To me, the Gozanti doesn't really scream empire, in the films they tend to send star destroyers to do everything and sending a crappy little support frigate seems like under kill for them.

However, it does scream scum SRS carrier. Just enough firepower to defend itself, but not enough to be a warship, and it would be a great launching post for M3 interceptors. My Google foo also tells me it was never even intended is an imperial ship, more an armed merchant ship and was used by the hutts.

So my question is, how would you feel about the Gozanti switching to scum for friendly games? I am not talking about huge amounts if custom rules, just swap its imperial tag for scum and change Tie to M3 for purposes of docking. That way it could use a couple of scum upgrades and would lose access to people like the Moffs.

Thoughts?

Sounds fine to me, wouldn't have a problem with that ta all. Same for the GR 75, could be used for scum too if you want!

You know, I was just pondering such a thing, from a fluff perspective. The Gozanti was pre-clone-wars, and were far from being purely Republic/Imperial. The upgrade to turn it into a pocket carrier was a later Imperial design, but I can easily see an enterprising pirate captain stealing the concept and modifying the docking tubes to fit over the cockpits of M3As and Z95s.

To me, the Gozanti doesn't really scream empire, in the films they tend to send star destroyers to do everything and sending a crappy little support frigate seems like under kill for them.

However, it does scream scum SRS carrier. Just enough firepower to defend itself, but not enough to be a warship, and it would be a great launching post for M3 interceptors. My Google foo also tells me it was never even intended is an imperial ship, more an armed merchant ship and was used by the hutts.

So my question is, how would you feel about the Gozanti switching to scum for friendly games? I am not talking about huge amounts if custom rules, just swap its imperial tag for scum and change Tie to M3 for purposes of docking. That way it could use a couple of scum upgrades and would lose access to people like the Moffs.

Thoughts?

Check out the new canon entry on wookiepedia. The Rebels show has re-fluffed the Gozanti as having a specific model created for Imperial use that outclasses the civilian one.

A scum version could look like the older ones, but keep in mind, the Gozanti civilian model was intentionally made slow so that it wouldn't become popular with pirates and outlaws.

A scum version could look like the older ones, but keep in mind, the Gozanti civilian model was intentionally made slow so that it wouldn't become popular with pirates and outlaws.

In Rebels and TCW, it is popular with criminals. Vizago and Azmorigan use them in Rebels, and Black Sun uses them in TCW.

The Raider is really the only thing that should remain exclusive to any faction. There's no reason why mercs couldn't pick up a CR-90 or GR-75 too.

It's slowness wouldn't be a problem for a lot of raiders. I think it would make an excellent mobile command and control centre for hyperdriveless syck interceptors. Even if it was faster, you would be stupid to fly it into combat as it doesn't really have the teeth or survivability to do much.

The Raider is really the only thing that should remain exclusive to any faction. There's no reason why mercs couldn't pick up a CR-90 or GR-75 too.

I completely disagree. The last thing I want is for the Scum faction to simply have a copy of every ship, and simply tacking on an illicit upgrade isn't nearly enough to keep the factions unique enough to be interesting.

Just to point out a line from ANH something to the effect of, I have out run Imperial ship I am talking about the big Correlian jobs not the local bulk cruisers.

That being said I think in Shadows of the Empire the Black Suns were converting freighter into Cruiser so it is not completely out of whack,but I think you will need to pair it down a bit.

Just to point out a line from ANH something to the effect of, I have out run Imperial ship I am talking about the big Correlian jobs not the local bulk cruisers.

In The Essential Guide To Warfare, it's mentioned that Corellian-built Star Destroyers are slightly faster than standard ones:

http://boards.theforce.net/threads/fleet-junkie-flagship-the-technical-discussions-of-the-gffa-capital-ships-thread-mk-ii.21527953/page-482#post-50911879

with the author later chipping in to point out that yes, it's Imperial-class ships that's being referred to:

http://boards.theforce.net/threads/fleet-junkie-flagship-the-technical-discussions-of-the-gffa-capital-ships-thread-mk-ii.21527953/page-482#post-50912306

Interestingly, as early as 1978, Vader's ship in ANH was referred to as Corellian, in tie-in media:

Giving the Scum access to at least one 'capital' ship for epic play seems like something FFG would do. Maybe they will surprise us with their very own ship instead of the previous released ones?

I like it as an option. The scum faction should be able to steal most ships as they likely would have done. There are few exceptions like the Raider that would be hard to pull off.

The Raider is really the only thing that should remain exclusive to any faction. There's no reason why mercs couldn't pick up a CR-90 or GR-75 too.

I completely disagree. The last thing I want is for the Scum faction to simply have a copy of every ship, and simply tacking on an illicit upgrade isn't nearly enough to keep the factions unique enough to be interesting.

From a game play perspective that is true. He was talking about fluff and background, however.

Giving the Scum access to at least one 'capital' ship for epic play seems like something FFG would do. Maybe they will surprise us with their very own ship instead of the previous released ones?

The Scum raider equivalent is obviously going to be an Action VI Transport, I'd be amazed if that wasn't released in 2016.

The Scum Gozanti is going to be...the Scum Gozanti.

The C-ROC Gozanti-class cruiser. With Broken Horn and Merchant One Titles.

