacturer adjust their price or they drop the license and move on to other projects? Remember as quanity goes down price goes up.

Well we clearly to make some poll to get an accurate account of how many of the forum user would continue to buy xwing modules after the "discount" becomes a smaller "discount"

I'm from the UK.

The prices from most retailers in America are the same prices we get here in the UK, but in Dollars, rather than GBP.

So small ships are roughly £10 and $10. The exchange rate is 1.5 approx, so Americans are already paying a third less than we are. The only reason I don't order every new wave from an American retailer is because you get hit with VAT and customs fees on top of the postage, which makes it more expensive than just buying in the UK.

An increase in price of 10% is 1 dollar, or 60-70 pence.

If you can't afford to pay an extra 60 pence per ship, you certainly might want to examine the reason why you're spending 10+ bucks on a toy to begin with (as opposed to food, bills, or petrol). You may also want to compare prices with some other miniature manufacturers out there, to realize just how **** cheap this game is to play. 2x Starter sets, plus a Falcon and a Decimator and a star mat is a perfectly valid starter kit, and costs roughly £100. That gives you two armies you can play, some upgrades to mix around, and an area to play on, as well as scenarios, terrain, and options for future purchases that synergize well with them.

Compare that to, say, (yes, we've all heard it before) Warhammer, where the minimum spend on an army+paint+glue+rules+tools+board+scenery is probably £500+, and each unit costs a minimum of £20 and averages £30...

Price hikes are an inevitable part of life. Inflation happens. Financial collapse happens. Companies change strategies. Costs increase. Get used to it, and be thankful that this one was relatively tiny.

Hobojesuse follow your logic through. You wait for a clearance and buy giving the store a lose. The store looks at its numbers orderless product the next time. The manufacturer sees a drop in figures and makes less product the next time.

Wash Rinse Reapeat.

Which is more likely the manufacturer adjust their price or they drop the license and move on to other projects? Remember as quanity goes down price goes up.

In a 15 page wall of veiled personal attacks, cultural snark, and Dunning-Kruger effect, this is actually the main point of the whole discussion. If the price increase impacts their numbers in a negative way ANA/FFG will adjust accordingly, no doubts. I don't mind paying a few extra bucks for ships. The pre-order for Rebellion jumping up $15 was a bit more alarming, for my wallet. At 60 USD it was an instabuy, at 75 I had to actually think about it before pulling the trigger. I feel that by Q2 most US buyers will have adjusted and moved on. It is what it is. I can't count on the internet to vote with their wallet unfortunately, or this would be a non-issue.

But it's the one we've had the entire life of the game after three years it's far to late to worry about your game being devalued.

It's hardly too late.

Things are worth only what the customer will pay nothing more

No, different people value things differently. However, if nobody is willing to pay enough to keep a product line profitable, then the product line stops being made. Companies don't make things out of love with no profit.

If I don't think a ship's worth 14 when previously it was 10 then I won't buy it and sooner or later market pressure will lower the price for me as sellers want to shift old stock even at the expense of profit.

And there you have it, the crux of the argument. "People should sell me things at a loss because I don't want to pay what they cost."

I can't imagine that any person that makes this type of argument works for a living.

If FFG loses customers that weren't willing to pay to keep a product line alive, what loss is that to FFG? None whatsoever.

if you haven been buying from Amazon it hasn't been full price.

It was generally the same price as on FFG's own website. i.e. $15-16 for a small ship.

Which Amazon are you talking about? Is it .com or co.uk or what? I have bought roughly 30% of my stuff from Amazon.com (maybe more) and have paid a little more than MM and CSI (switched when I found them) and have never paid even CLOSE to MSRP.

A-wing - $11

TFA Core - $26

TIE Advanced - $11.50

Raider - $62.50

Still pretty sweet discounts.

Tonight I'll mostly be drinking lager and hoping that this dross thread doesn't make it too far into 2016.

Happy New Year

Cheers

Baaa

I'm not going to bother with it much myself.

Lets face it it, the decision for good or ill has been made and nothing we say here will change thing in the slightest.

I'm not going to bother with it much myself.

Lets face it it, the decision for good or ill has been made and nothing we say here will change thing in the slightest.

One of the most sensible things I've seen written in the thread so far.

Huzzah!!!

