Intel Officer and defense token discarding

By thecactusman17, in Star Wars: Armada Rules Questions

Intel Officer now potentially interacts with at least three potential cards that also cause a player to discard defense tokens, specifically NK-7 Ion Canons, Admonition, and a critical effect (Faulty Countermeasures? Can't remember the name).

How does Intel Officer interact with these? If a player is forced to discard a token and spends a token with Intel Officer activated can they then discard the token IO would affect before it resolves? Which payer chooses the order of operations in this scenario?

Check the Order of Operations in the Rulebook.

Look at When each of the Effects takes part. Because when you look at those 3 Provided (And the Critical Card is Injured Crew - Choose and Discard one of your Defence Tokens ) - Only ONE of those cards actually HAS a direct Interaction. In the case of the other interactions, you're going to potentially get the enemy to discard multiple Defence Tokens, and there's very little that can be done about it on the defending side.

Specifically:

NK-7 Ion Cannons:

" Blue Crit : You may exhaust this card to force the defender to choose and discard 1 of his defense tokens."

This is a Critical Effect, so it only takes place after the Associated Defense Tokens have been Spent/Discarded. Its a Non-Issue in this Case - as there is no Interaction...

Injured Crew - The Critical Damage card would also be taking place after the Associated Defense Tokens Step... Either because its an immediate face-up Card due to APTs, or its Drawn as a Face-Up Card due to Critical Damage.

Which leaves us only with:

Admonition "While defending, during the Spend Defense Tokens Step, you may discard a defense token to cancel 1 attack die."

"While Defending, During the Spend Defense Tokens Step"

So lets look at the Interacting Card:

Intel Officer:

While attacking, after you roll your attack pool, you may exhaust this card to choose 1 defense token. If that token is spent during this attack, discard that token."

IF they Spend it, it is Discarded.

Most definately, you can't Spend it for its effect, and then intend to discard it for Admonition, if it has been Targeted by Intel Officer, as due to the Intel Officer Effect, as it has already been Discarded . Think of their being an implicit "Immediately" or "instead" there.

You would have to either Spend It For Its Effect - which may be a removed Die, in the fact of an Evade at Long Range... Or you can simply DISCARD it through Admonition, to remove a Die - and the Intel Effect is ignored, as it was not Spent - it was Discarded... Or rather, you as the attacker can be happy, as it was Discarded regardless .

So that clears up that one Interaction...

I will add a small thing here - if you are indeed thinking of "Faulty Countermeasures - You Cannot Spend Exhausted Defense Tokens", then Admonition still has no interaction with that, as Admonition is Discarding a Token, and not Spending it, so as long as the Token is Readied at the start of the turn when you go to spend it, and its not targeted with Intel Officer, it will be there to be Discarded due to Admonition.

However, if you have a situation where there is a direct conflict, then refer to the Effects and Timing section of the Rulebook. Such a Situation may be Whose Han Shoots First? - in Which case:

RRG, Page 5, Effects and Timing:

• If both players have effects with the same timing, the first player resolves all of his effects with that timing first.

Edited by Drasnighta

... Okay, I think I'm done editing quotes now.

Admonition seems to be the one u see this most likely to occur on.

Does a spent token immediately get discarded as part of Intel Officer? Is there any period between when a player chooses to spend it and when the effect resolves? Because I think my opponent was claiming that there is, and that it was during that period that they discarded for Admonition.

Admonition seems to be the one u see this most likely to occur on.

Does a spent token immediately get discarded as part of Intel Officer? Is there any period between when a player chooses to spend it and when the effect resolves? Because I think my opponent was claiming that there is, and that it was during that period that they discarded for Admonition.

To steal a term from a different game.

There is no "Stack". There is no "last in first out" resolution.

This simply says it happens. It indicates no Delay. If you go to spend it, it is Discarded. This allows no time opportunity.

If the wording was "if this token is spent, it is subsequently discarded." then I'd say the argument has a Leg to Sit on, but it does not...

"If that token is spent during this attack, discard that token."

Full Stop.

Do not Pass Tatooine.

Do not collect any Imperial Credits.

Edited by Drasnighta

If Intel Officer said "if this token is spent, after the Attack resolves discard it" You'd have the ability to utilize it subsequent it's spending prior to it's discarding, but that is not the timing indicated.

For something to have conflicted timing with Internet Officer it would have to be an effect that specified it's trigger being a defense token being spent.

For something to have conflicted timing with Internet Officer

Maybe the resolution is delayed because his ability is loading? :P

Edited by DerErlkoenig

Why does my autocorrect substitute words for other real, valid, and correctly spelled other words. No phone when I wrote Intel I didn't mean Internet.

Why does my autocorrect substitute words for other real, valid, and correctly spelled other words. No phone when I wrote Intel I didn't mean Internet.

I think my favorite part is that they aren't even that close. As someone who almost exclusively posts from my phone, I feel you. I proofread 95% of what I type, but I swear that other 5% is half autocorrect moustaches*.

*You know what, I'm not even going to fix that one because it's too funny.

I have an additional question about Intel Officer. So there are now a few ships with two of the same defense tokens. Example: MC80, 2 Redirects. So if I attack the MC80 and call out redirect with Intel Officer. Does that cover both Redirect tokens? Or am I singling out a specific redirect token? Which can make Intel officer ineffective if both tokens are available for use. Thoughts?

No it only effects one. Just like an accuracy

You select a single token.

If you have an accuracy, you can use that to help cover the other token of the same kind, otherwise you might as well just just go for the single token of a different kind. No sense in exhausting it if you effectively won't get anything out of it.