I dont have any AOR or FaD books, so im curious how species that are known to resist things like Force powers Sense works? Is there any opposed checks to Force Mind Tricks being used on you?
Gamemasters: Species with force resistance
Willpower and discipline for the most part rolling based on how high it is.
so how does it work? Does the Force User roll the force die to generate the power; Sense in this case, and the difficulty of the check is based on the FR of the force user?
It is more complicated than that and it depends on what power is being used.
I dont have any AOR or FaD books, so im curious how species that are known to resist things like Force powers Sense works? Is there any opposed checks to Force Mind Tricks being used on you?
From FaD, the GM can allow for an opposed check (provided there's no skill check involved already), with the suggestion being that only major NPCs and the PCs being allowed to do this.
It's simply an opposed check using whatever skills the GM feels are appropriate, with Discipline being the default skill.
Hutts and Toydarians (two species noted with resistance to Force powers, namely mind tricks) don't have anything special game rules to resist Force powers.
Hutts and Toydarians (two species noted with resistance to Force powers, namely mind tricks) don't have anything special game rules to resist Force powers.
They have a higher will trait.
Reading people mind with sense only allow to catch glimpse of NPC thoughts so it os hardly a problem to the GM
Reading people mind with sense only allow to catch glimpse of NPC thoughts so it os hardly a problem to the GM
Less worried about it from a GM perception and more just about how things like that are represented in the system. even if your species isnt known for it, I know ny one with a strong willpower can resist or at least make it very difficult to use such powers on that individual
Hutts and Toydarians (two species noted with resistance to Force powers, namely mind tricks) don't have anything special game rules to resist Force powers.
They have a higher will trait.
To be a bit more clear by my intent, when I said "special game rules" I was referring to things like getting a special bonus to specifically to resist mind tricks, something that prior Star Wars RPGs had done for Hutts and that the d20 games did for Toydarians.
In this system, a Toydarian with Willpower 3 and no ranks in Discipline is no better at resisting mental Force power than a Human with Willpower 3 and no ranks in Discipline. Yeah, the Toydarians and Hutts have a higher base Willpower, but that's all they've got.
The reason in the past why influence powers didn't work was a person being weak minded or low Willpower. Cad Bane was one of those force resistant species I believe and having a higher than average Willpower took 3 jedi to break his mind.
The reason in the past why influence powers didn't work was a person being weak minded or low Willpower. Cad Bane was one of those force resistant species I believe and having a higher than average Willpower took 3 jedi to break his mind.
Cad Bane was a Duros, which are not known to be resistant. More likely, he was not weak-minded. He was exceptionally willful.
The reason in the past why influence powers didn't work was a person being weak minded or low Willpower. Cad Bane was one of those force resistant species I believe and having a higher than average Willpower took 3 jedi to break his mind.
I'm not sure Mace Windu should count as one of those three. Other than that scene, has he demonstratred ANY use of Mind Trick? He might only have the base power as a minimum competency and focused on other areas.
I was gonna say the only species that I know that is force resistant are the Toydarians, I think Jabba the Hutt was just strong of will like Cad Bane, or does it say somewhere that Hutts are force resistant? And as far as rules are concerned I think you just have the players try and mind trick 'em and then say "Mind tricks don't work on me! Only money! Ha!" and then move on.
I would just Rule it in game that Mind tricks don't work on Toydarians or Hutts and be done with it.
Beyond that Anyone else would be using Will or discipline to Resist mind tricks
I don't think the Toydarians and Hutts were ever meant to be totally immune to mind altering powers, only incredibly resistant. An exceptionally powerful force user could still force his way through, though there might be other side effects.
I don't think the Toydarians and Hutts were ever meant to be totally immune to mind altering powers, only incredibly resistant. An exceptionally powerful force user could still force his way through, though there might be other side effects.
You don't think? Do you have anything from a source to support this?
Or is this just your Opinion?
Thank the Force, those abominations are finally done in for good. And good riddance! I say.
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SnowDragon, on 27 Dec 2015 - 12:02 AM, said:
BadMotivator, on 26 Dec 2015 - 2:56 PM, said:I don't think the Toydarians and Hutts were ever meant to be totally immune to mind altering powers, only incredibly resistant. An exceptionally powerful force user could still force his way through, though there might be other side effects.
You don't think? Do you have anything from a source to support this?
Or is this just your Opinion?
I can send you back the question. Do you have source that say the contrary?
The only information we have in the movie are Jabba and Watto saying these tricks dont work on them. No mention about their species being immune.
I don't think the Toydarians and Hutts were ever meant to be totally immune to mind altering powers, only incredibly resistant. An exceptionally powerful force user could still force his way through, though there might be other side effects.
You don't think? Do you have anything from a source to support this?
Or is this just your Opinion?
Do you have anything to support the claim that Toydarians are immune other than the word of a toydarian who resisted and said they don't work on him? Obiwan said the force has a strong effect on the weak minded. Do you assume the whole galaxy is weak minded? Is Rey immune or did she have a strong will?
There was also the Clone wars series interactions with the Toydarians.
The fluff Text provided by FFG stated that Hutts and Toydarians were immune to manipulations by the force.
(Trying to find the exact page reference again)
It was stated by the Devs that it wasn't given as an Ability but stated in the Fluff text to give GMs the Leeway to rule it either way.
But combined with the movie statement, Clonewars series and the Fluff text, it is More support than that which says they are not actually immune.
and a 3 Will power is Hardly Immunity. Not even Close to Immunity. And Qui-Gon-Jin was Hardly a Rube at the force or Willpower. I think he could have easily over come a 3 willpower, or at the very Least given the Toydarian Pause to shake it off...
But Wado wasn't even sure what Qui-gon was trying to do, Like he didn't even "Feel" something trying to push at his will.
Rey, on the other hand, and Poe showed an actual struggle, they showed that something was pushing on their will as they attempted to resist it. Poe Failed in the end where Rey succeeded.
I personally run it that Toydairans and Hutts are Immune. it jsut will not work on them, willpower high or low not-withstanding.
Edited by SnowDragonNo where have I heard the dev say such a thing. A 3 will makes them tough to manipulate. Have then get some discipline and they are much harder to effect.
I heard the development give a 3 will to represent the difficulty.
Edited by DaeglanFound it..
In the Book: Enter the Unknown, Page 22 2nd column Under the head of Toydarians, second Paragrah of the Toydarian description starting with "Physiology" Last sentence.
One of their most interesting physical features has to do with their brains: They are completely immune to any manipulations via the Force.
Now this is stated in the fluff and not given as an ability. But I don't feel it needs to be given as an ability as it is stated fairly clearly in the fluff text.
Now the argument that they have a Will of 3 gives them basic immunity doesn't fly with me. There are MANY other races with a Will of 3 that make no claims to be "immune to Jedi mind tricks".
The Hutt at least get rank in Discipline and the text of being immune? I can not find for them. But is is very much there with the Toydarians.
Now even though the text says "immune to ANY manipulations b the force, I read the intent as meaning mental manipulations as the brain is mentioned. I am not arguing that thet are immune to ALL aspects of the force. Just the Mental manipulations.
The bit about GM interpretation was explained on one of the episodes of Order 66. I don't recall which episode.
Do we have any canonical evidence that Hutts are immune?
Jabba wasn't falling for it, but that's certainly not definitive for all Hutts. Luke was still coming into his own as a Jedi, and Jabba has lived through the fall of the Jedi. I doubt he's a pushover in the Will department.