Cheers

Baaa

This forum can be really hostile against people with smaller budgets. You know that just cause you don't have as much disposable income as someone else doesnt' mean you're not allowed to have hobbies right? And price hikes make it harder to participate in the hobby. (Not to mention that there's alway the not-adult demographic for tabletop games as well who by default have less disposable income.)

I'm from the UK.

The prices from most retailers in America are the same prices we get here in the UK, but in Dollars, rather than GBP.

So small ships are roughly £10 and $10. The exchange rate is 1.5 approx, so Americans are already paying a third less than we are. The only reason I don't order every new wave from an American retailer is because you get hit with VAT and customs fees on top of the postage, which makes it more expensive than just buying in the UK.

An increase in price of 10% is 1 dollar, or 60-70 pence.

If you can't afford to pay an extra 60 pence per ship, you certainly might want to examine the reason why you're spending 10+ bucks on a toy to begin with (as opposed to food, bills, or petrol). You may also want to compare prices with some other miniature manufacturers out there, to realize just how **** cheap this game is to play. 2x Starter sets, plus a Falcon and a Decimator and a star mat is a perfectly valid starter kit, and costs roughly £100. That gives you two armies you can play, some upgrades to mix around, and an area to play on, as well as scenarios, terrain, and options for future purchases that synergize well with them.

Compare that to, say, (yes, we've all heard it before) Warhammer, where the minimum spend on an army+paint+glue+rules+tools+board+scenery is probably £500+, and each unit costs a minimum of £20 and averages £30...

Price hikes are an inevitable part of life. Inflation happens. Financial collapse happens. Companies change strategies. Costs increase. Get used to it, and be thankful that this one was relatively tiny.

There's a difference between can't and don't want to. Higher prices means people are more likely to look at other games / other hobbies. And the "compare to other miniature manufacturers" is always done unfairly on these forums, cause the comparison is never done with similar scaled games. Comparing with Warhammer is pointless cause it's way more expensive, I however know I can play skirmish games at the same price or cheaper than X-wing. (I play Malifaux and Guild Ball and both of those are cheaper and have better content models that don't require you buying ships you don't need.)

This forum can be really hostile against people with smaller budgets. You know that just cause you don't have as much disposable income as someone else doesnt' mean you're not allowed to have hobbies right? And price hikes make it harder to participate in the hobby. (Not to mention that there's alway the not-adult demographic for tabletop games as well who by default have less disposable income.)

Yeah, probably the same folk that think that in this modern world that poor people shouldn't have cellphones, tvs, or refrigerators. Being less well off means that your life has to be miserable until you make it big.

Fact: This price increase/decreased discount (whatever it ends up being) is happening

Fact: Some people will quit buying over this

Fact: Many others will slow down their purchases (maybe not buying an entire Wave at launch, etc)

Fact: X-wing products will still be bought, many at MSRP

Fact: People will whinge about the price increase

Fact: Other people will stupidly whinge about people whinging about the price increase

Fact: Capitalism blows XD

I think the ones complaining are the people who still live in their parents basement with little or no income. Get a job and wake up to the real world. Do you complain this much when bread and milk prices inflate?

Me and my wife complain when we go to the grocery store....... Yeah I complain...... luxury items d not get purchased.....I need those things more first then the plastic ships....... yes we do complain.......

So what I got from that was, you complain, a lot. And the fact that you are buying luxury items. Simple. Don't, go to work and put food on the table for your family.

It's a business. Bottom line. ffg are doing to obviously help their company which is good news for me becuase it means they will still create quality games and products for years to come!

You sure you don't live in your mothers basement??? You act like you do.

“Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating." Out of "Rules for Radicals"

Hobojesuse follow your logic through. You wait for a clearance and buy giving the store a lose. The store looks at its numbers orderless product the next time. The manufacturer sees a drop in figures and makes less product the next time.

Wash Rinse Reapeat.

Which is more likely the manufacturer adjust their price or they drop the license and move on to other projects? Remember as quanity goes down price goes up.

Yes this is exactly what I'm saying.

This is the on going process with GW and I'd hate to see ffg go the same way, shops in major cities all over are dropping 40k and wfb because they priced themselves out of the market.

But it's entirely unreasonable to expect people to keep buying at the same rate while paying more for no extra gain.

So, it is unreasonable for people to pay MSRP?