Because it's the only TIE you ever see close. You see some cockpits later, but you don't know who they are, and are given no context to be sure whether or not there's more room in there. And no one really acts like the TIE is special when they get in it, it's just the closest thing for them to run to. It just seems like TIEs have gotten more modern, not that they happened to stumble into the one special TIE. Kinda like how Poe's X-Wing has a turret at the beginning, but we don't see proof that the other ones do.

I imagine Poe's turret is fairly standard. It's the kind of thing you'd want if you were aiming to leave a hot LZ.

Why the pilot has to man it however, is beyond me.

What is this special forces tie everyone keeps talking about?

Where was it in the movie,and how are we so certain iy will be released?

It was literally at the beginning.

Literally? Expound,please, if I haven't trampled upon your tender sensibilities with my question.

No it's just frustrating- the sheer lack of observational skills.

Red stripe, turret underslung, two people in one TIE, fatter engines, power cells on the inner side of the wings, so on and so forth.

It's the one Poe and Finn escape on, and how that could ever be missed is just beyond me.

So I HAVE trampled your tender sensibilities.

I'm clearly not as much of a nerd as you are. I wasn't watching the movie for preconceived starship model differences.

If you have that's cool man,but you're being a bit of a ******, for the record.

Thanks for answering my question, I night suggest you work on not being frustrated by people who have a different level of technical appreciation when watching a work of fiction.

Speaking of observational skills,I'm surprised you haven't figured that out about the real world around you- though this might be related to why you're so tuned in to a made up world instead.

Before seeing the movie I thought it was going to be different enough to warrant a model, the way many here do. I even had it down as one in a separate personal thread as one we could look forward to. After seeing the movie the first time though I thought yeah maybe not. And now seeing it a second time and trying to spot other TIE/sf in different scenes, I'm just scratching my head like, this doesn't make sense anymore. Hell the scene we see it escaping the hangar I'm having a hard time distinguishing it from other TIE fighters, that are in the same hangar and I can't even tell if their stock or custom any way. Hell, the only time I really caught the red stripe was in the bar fight when the two escorts were guarding Kylo's escape and happen to turn the right way. And damnd if I couldn't tell whether or not those ties had been modified when staring at them, likely due to the angle. But the point remains that despite the differences that we can see in stills and concept art and in cockpit scenes, it's really not that different. Unfortunately for us.

From a model making stand point, its not enough to sculpt on the batteries and antenna, their barely noticeable at this scale. The rear window could be done and that would be something but why design a new model where the back is the most distinctly different view. And to be honest I can't do the not-turret ventral cannon because it's in the way of the mounting peg point. Can't use a B-wing mounting peg either since that will ruin the rear window thing. And I find it seriously hard to justify a newly designed 45°mounting peg for just the one model which is not all that different or distinct at this point, when I have an existing one available to me. Just repaint the stock model with the red stripe and print some new pilots and titles and TIE/fo modifications. All the same gain, far simpler and elegant. Not to mention consumer friendly.

Because let's be real for a second and look at what this one little ship being made would mean for all of X-wing, assuming we go with the idea that the minor differences are enough to justify a whole new model. The Falcon. We need two new models of the YT-1300 because the one we have doesn't represent the stock model very well at all and the new Falcon has a distinctly different dish. Come on now, we all know that yes we would buy it but we really don't need it to continue. Then we need a prototype Blade Wing model from Rebels. Then we need a X-wing Tandem two seater. Then it's something else. And while we would still put money down on some of that, it's way better to keep the product line slim but with richer content.

As some one so rudely insinuated my ignorance on the matter earlier, didn't expect that out here but whatever, this is a business, and one that has a hard time as it is keeping orders filled when it's retooling the factory all the time to produce the line it already has. And the goal is not to maximize product line size, it is to maximize profits ideally off of something that your cost to produce is low on. It makes way more sense to get double duty out of the perfectly serviceable ship they have made and can readily produce then to go off making a new one right away in this case. Why screw with making a whole new ship that won't be that distinct when I can just change the paint scheme a tad and shove it in a different box?