Sorry to disappoint you, but the Scum Raider is going to be the Minstrel-class space yacht. With Star Jewel and Dragon Pearl Titles.

The Minstrel is more like the Gozanti - both are carriers and neither is primariy a warship. If they go for the C-ROC I doubt we will see the Minstrel and vice versa.

The Action VI with Interceptor refit is more than a match for the CR-90 and possibly the even the Raider.

The Scum Gozanti is going to be...the Scum Gozanti.

The C-ROC Gozanti-class cruiser. With Broken Horn and Merchant One Titles.

The Scum raider equivalent is obviously going to be an Action VI Transport

Sorry to disappoint you, but the Scum Raider is going to be the Minstrel-class space yacht. With Star Jewel and Dragon Pearl Titles.

Incorrect. It's going to be an Action VI with Talon Karrde, Mara Jade crew, and the Wild Karrde title.

The Raider is really the only thing that should remain exclusive to any faction. There's no reason why mercs couldn't pick up a CR-90 or GR-75 too.

I completely disagree. The last thing I want is for the Scum faction to simply have a copy of every ship, and simply tacking on an illicit upgrade isn't nearly enough to keep the factions unique enough to be interesting.

From a game play perspective that is true. He was talking about fluff and background, however.

Exactly. I agree that it'd be awfully lazy/boring. Speaking purely fluff-wise, it would make sense though

The Scum Gozanti is going to be...the Scum Gozanti.

The C-ROC Gozanti-class cruiser. With Broken Horn and Merchant One Titles.

The Scum raider equivalent is obviously going to be an Action VI Transport

Sorry to disappoint you, but the Scum Raider is going to be the Minstrel-class space yacht. With Star Jewel and Dragon Pearl Titles.

Incorrect. It's going to be an Action VI with Talon Karrde, Mara Jade crew, and the Wild Karrde title.

Speculating wouldn't be fun if we weren't allowed to be absolutely certain about it

If FFG had to choose between the Star Jewel and the AT VI, they'll choose the Start Jewel -there is absolutely no way in hades that FFG will pass up the chance to get The Mighty Jabba into the game in favour of a lesser character.

But there's no reason why FFG would have to choose when they can have both.

The Scum Gozanti is going to be...the Scum Gozanti.

The C-ROC Gozanti-class cruiser. With Broken Horn and Merchant One Titles.

The Scum raider equivalent is obviously going to be an Action VI Transport

Sorry to disappoint you, but the Scum Raider is going to be the Minstrel-class space yacht. With Star Jewel and Dragon Pearl Titles.

Incorrect. It's going to be an Action VI with Talon Karrde, Mara Jade crew, and the Wild Karrde title.

Speculating wouldn't be fun if we weren't allowed to be absolutely certain about it

If FFG had to choose between the Star Jewel and the AT VI, they'll choose the Start Jewel -there is absolutely no way in hades that FFG will pass up the chance to get The Mighty Jabba into the game in favour of a lesser character.

But there's no reason why FFG would have to choose when they can have both.

I know you're right... but it makes me so sad.

What about the Crusader-class Corvette that was popular with Mandalorians?

Produced by Mandal Hypernautics, one of the two Mandalorian companies that made production models of the Starviper.

MandalMotors was the other company that had production capabilities for the Starviper and they also created the M3-A Scyk Interceptor.

Seeing as they are all Mandalorian ships created for criminal organizations, it could come with upgrades for Scyks and Starvipers.

There could even be Huge ship specific illicit upgrades.

I'd much rather get a new ship design than a recolored Gozanti, CR-90, or Rebel Transport.

One of the things FFG has been good at when making ships cross-factional is making them play differtly. A 12 point Z-95 gets you a PS2 ship, _or_ PS1 with an illicit slot. Compare Gold + R2 with Syndicate + Unhinged.

So! If there were- say- a Scum Huge set, I think it would be interesting if it came with the cardboard to convert the GR-75 for Scum use. Maybe a Scum-only cargo slot that let it dock/deploy 2 small base ships. Don't make that upgrade "limited", let the Scum GR-75 be a pocket carrier. That would be a _very_ different GR-75 from what the Rebels are flying.

If there would be a Scum Gozanti, I'd like to see it lose 3 Hull and gain 1 shield- and take a 10 point reduction. Let lose the ability to deploy ships. Instead, replace those docking clamps with mine launchers. Let the mine choose any green or white maneuver on, say, the Scyk dial. If the manuver template overlaps a ship, the mine detonates at the point of contact. THAT Gozanti plays incredibly differently from every other Huge Ship in the game.

That's the kind of thing I'd like to see if we're going to bring those ships to the Scum. I'd honestly prefer to see whole new ships for the Scum.

Wait. Except for the mine thing. I now want that.

Just toying around with the idea. Found this on Wookiepedia talking about the Broken Horn, a type of scum Gozanti.

"It was over 70 meters in length with vast cargo holds for smuggling goods. Although its weapon systems were poor, Vizago relied on its speed and shields to make a clean escape."

So here is my idea of a title card: (hopefully someone could create the card for me, since I can't generate one myself)

*Broken Horn

+2 energy 3 points

You loose your <hard point> upgrade slot. You then gain <team> and <crew> upgrade slots in your upgrade bar.

This would turn the Gozanti into a support ship, and it could release it's starships for defense.