So I know this list has been doing the rounds but I'm trying to get it to work for me!

I tried Vessery, HLC and hull with two Omegas + crack and Eplison Ace.

My conclusion was with Vessery stressed he was ok but defense was lacking with no focus and Eplison Ace wasn't doing much. It was against Bro bots so the two red dice were always going to be lacking

I thought maybe the following might be a bit better? Any thoughts?

Colonel Vessery — TIE Defender 35

Veteran Instincts 1

Heavy Laser Cannon 7

Twin Ion Engine Mk. II 1

Ship Total: 44

Zeta Squadron Pilot — TIE/fo Fighter 16

Ship Total: 16

"Zeta Leader" — TIE/fo Fighter 20

Wired 1

Comm Relay 3

Ship Total: 24

Zeta Squadron Pilot — TIE/fo Fighter

Once the new defender stuff is out I think the list will become even more potent!

Vessery equipped with HLC won't be able to benefit from either TIE/X7 or TIE/D.
The first removes cannon and missile slots, the second grants a cannon attack if this costs less than 4 points, thus excluding Mangler, autoblaster and HLC.

Good thing for your list is that you will get 7 free squad points and improved efficiency from Vessery, in terms of action economy or attacks and control.
With a list like this I'd go with Tie/D and Tractor Beam.. dropping the Agility of the brobots sounds quite good to me.

Well with ion or flechette cannons equipped vessery still has an excellent chance to deal four damage with his ability Woking on both shots so not being able to use HLC isn't so bad.

With ruthlessness he has the potential to do six.

Sorry I do understand the HLC will drop with either title but with the tractor beam it will help the ties out and the double hit with 3 dice is still nice!

Any thoughts on the current list, is Zeta leader any good or being stressed not fun?

FOLLOW THE LEADER ZETA LEADER FOLLOW THE LEADER *CLAPCLAPCLAP*

FOLLOW THE LEADER ZETA LEADER FOLLOW THE LEADER *CLAPCLAPCLAP*

...sorry.

Vessery equipped with HLC won't be able to benefit from either TIE/X7 or TIE/D.

The first removes cannon and missile slots, the second grants a cannon attack if this costs less than 4 points, thus excluding Mangler, autoblaster and HLC.

Good thing for your list is that you will get 7 free squad points and improved efficiency from Vessery, in terms of action economy or attacks and control.

With a list like this I'd go with Tie/D and Tractor Beam.. dropping the Agility of the brobots sounds quite good to me.

The titles aren't out yet, and when FFG says Q1 they typically mean June. Any tournament or non-proxying casual will have to make do without them.

Great minds gecko, great minds!

X7 Defenders are insane. There is no reason at all to take the HLC version over the X7.

X7 Defenders are insane. There is no reason at all to take the HLC version over the X7.

In the OPs list, I'd drop wired and give ZL VI. I've been running him that way and it's been very good. Or, better yet, run Omega Leader with Comm Relay.

I've flown Col. Vessery often and I don't rate the HLC on him. It's too expensive to justify in my experience.

I have been wanting to fly with 4 x Epsilon Pilots, but don't have 4 FO's yet. I did pull out a list that was:

Maarek Stele w/: VI, ATC, and Engine Upgrade

Col Vessery w/ VI

2 x Epsilon Pilots

99 pts

You can play around with things. I did well with it. It was also fun to fly. Maarek's ability was actually crucial in a lot of cases.

One point too short to use Vader in the same way, though. With the new title, I will use:

Overall, going with 3 ships that an give TL was useful for Col. Vessery. He didn't really need a Cannon as 3 dice with Focus and TL are great. Having another at PS 9 is also useful. I've found people either hate Vessery or the other ace and focus fire that one down. That leaves you the 2nd ace to do damage while the other turtles. The Epsilons get ignored and can really cause damage with bumpage or fire. They also last longer than Tie Fighters and their 2 S-loop is really something.

in this case, where you want TLs to enable Vess, Omega L > Zeta L

Right so im thinking of practicing the following for a tournament soon!

Colonel Vessery (35)
Veteran Instincts (1)
Heavy Laser Cannon (7)
Twin Ion Engine Mk. II (1)

Epsilon Squadron Pilot (15)

Epsilon Squadron Pilot (15)

"Omega Leader" (21)
Juke (2)
Comm Relay (3)

Total: 100

Would anyone think of dropping the HLC to beef up the Epsilons to possibly Omegas with Crackshot? or maybe something else. I do love that HLC with target locks and focus to really hit home but its very expensive!

X7 Defenders are insane. There is no reason at all to take the HLC version over the X7.

Quite a few actually. The poster is clearly looking to build a squad with what we have NOW. The titles are nice, but for my personal preference, I will still bust out HLC Rexlar or Vessery or Mangler Maarek every now and again. Top tier, not likely. But still fun to play.

But yeah, you want Omega Leader first and foremost as Vessery's FO wingmate. Omega Ace is also a fun one if you want another named FO.

Yes I was looking at what I can use now! I know people are really excited (me too) about veterans and what it offers tho!

I would still suggest dropping HLC and Omega Leader for a high PS ace in a Tie Adv w/ Adv. Targeting Computer.

you don't need no ace when you have Omega Leader, the ace hunter

once you get the Inquisitor, though you can run the trio of OL, Inquisitor and V.I Vess

you don't need no ace when you have Omega Leader, the ace hunter

I'd have to try out Omega Leader, which I haven't done. I wonder, though, if VI would be better for Omega Leader to ensure you go after those aces?

you don't need no ace when you have Omega Leader, the ace hunter

I'd have to try out Omega Leader, which I haven't done. I wonder, though, if VI would be better for Omega Leader to ensure you go after those aces?

The problem with VI over Predator, PTL or Juke is that you won't have anything to boost your attack. A focused or unmodified 2-3 dice attack isn't THAT much of a threat to an ace, even if they can't spend focus tokens themselves.

you don't need no ace when you have Omega Leader, the ace hunter

I'd have to try out Omega Leader, which I haven't done. I wonder, though, if VI would be better for Omega Leader to ensure you go after those aces?

no, that'd be Juke to ensure you get those aces

you can outplay a higher PS pilot. You cannot outplay green dice

you'll hit 3 agility reliably at range 3 with just a focus and juke, which becomes an uber crackshot under Omega Leader

you don't need no ace when you have Omega Leader, the ace hunter

once you get the Inquisitor, though you can run the trio of OL, Inquisitor and V.I Vess

No? I'm not clever...

Yep, it has to be Juke. You might not get the target in arc so often, but you'll actually do damage when you do. Omega Leader with Comms Relay and Juke is a monster, especially late game.

Would anyone think of dropping the HLC to beef up the Epsilons to possibly Omegas with Crackshot? or maybe something else. I do love that HLC with target locks and focus to really hit home but its very expensive!

No. I like crackshot, but that lowers the overall firepower of the list I think.

I really need to try out all the new pilots....

I really wanna try the Kagi, Carnor, OL combo! Welcome to frustration city!!

Ok I think I will stick with original list and keep at it. I do love the advance but really wanna keep that HLC till the new titles come out!

I really wanna try the Kagi, Carnor, OL combo! Welcome to frustration city!!

Ok I think I will stick with original list and keep at it. I do love the advance but really wanna keep that HLC till the new titles come out!

I'm taking Kagi, Carnor and Omega Leader to a tournament tomorrow. Just hope it performs as well as it did for me in testing it last week!