Now come Episode VIII, and wave 11 and two years from now? If there's enough distinction given this ship/modification sequential movie and the new video games haven't given us enough new toys to play with and we really are flat out of ships to make? Maybe. But it really doesn't make much sense other wise. So I'll be looking forward to a TIE/sf title/modification for now. And that will be just fine with me.

Have any of you people on here that think they will not make a model of the SpecForces Tie seen the Micro-machine models of it....they are quite different when you get to the engine section. And micromachines are even smaller and less detailed than Xwing minitures. So Give me a break, they ARE going to make it, and it is different enough to have its own model, not to mention its own abilities and upgrades (Cannon that can fire in the auxillary arc, and missiles).

falcon aces as in rebel aces

which is what this would be: same ship, different paint; different pilots

And a better release, desired by more players, than yet more unrecognisable old-EU garbage.

Now come Episode VIII, and wave 11 and two years from now? If there's enough distinction given this ship/modification sequential movie and the new video games haven't given us enough new toys to play with and we really are flat out of ships to make? Maybe.

We were out of ships to make two waves ago.

At the end of the day, FFG has released models for ships that were never even featured in the movies, to be flown by characters that were never named, and only appeared in a two second scene in a single movie.

Why would they continue to dredge up more awful EU content when there is a perfectly good new ship, on the screen, blowing stuff up, that fans are going to want to buy?

Ok I just took a look at some videos on you tube - I didn't find the engines terribly different looking based on those vids. The most significant difference was still the reinforced panel struts.

As for the TIE/fo - they probably wouldnt have packaged them that way if they were not making a TFA Core set. It's the first (hopefully last) repaint brand new ship.

Like I said, I'm still hoping they make a new model for it. We'll just have to see what FFG does. In all likelyhood, if they were NOT going to make a new model and use a Title to upgrade, said title whould have come in the TIE/fo expansion already.

Firstly, there are simply not enough ships in canon available for scum. Other than Slave 1 and Hound's Tooth, every other ship in scum is an Legends ship, or is piloted/crewed by EU characters. The Millenium Falcon is the only other scummy ship canon in the game, with drug runner Han & Chewie and swindler, wheeler-dealer Lando.

Second, X-Wing is a Canon + Legends game (this includes all FFG Star Wars game lines except maybe the board games, which I'm not sure), I know I wouldn't be playing if they hadn't brought in the 5 bounty hunter ships.

Thirdly, in the last 2 years (wave 2 onwards) only the E-Wing, K-Wing and TIE Punisher are not canon.

The mercs/bounty hunters had a ship that might fit the bill (though only visible for a sec or two) and the resistance had a transport which Leia arrived in. It's enough for one wave but no more than that.

You really have to milk it for a full wave. I did expect more ships as it was Star Wars not Sky Wars of Flash gorden with the hawkmen. but yeah there really wasn't anything much for ships for X-wing, and not a **** thing for Armada.

There was a ship that could be use for scum. The Falcon could be Resistance I don't know about Scum but it is possible, as for the First Order they did have the most with two TIE Fighters a shuttle and a troop transport. The recon transport for the resistance looks almost the same though.

Well, including possible repaints and re-releases we could have:

T-70 X Wing

Millennium Falcon

Quadjumper

Resistance transport

Stormtrooper Transport

TIE/sf

I think that's enough for a wave.

Thirdly, in the last 2 years (wave 2 onwards) only the E-Wing, K-Wing and TIE Punisher are not canon.

Off the top of my head, ships that are not canon:

E wing

K wing

Punisher

Kirhaxz

Phantom

Scyck

Starviper

Brobots

YT2400

I can't think of any others right now.

FFG would be MAD to focus on yet more non-canon EU ships that no one has ever heard of, and ignore a visually distinct ship that is screen canon.

The quad jumper and transports are out - the first 2 are not armed - the AAL is a landing ship, a type of craft that has had a canon shop for yonks but is practically unusable at this scale of play - it would be suitable maybe for Armada if they add in boarding - also its a space to planetary transport like the old LAATs.

