Decimator, Yorr, dauntless and red maneuver

By Czapa, in X-Wing Rules Questions

Hi All,

A beginner question concerning FAQ:

When Decimator is performing red maneuver, but stress token is transferred to Cpt. Yorr can Dauntless be used? FAQ states that dauntless cannot be used after performing red maneuver, but the only logical and consistent explanation of this statement would be stress received during red maneuver. What if stress is transferred to Yorr? Can I perform a free action?

Anyone please?

I don't see anything stopping it if Yorr pulls the stress.

The FAQ is rather explicit, though. This might need to be questioned directly.

Edited by DR4CO

Dauntless Clarification:

If a ship equipped with the Dauntless title executes a red maneuver and overlaps another ship, it cannot perform a free action. If it executes a green maneuver, overlaps another ship, and uses Dauntless to perform a free action, the stress it receives is not removed by the green maneuver.

I think this wording is unfortunate, but I don't see any reason to believe that this clarification text is adding an additional restriction on taking free actions through Dauntless. You can't do the Dauntless free action after a red maneuver because you're stressed. If Yorr intercepts the stress, you won't be stressed by the time Dauntless triggers ("after you execute a maneuver"), so you should be able to use it.

Czapa, you might want to submit a rules question on this one, just to be sure, but as is, I think it's just that the person writing the Dauntless clarification wasn't thinking about all possible combinations.

I am only a newbie player so I don't have the greatest handle on the rules as yet but I have seen a lot of posts that say do what the card says not what it doesn't say. '"If a ship equipped with the Dauntless title executes a red maneuver and overlaps another ship, it cannot perform a free action". That seems pretty clear cut really it may not be what was intended but that is what it says.

I am only a newbie player so I don't have the greatest handle on the rules as yet but I have seen a lot of posts that say do what the card says not what it doesn't say. '"If a ship equipped with the Dauntless title executes a red maneuver and overlaps another ship, it cannot perform a free action". That seems pretty clear cut really it may not be what was intended but that is what it says.

I am only a newbie player so I don't have the greatest handle on the rules as yet but I have seen a lot of posts that say do what the card says not what it doesn't say. '"If a ship equipped with the Dauntless title executes a red maneuver and overlaps another ship, it cannot perform a free action". That seems pretty clear cut really it may not be what was intended but that is what it says.

That's not a card. It's not even a rule. It's a clarification. That's not in the Errata section of the FAQ, which actually changes the wording on certain cards, it's in the Clarifications section, which is a place where they describe edge cases and explain how the rules shake out in them. "Do what the card says to do, do not do what the card says not to do" just doesn't apply here.

Ok but I am still confused and I guess I will remain so until the rule is cleared up properly by FFG. The Clarification changes what the Dauntless title says as it says " after you execute a maneuver that causes you to overlap another ship you may perform 1 free action then receive 1 stress token" no mention there of colour of maneuver. The clarification says "If a ship equipped with the Dauntless title executes a red maneuver and overlaps another ship, it cannot perform a free action. If it executes a green maneuver, overlaps another ship, and uses Dauntless to perform a free action, the stress it receives is not removed by the green maneuver."

I read that as if you perform a red maneuver you do not get a free action no mention of stress tokens at all, you would get stress as you have performed a red maneuver and Yorr could take the token . If you perform a green maneuver overlap and use dauntless you get a free action then receive stress token. After that Yorr would take stress. Still seems clear you don't get a free action if you perform a red maneuver and overlap, stress token or no stress token. The stress from dauntless happens after the free action and only if you performed a green maneuver.

Ok but I am still confused and I guess I will remain so until the rule is cleared up properly by FFG. The Clarification changes what the Dauntless title says

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as it says " after you execute a maneuver that causes you to overlap another ship you may perform 1 free action then receive 1 stress token" no mention there of colour of maneuver. The clarification says "If a ship equipped with the Dauntless title executes a red maneuver and overlaps another ship, it cannot perform a free action. If it executes a green maneuver, overlaps another ship, and uses Dauntless to perform a free action, the stress it receives is not removed by the green maneuver."

I read that as if you perform a red maneuver you do not get a free action no mention of stress tokens at all, you would get stress as you have performed a red maneuver and Yorr could take the token . If you perform a green maneuver overlap and use dauntless you get a free action then receive stress token. After that Yorr would take stress. Still seems clear you don't get a free action if you perform a red maneuver and overlap, stress token or no stress token. The stress from dauntless happens after the free action and only if you performed a green maneuver.

It's. Just. An. Example. They didn't take Yorr into account when they wrote it. There is no global restriction on action taking that cares about what color your maneuver was but not about your stress, nor is there a specific one for Dauntless. That would have been in the Errata section, because it would have required changing the text of Dauntless.

OK I get it now the over use of the full stop or period (depending on what country you are from) really cleared that up :) .....

I think it's just sloppy FAQing. They're trying to clarify that the stress is added (or removed if green) before you can trigger Dauntless. In pre-TFA rules, Dauntless trigger would have occurred before stress management. Yorr should override the FAQ.

On the bright side, with the Decimator's dial, this only matters if you pick up a Damaged Engine crit.

Just to put this one to bed, I sent off an email and received this response from Frank:

In response to your rules question:

Rules Question:

Hello, A question regarding the Dauntless title has come up. The current FAQ states that, if a ship equipped with Dauntless overlaps another ship performing a red maneuver, it cannot use Dauntless (as the stress token is assigned before the card triggers). However, what if a friendly Captain Yorr takes the stress token for the Decimator? Can Dauntless be used in that case?

Yes. If the Dauntless executes a red maneuver overlapping another ship and Captain Yorr takes the stress token, the Dauntless can perform a free action and receive another stress token (which Captain Yorr can also receive if he has two or fewer stress tokens).
Thanks for playing,

Frank Brooks
Associate Creative Content Developer
Fantasy Flight Games

So yes, it is just sloppy FAQ'ing. If you can somehow intercept the stress from the red maneuver, you are free to use Dauntless.

Edited by DR4CO

Also, there are no Red moves on the Decimator dial.

Also, there are no Red moves on the Decimator dial.

There are if you take the relevant crit, or the relevant EPT.