Or, Wheaton's law. "Don't be a duck".

I would just like to put in a friendly plug in for the men and woman of our armed services. It's very easy for them to be in a situation where they don't have the luxury of going to a movie theater, yet will have ready access to the internet. For them, regardless of how much of a diehard Star Wars fan they are, they simple can't see the movies until they are released for mass sales. If you support our men and woman fighting for us, then spend one seconds writing "spoilers" in your thread topic. Even if you don't support them as Airman, Soldiers, Sailors and Marines, how about supporting them as a fellow Star Wars fan and don't ruin it for them?

Seeing TFA spoilers are the least of anyone's concern downrange. They've got much bigger things to worry about. I'm not sure any of them would list it as something that they sacrifice as part of their service. Besides, TFA is probably already available in a low-quality bootleg for $5 at the local haji mart. I wouldn't be surprised if they hadn't already had a big showing at Bagram.

Thing is, spoilers don't actually spoil anything. Even if you know certain facts of a plot, it's the experience of getting there that makes a story worthwhile. The narrative journey is more important than a fleeting moment of surprise.

That's nice if that's the case for you, but it is ABSOLUTELY NOT how everyone else feels. Other people value the exhilaration of experiencing a surprise more than you do. And only an ***hole would try and impose their method of enjoying something on other people.

Or, Wheaton's law. "Don't be a duck".

That's just quackers!

Am I the only one who avoided the Internet from 15th December until after I saw the movie?

Why?

Because I assumed those who enjoyed the movie would want to talk about what they loved. Anyone who hated the movie would be ranting about it. Others would want to debate it like the intellectuals they imagine themselves to be.

Who am I to rain on their parade!?

Don't want spoilers? Don't go near Star Wars websites, blogs, forums, podcasts, YouTube, Google +1 etc until you've seen it.

Simple.

Yes. Yes you are.

Avoided the internet? Come on.

No joke.

Was very liberating. I didn't realize how much time I spent on the Internet until I ceased for six days. I gained about 24 hours free time!

These days i often have a couple of days 'offline' , you appreciate it more when you use it then. Also you get tons done if you just turn your computer off. I paint more figures and write more articles.

My wife is practically hardwired into facebook, personally i check it every day for my works social media but i only look at friends posts about once a week. I probably come on here to post more than anywhere else these days.

Thing is, spoilers don't actually spoil anything. Even if you know certain facts of a plot, it's the experience of getting there that makes a story worthwhile. The narrative journey is more important than a fleeting moment of surprise.

That's nice if that's the case for you, but it is ABSOLUTELY NOT how everyone else feels. Other people value the exhilaration of experiencing a surprise more than you do. And only an ***hole would try and impose their method of enjoying something on other people.

So what you're saying is that everyone who expects other people to avoid spoilers is an ***hole?

It's true that a person who demands others censor themselves in order to avoid plot details of a billion-dollar blockbuster is certainly imposing his or her own method of enjoying a movie on others, so I agree with you in spirit, but that's a bit rude don't you think?

I enjoy a surprise as much as the next person. In fact, after The Force Awakens came out I deliberately avoided reading about it because I understood that my movie experience was my own personal responsibility. I didn't want to know any details about the movie so I knew I would have to stay away from places that had them, such as a forum about a Star Wars game where the movie would inevitably be discussed, rather than expecting everyone who'd already seen the movie to keep it a secret from me.

Thing is, spoilers don't actually spoil anything. Even if you know certain facts of a plot, it's the experience of getting there that makes a story worthwhile. The narrative journey is more important than a fleeting moment of surprise.

That's nice if that's the case for you, but it is ABSOLUTELY NOT how everyone else feels. Other people value the exhilaration of experiencing a surprise more than you do. And only an ***hole would try and impose their method of enjoying something on other people.

So what you're saying is that everyone who expects other people to avoid spoilers is an ***hole?

It's true that a person who demands others censor themselves in order to avoid plot details of a billion-dollar blockbuster is certainly imposing his or her own method of enjoying a movie on others, so I agree with you in spirit, but that's a bit rude don't you think?

What exactly are you complaining about? I'm genuinely interested in what kind of "censoring" you have been placed under that would get you riled up about this issue. What is it that you can't currently do that you would like to?

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'nough said

I know a mate of mine got upset with me for 'spoiling' something in 'game of thrones' on my facebook about a year ago.

He got right upset but personally if a books been out for a decade with the same plot in it its pretty much public knowledge as to what happens.

Dont think i can sit on not discussing a plot line for a decade

I mean, when the big ESB reveal came out about Vader being Lukes dad i remember being told about it at school and not believing it til i'd seen it. Now with the internet its more 'real' to a degree if everyones talking about it.

Also noone seemed to care about 'spoilers' then, some things like 'the mousetrap' remained a secret by mutual consent but most film plots and 'reveals' seemed to be fare game as soon as you'd left the cinema.

What is it that you can't currently do that you would like to?

That's what I've been wondering this whole time. What exactly is it that people can't talk about in regards to this game?

The only thing I can think of that would be even remotely a spoiler is the named pilots for the T-70 and really what kind of spoiler is that?

What exactly does any plot point in the movie have to do with this game?

The speculation of:

Crew cards and abilities and Pilot cards and abilities.

For example. A certain character, as crew, would probably give some ace gunnery bonuses on a PWT (notably a certain one, as flown by a certain character who people who have not seen the film would not realize that that character flew that ship).

Now, I was VERY careful to avoid spoilers there, but it's not easy to talk about.