The Eravana is too big - and we never see the whole ship anyway. So is the Meson Martinet.

Anyway I never did expect much ships from the movie anyway. Here's a breakdown of starfighters (small to large only) per movie:

1) Episode 4 (5): X-Wing, Y-Wing, M. Falcon, TIE Fighter, TIE Advanced

2) Episode 5 (2): TIE Bomber, Slave I

3) Episode 6 (4): A-Wing, B-Wing, TIE Interceptor, Lambda shuttle

4) Episode 4, 5, 6 Special Edition (2): Sentinel Landing Craft, Outrider

5) Episode 1 (4 + 2 unarmed): J-Type 327 Nubian, N-1, Star Courier, Vulture-droid starfighter, Sheathipede-class shuttle, Dusty Duck (J-Type 327 Nubian, Dusty Duck(?) are unarmed)

6) Episode 2 (2 + 4 unarmed): Delta-7 Aethersprite, Nantex-class, H-type Nubian yacht, J-type diplomatic barge, Punworcca 116, Taylander shuttle (H-type Nubian yacht, J-type diplomatic barge, Punworcca 116, Taylander shuttle are unarmed)

7) Episode 3 (9): ARC-170 starfighter, Eta-2 Actis, Alpha-3 Nimbus, Belbullab-22, Mankvim-814, J-Type Naboo star skiff, Porax-38, Theta-class T-2c shuttle, Droid tri-fighter

8) Episode 7 (4 + 2 unarmed): Upsilon-class shuttle, TIE/fo, TIE/sf, T-70 X-wing, Quadjumper, Resistance Transport (Quadjumper, Resistance Transport look unarmed)

As you can see there are a total of 4 armed ships in this movie - which is the average.

Thirdly, in the last 2 years (wave 2 onwards) only the E-Wing, K-Wing and TIE Punisher are not canon.

Off the top of my head, ships that are not canon:

E wing

K wing

Punisher

Kirhaxz

Phantom

Scyck

Starviper

Brobots

YT2400

I can't think of any others right now.

FFG would be MAD to focus on yet more non-canon EU ships that no one has ever heard of, and ignore a visually distinct ship that is screen canon.

Ok I meant other than Scum - already said its impossible to do scum without EU. The Outrider (YT-2400) is cannon its in the SE version of A New Hope. So are the Z-95s, VT-49, HWK-290, TIE Defender, Hound's Tooth.

Thirdly, in the last 2 years (wave 2 onwards) only the E-Wing, K-Wing and TIE Punisher are not canon.

Off the top of my head, ships that are not canon:

E wing

K wing

Punisher

Kirhaxz

Phantom

Scyck

Starviper

Brobots

YT2400

I can't think of any others right now.

FFG would be MAD to focus on yet more non-canon EU ships that no one has ever heard of, and ignore a visually distinct ship that is screen canon.

You forgot TIE Defender, Decimator, TIE Phantom, YV-666, IG-2000 and the Imperial Raider since those are all not in any of the movies.

Cannon is no long the complicated mess it was during the Lucas era. As long as it appears in 6 movies or The Clone Wars TV series - it is canon. If it appears in any canon license product, such as a TV series (Rebels), movie (The Force Awakens), video game (SW: Commander, Battlefront, Uprising), comic (the new Marvel series), short story or novel (Aftermath, Lost Stars, Tarkin), it is equally canon regardless of it source.

FFG's product lines is notable NOT included as they are Legends Continuaity Products. This make sense for the following reasons:

1) Lack of content for X-Wing & Armada

2) FFG created content for Imperial Assault and the 3 RPG lines.

3) Have 0 experience with the card games so can't comment on it - but its been running longer than the Disney buyout I believe - may be Legends content it in prior to the buyout.

The amount of TIE models is practically infinite but 3 x-wing models is too much?

I think we might get more ships when the Rest of the Republic rallies to strike back and we see larger forces clash than only the Resistance and a limited part of the FO

Well, if the new trilogy hews to the pacing of the old, I doubt we get any real space combat in Ep VIII.

