Has anyone else realised the implications of the change to the tournament rules for playing with/against Large Ships?

You now only count the points of ships completely destroyed in determining the winner. THEN you calculate MOV. Therefore a player with a 60 points Fat Han on 1 Hull now defeats a player with two 22 points B-Wings. However, the MOV will count the Fat Han as 30 points. So you can win a game and have a worse MOV than the player you beat.....

come again?

You are thankfully incorrect. Nothing has functionally changed, they are just saying that the half-point rule applies to every step in the MoV section of the tournament rules, which covers both scoring and MoV, if you consider those two things to be separate which they really aren't.

For proof that nothing has changed, please look at the unchanged example on the top of the right column of page 3. A large ship with less than half hp is "worth half his total squad point value" and there is no distinction made between MoV and scoring to determine the winner of the game. Additionally, there were no revised score sheets released to record both the game score and score that counts for MoV, because they are still the exact same thing.

I only skimmed it, but that's definitely not how I read it. They were just clarifying language, as far as I could tell, nothing has fundamentally changed.

This is direct copy and paste from P3. If my Fat Han is on the table he counts all his points in determining victory/loss. Then when determining MOV you count half points if he's down to half his starting Hull/Shields!!!!!!!

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• at the end of the current round, the match time limit has been reached. (if time is called mid-round, players must nish the round.) each player calculates their score by adding together the total squad point value of their opponent’s destroyed ships, including Upgrade cards equipped to those ships. the player with the greater score receives a win, and his opponent receives a loss. if the winning player’s score is fewer than

12 points more than his or her opponent’s score, that player receives a modi ed win. if both players have the same score, the game ends in a draw.

When calculating Margin of victory (see “Margin of victory” below), each player receives half the total squad point value (rounded down) of each enemy large ship whose combined total hull and shields, including any Hull Upgrades or shield Upgrades, have been reduced to half or below.

You are thankfully incorrect. Nothing has functionally changed, they are just saying that the half-point rule applies to every step in the MoV section of the tournament rules, which covers both scoring and MoV, if you consider those two things to be separate which they really aren't.

For proof that nothing has changed, please look at the unchanged example on the top of the right column of page 3. A large ship with less than half hp is "worth half his total squad point value" and there is no distinction made between MoV and scoring to determine the winner of the game. Additionally, there were no revised score sheets released to record both the game score and score that counts for MoV, because they are still the exact same thing.

He is correct. MoV is different than end of match scoring, period.

Satis there are already 3 other threads about this, just look a bit down.

I hope I'm reading it wrong, but RAW I fear I'm correct

You are thankfully incorrect. Nothing has functionally changed, they are just saying that the half-point rule applies to every step in the MoV section of the tournament rules, which covers both scoring and MoV, if you consider those two things to be separate which they really aren't.

For proof that nothing has changed, please look at the unchanged example on the top of the right column of page 3. A large ship with less than half hp is "worth half his total squad point value" and there is no distinction made between MoV and scoring to determine the winner of the game. Additionally, there were no revised score sheets released to record both the game score and score that counts for MoV, because they are still the exact same thing.

If nothing changes, why make the change to the Tournament Rules? The example doesn't say anything about winning the game. It just illustrates what half health and rounding down are.

It's entirely possible that FFG didn't intended this to be an actual change and were just cleaning up some wording, but without them clarifying things I don't see how we can assume that. MoV has nothing to do with determining the winner of a match. It is solely a tiebreaker. The change from 'score' to 'Margin of Victory (see "Margin of Victory" below")' seems like a deliberate change.

I've seen an email from Alex Davey. He confirms that nothing has changed accept the change of wording in the section where "Margin of Victory" replaced "score"

So you still count points from half damaged large ships when calculating both the winner/loser score and the final MoV

I hope I'm reading it wrong, but RAW I fear I'm correct

Well, have no fear...

I've seen an email from Alex Davey. He confirms that nothing has changed accept the change of wording in the section where "Margin of Victory" replaced "score"

So you still count points from half damaged large ships when calculating both the winner/loser score and the final MoV

Please quote.

I've seen an email from Alex Davey. He confirms that nothing has changed accept the change of wording in the section where "Margin of Victory" replaced "score"

So you still count points from half damaged large ships when calculating both the winner/loser score and the final MoV

Please quote.

I've seen an email from Alex Davey. He confirms that nothing has changed accept the change of wording in the section where "Margin of Victory" replaced "score"

So you still count points from half damaged large ships when calculating both the winner/loser score and the final MoV

Please quote.

This is the best I can do. Beware: I am not stipulating that this is proof (I apologize for the inaccurate claim to have "seen" the email)

So what about Julie Sloth's new profile picture?

I've seen an email from Alex Davey. He confirms that nothing has changed accept the change of wording in the section where "Margin of Victory" replaced "score"

So you still count points from half damaged large ships when calculating both the winner/loser score and the final MoV

Please quote.

This is the best I can do. Beware: I am not stipulating that this is proof (I apologize for the inaccurate claim to have "seen" the email)

So what about Julie Sloth's new profile picture?

LOL, you're not the first to comment on that ;-) Cute though??

Got this today.

In response to your rules question:

I can confirm as I received the same email - all is good in the X-Wing miniatures Tournament scoring world again

So we can cancel the Re-Install Sky service ticket then, as it didn't actually fall?

**** straight

reinstated large base bull would be disastrous as the jumpmaster would break the **** out of it

I've received the same confirmation from Alex Davy directly via FB. Nothing has changed.

To be fair, my first reaction was also "wtf, did they change it back?".

If their goal was to clear up the wording they should clear it up one more time lol.

Agreed. I was certain they meant that the half points only applied to MoV. It's good to know that it applies to both.

Got this today.

In response to your rules question:[/size]

Message:

Hi- In the recent FAQ was the reversal of the half points for large ships deliberate or confused wording? Thanks for your time.

For the large ships whose combined total hull and shields that have been reduced to half or below are worth half of the total squad point value of that ship, this is calculated not only for determining Margin of Victory but also for determining who has won the match. This is not a change from the previous iteration of the rules as the half health for large base ships is still used to calculate the victor.

Thanks for playing,

Frank Brooks

Thanks, Frank!!

Im just really happy to have this resolved, as i was really unsure.

I honestly read the ruling as OP suggested, and im honestly just trying to follow Rules As Written, reading left to right, top to bottom. Am I right to say that in the rule book it probably says "a ship is destroyed when it receives a number of damage >= hull value, or if it flies off the map" ? If so, THIS is what makes it unclear. Especially because there are no rules about "half points" until AFTER the tourney rules state how to determine a winner-

There could honestly be a section called "Scoring Points" that helps cover this, or something.

My only issue with this... Is why do they keep making things worse?

They tried to make the rules more clear and instead made them much, much worse. It's getting to the point I wonder if they wouldn't be better off picking a collection of people from these boards to run drafts by. Because we catch things pretty quickly that whoever is editing the rules doesn't.

My only issue with this... Is why do they keep making things worse?

They tried to make the rules more clear and instead made them much, much worse. It's getting to the point I wonder if they wouldn't be better off picking a collection of people from these boards to run drafts by. Because we catch things pretty quickly that whoever is editing the rules doesn't.

Because they are human and people occasionally make mistakes.