The speculation of:

Crew cards and abilities and Pilot cards and abilities.

Ok I'll grant that speculating about future cards could be an issue.

I really want to as well, but gonna keep quiet until we've all agreed spoiler tags aren't necessary.

What exactly are you complaining about? I'm genuinely interested in what kind of "censoring" you have been placed under that would get you riled up about this issue. What is it that you can't currently do that you would like to?

Reading this is like watching

Moving on

You'd think that person would just avoid discussions about the movie until they've seen it.

That's fine, as long as the discussion is limited to threads clearly marked as being about the movie or containing spoilers. But if someone posts a major spoiler in a rules question or a discussion about the T-70, then that's something else.

I don't think anyone has an issue with spoilers as long as the thread is marked as having them.

That said there will come a point say 2-3 weeks from now maybe where it's not really a big issue.

To me, this thread is more about respecting the group decision - where the group is essentially the internet - to at least warn people of spoilers by spoiler tagging/certain groups not posting spoilers. The Hal-con group on facebook for example declared a spoiler free zone until 10pm on the 27th.

Just posting stuff about the film willy nilly is just not courteous. On the same line, waiting too long until being able to speak and speculate is equally discourteous.

What exactly are you complaining about? I'm genuinely interested in what kind of "censoring" you have been placed under that would get you riled up about this issue. What is it that you can't currently do that you would like to?

Riled up? Quite the contrary. I'm having a lovely time. I enjoyed the movie and I've enjoyed discussing the movie. Apparently there's some concern about where and when one is allowed to do that, but I don't really understand why. The whole thing seems very hypothetical at this point.

I'm mostly curious why another person not wanting to know what happens in a movie is in any way my problem. You'd think that person would just avoid discussions about the movie until they've seen it.

I guess being considerate is a tough thing to do for some people. God forbid you should be inconvenienced in the smallest of ways.

Just posting stuff about the film willy nilly is just not courteous. On the same line, waiting too long until being able to speak and speculate is equally discourteous.

Sure, but that second thing isn't even happening. Nobody is forcing them to wait to be able to speak and speculate. They just want them to label it before they do.

It's this literal strawman argument where they say the other side doesn't even want to allow them to speak. But there's not a single person saying that. They're saying you can say what you want, just warn people first.

I guess being considerate staying away from discussions that will likely have spoilers is a tough thing to do for some people. God forbid you should be inconvenienced in the smallest of ways.

It cuts both ways.

Both approaches help avoid spoiling a movie, but only one of these always works. Up to you.

It's this literal figurative strawman argument where they say the other side doesn't even want to allow them to speak. But there's not a single person saying that.

No one is saying they're being disallowed from speaking, either. What's a strawman of a strawman? A wicker man? I'm not sure.

Anyway, what is being said is that it's not anyone's responsibility to warn you about spoilers if you don't want to hear them. It is considerate but it is not mandatory. Ultimately, you are responsible for your own experiences and making sure you don't spoil a movie for yourself. It's entirely possible for someone to slip up and mention something they don't think is a spoiler but you do. If you rely solely on other people to protect you from information you don't want to hear, you may be disappointed.

I've made my point, so the last I have to say on the matter is a visual example. It's even got Harrison Ford!

I guess being considerate staying away from discussions that will likely have spoilers is a tough thing to do for some people. God forbid you should be inconvenienced in the smallest of ways.

It cuts both ways.

Both approaches help avoid spoiling a movie, but only one of these always works. Up to you.

Except it doesn't always work, because it's not possible to know which discussions are likely to have spoilers UNLESS PEOPLE LABEL THEM.

If you think that's a bit rude to say, I consider it exactly as rude as the attitude being portrayed here.

I like how you edited your post to add this. Did you forget it's inconsiderate to call people names for disagreeing with you, or were you just worried that you'd look bad?

Either way, I understand where you're coming from, and I've already agreed that spoiler warnings are considerate. I don't object to anyone using them -- that's your personal prerogative -- and I don't go about posting spoilers from brand-new movies for for jollies. This whole thing is really an ideological argument, and I stand by the point that the most reliable way to protect yourself from spoilers (if they matter to you) is to avoid them yourself. A Star Wars forum is definitely the danger zone when a new Star Wars movie is out.

If you think that's a bit rude to say, I consider it exactly as rude as the attitude being portrayed here.

I like how you edited your post to add this. Did you forget it's inconsiderate to call people names for disagreeing with you, or were you just worried that you'd look bad?

Either way, I understand where you're coming from, and I've already agreed that spoiler warnings are considerate. I don't object to anyone using them -- that's your personal prerogative -- and I don't go about posting spoilers from brand-new movies for for jollies. This whole thing is really an ideological argument, and I stand by the point that the most reliable way to protect yourself from spoilers (if they matter to you) is to avoid them yourself. A Star Wars forum is definitely the danger zone when a new Star Wars movie is out.

Having read this I feel as though I have completely mistaken your argument for one you don't see to have been making as I can agree with everything you've said in this post.

I thought of it after posting, before the next post was made. You're SUPPOSED to edit your post in that instance rather than double posting.

This whole thing is really an ideological argument, and I stand by the point that the most reliable way to protect yourself from spoilers (if they matter to you) is to avoid them yourself.

And I stand by the point that you can't avoid them if you don't know they're there, which you can't, if people don't label them spoilers.

If the movie is still one of the top grossing features for the week, it's too soon.

If the movie is not a top grossing feature then 8-12 weeks.

Every time someone starts a new thread, I'm adding 2-4 weeks.