No - there will be some great snow battles and asteroid field pursuit scenes though

Well, including possible repaints and re-releases we could have:T-70 X WingMillennium FalconQuadjumperResistance transportStormtrooper TransportTIE/sfI think that's enough for a wave.

We've already got the t-70, the falcon is identical to the OT version besides the dish so you'd be paying £25 for the Pilot cards.

Quadjumper did naff all but blow up I don't even know if it's armed.

Troop transport and storm trooper transport never fired a shot and there's no land battle component so neither really has a role not already occupied.

The cog is the only ship left suitable for this game.

Well, including possible repaints and re-releases we could have:T-70 X WingMillennium FalconQuadjumperResistance transportStormtrooper TransportTIE/sfI think that's enough for a wave.

We've already got the t-70, the falcon is identical to the OT version besides the dish so you'd be paying £25 for the Pilot cards.

Quadjumper did naff all but blow up I don't even know if it's armed.

Troop transport and storm trooper transport never fired a shot and there's no land battle component so neither really has a role not already occupied.

The cog is the only ship left suitable for this game.

The Quadjumper is a tugboat. 8meters, 1 crew with room for 2 passengers. Unarmed, basically just 4 engines, arranged round fuel tank, cramped cockpit with 3 seats, cramped crew bunk. On the outside freight cranes and clamps.

I would really LOVE to have tugboats in the game for scenarios. But I doubt we will get Quadjumpers. Maybe as an armored converted build for rebels or S&V, but very doubtful.

I think if we were to get any more ep7 stuff it would only be Ren's shuttle (not likely). Hopefully ep8 has some juicy new ships

We've already got the t-70, the falcon is identical to the OT version besides the dish so you'd be paying £25 for the Pilot cards.

Money money money. You really think FFG will release a repainted A Wing, B Wing, and TIE Interceptor but not a repainted T-70 when that repainted T-70 actually appears on screen in the movies.

Quadjumper did naff all but blow up I don't even know if it's armed.

As opposed to the Misthunter or IG2000 which had how much time on screen?

Troop transport and storm trooper transport never fired a shot and there's no land battle component so neither really has a role not already occupied.

The Lambda never fired a shot either. Neither did the GR75. Both are in the game.

The cog is the only ship left suitable for this game.

FFG is in this for the money. They are scrambling to release every ship they can. They hit the bottom of the EU barrel some time ago, and started digging. Now they have new ships that are on screen in the new movie, and you think they won't release them?

Come on.

The Quadjumper is a tugboat. 8meters, 1 crew with room for 2 passengers. Unarmed, basically just 4 engines, arranged round fuel tank, cramped cockpit with 3 seats, cramped crew bunk. On the outside freight cranes and clamps.

I would really LOVE to have tugboats in the game for scenarios. But I doubt we will get Quadjumpers. Maybe as an armored converted build for rebels or S&V, but very doubtful.

And the Lambda is a shuttle and the YT models are freighters. The Quadjumper is noted as being a favourite of explorers and smugglers because of it's ease of customisation and powerful engines. I think it would be a great S&V ship and could easily imagine it being customised to have some guns to keep enemies away.

As some one so rudely insinuated my ignorance on the matter earlier, didn't expect that out here but whatever, this is a business, and one that has a hard time as it is keeping orders filled when it's retooling the factory all the time to produce the line it already has. And the goal is not to maximize product line size, it is to maximize profits ideally off of something that your cost to produce is low on. It makes way more sense to get double duty out of the perfectly serviceable ship they have made and can readily produce then to go off making a new one right away in this case. Why screw with making a whole new ship that won't be that distinct when I can just change the paint scheme a tad and shove it in a different box?

If that was me, my apologies if I came off as brusque or rude but there have been some remarkably ill-informed and almost churlish behavior on the forums lately regarding individual perceptions of FFG's business model (or, more accurately, what they think they SHOULD do), I didn't mean to be insulting. I've always found these forums to be pretty mellow, wasn't my intent to be an ass.

If your argument is that they'll simply repaint a model rather than release a new model, that could well be but the point remains the same. FFG are a business and their goal (as you say) is to maximize the profits so if they think they can sell us an upgrade then they will. I don't believe they'll just give us a new title when they can sell us a new model to go with it. Or an Aces/Veterans pack, or as part of a large ship release.

There is no reason for them NOT to do it, assuming that the problems you reference about them being unable to keep items supplied are not ongoing (which I don't think they are, I think the game has just grown at a rate they didn't plan for). Same thing with the Falcon. They are in the business of selling us new stuff and if they can sell us a new YT-1300 to tie into the movie that doesn't completely invalidate the old model (and they have shown with the existence of both cores as well as other releases that they can do this), they will do exactly that.

I might be wrong but have there been any other times when they have given a fix or new title away either free or as a gesture of good will? The fixes for the Advanced required buying the Raider and you got a new model, so that was hardly charitable (although I actually like the way it was done because, again, it didn't invalidate the need to buy the old model plus they gave you 3 extra copies of the fix either for your own fleet or to sell to the secondary market). Most Wanted did this in a big way, but only to bring other models you had or would invest in (Slave 1) to a whole new faction.

Again, sorry if that was me and I was being dickish, forums are designed for debate and I love hearing opposing viewpoints (even if I don't agree with them).

The Guavian Death Gang had a ship, and I assume Kanjiklub did as well. More scum large ships?

The Eravana is too big for even a huge ship (listed at over 400 meters long, which is crazy, that's longer than the Nebulon B!)

Quad jumper would make a great TIE Shuttle for scum.

Falcon with scum pilots and new dish will sell, especially with Rey and Chewie as Resistence pilots thrown in.

The only remaining ships from TFA suitable for X-Wing are the Upilson class-shuttle (it's not quite as massive as people imagine - its longest dimension - height is about 27m fully estended officially) and the TIE/sf. Maybe the Resistance Shuttle (it looks like it might be armed, and rebels don't have a ship that does a full stop).

The quadhopper is unarmed, the stormtrooper transport is an atmospheric drop ship.

The Guavian Death Gang had a ship, and I assume Kanjiklub did as well. More scum large ships?

The Eravana is too big for even a huge ship (listed at over 400 meters long, which is crazy, that's longer than the Nebulon B!)

Quad jumper would make a great TIE Shuttle for scum.

Falcon with scum pilots and new dish will sell, especially with Rey and Chewie as Resistence pilots thrown in.

Wasn't really expecting Scum ships in the movie really - there has only ever been 1 - the Slave I. Other visual tie-in material such as comics should be out soon - maybe we'll get more stuff there.

Wish there was a way to double-like!

We've already got the t-70, the falcon is identical to the OT version besides the dish so you'd be paying £25 for the Pilot cards.

Money money money. You really think FFG will release a repainted A Wing, B Wing, and TIE Interceptor but not a repainted T-70 when that repainted T-70 actually appears on screen in the movies.

Quadjumper did naff all but blow up I don't even know if it's armed.

As opposed to the Misthunter or IG2000 which had how much time on screen?

Troop transport and storm trooper transport never fired a shot and there's no land battle component so neither really has a role not already occupied.

The Lambda never fired a shot either. Neither did the GR75. Both are in the game.

The cog is the only ship left suitable for this game.

FFG is in this for the money. They are scrambling to release every ship they can. They hit the bottom of the EU barrel some time ago, and started digging. Now they have new ships that are on screen in the new movie, and you think they won't release them?

Come on.

The Quadjumper is a tugboat. 8meters, 1 crew with room for 2 passengers. Unarmed, basically just 4 engines, arranged round fuel tank, cramped cockpit with 3 seats, cramped crew bunk. On the outside freight cranes and clamps.

I would really LOVE to have tugboats in the game for scenarios. But I doubt we will get Quadjumpers. Maybe as an armored converted build for rebels or S&V, but very doubtful.

And the Lambda is a shuttle and the YT models are freighters. The Quadjumper is noted as being a favourite of explorers and smugglers because of it's ease of customisation and powerful engines. I think it would be a great S&V ship and could easily imagine it being customised to have some guns to keep enemies away.