According to the Force Awakens incredble cross-sections, Poe flies a T-70. The book calls it 'a customsied example codenamed Black One' and refers to the ship as the latest incarnation of the venerable X Wing family. There's no mention of a T-85.

God dammit Disney! You're supposed to STOP making canon conflictions, not make brand new ones..!

The T-85 does indeed exist however.

But it's like the sasquatch.

According to the Force Awakens incredble cross-sections, Poe flies a T-70. The book calls it 'a customsied example codenamed Black One' and refers to the ship as the latest incarnation of the venerable X Wing family. There's no mention of a T-85.

God dammit Disney! You're supposed to STOP making canon conflictions, not make brand new ones..!

The T-85 does indeed exist however.

But it's like the sasquatch.

So our man Poe just likes black alot. He flew a black T-85 in the New Republic Defense Fleet and now he flies a black T-70 with the Resistance.

Rebels won't get any new ships from the movies for another two years, rogue one is set before a new hope and we know what the rebels had then is already in game.

Given the movie is a remake of hope there should of been a y-wing equivalent and a tie advanced.

Also, the black X-wing is technically a T-85, I think.

It is identical to the other T-70s.

Even if Poe Dameron has a T-85 in other media, in the movie he pilots only T-70s.

Guys, I see a lot of people complaining about another x-wing, the T-85. But lets face it, if indeed in two years or so FFG does see fit to introduce the T-85, it will either be as a balanced ship with its own role, or more probably, a T-70 title. I don't think anyone would have a problem with a title giving a little more customization to our beloved x-wing line.

I see the T-70 as the F-15 Eagle to the T-85's F-22 Raptor. Sure, the newer one's reached full service - but that doesn't mean it's common, or that it's fully replaced the older model and relegated it all the way out of front-line duty.

Nah, wrong aircraft lineage!

Z-95 is the F-5E

T-65 is the F/A-18C, whose airframe was derived from the F-5

T-70 is the F/A-18E, the upgraded version of the 18C

T-85 would be the F-35C, the replacement for most of the Navy's jets, I guess.

EDIT: I should also point out that the F-35 is still very much in a prototype testing stage, and even when it becomes accepted into the fleet, F/A-18E/Fs will still fly for another couple decades- The F-35 is only replacing the F/A-18C/D.

So is the T-85 going to come out at 55 points for the PS1 generic with a dial on par with a Y-Wing? You know, to stick with the analogy.

I like this guy.

I mean, you're not wrong. At all.

Plenty of ships to be made for scum considering how many 'ugly' fighters were made by grafting components of other ships together. Things like the TYE-wing and X-TIE, not to mention some people have already been kit-bashing these things too.

I see the T-70 as the F-15 Eagle to the T-85's F-22 Raptor. Sure, the newer one's reached full service - but that doesn't mean it's common, or that it's fully replaced the older model and relegated it all the way out of front-line duty.

Nah, wrong aircraft lineage!

Z-95 is the F-5E

T-65 is the F/A-18C, whose airframe was derived from the F-5

T-70 is the F/A-18E, the upgraded version of the 18C

T-85 would be the F-35C, the replacement for most of the Navy's jets, I guess.

EDIT: I should also point out that the F-35 is still very much in a prototype testing stage, and even when it becomes accepted into the fleet, F/A-18E/Fs will still fly for another couple decades- The F-35 is only replacing the F/A-18C/D.

So is the T-85 going to come out at 55 points for the PS1 generic with a dial on par with a Y-Wing? You know, to stick with the analogy.

I like this guy.

I mean, you're not wrong. At all.

It also has no primary weapon: The only way to attack with it is to mount ordnance. it also has an agility of 1 because it's less maneuverable than what it's replacing. It has less HP because it's smaller and cant fit very much armor on it.

The amount of TIE models is practically infinite but 3 x-wing models is too much?

Hey now I never said that.

BUT.

Rebel ships have always been extremely distinct from one-another in design.

Yeah the rebellion has always used a mix of ship classes with visually distinct styles, one of the things I like about their ship inventory, so reducing the Resistance fighter force to all X-Wings is a huge step back IMO.

Rebels won't get any new ships from the movies for another two years, rogue one is set before a new hope and we know what the rebels had then is already in game.

Given the movie is a remake of hope there should of been a y-wing equivalent and a tie advanced.

We don't know yet if Rogue One will only feature ships from the OT or if there will be some as yet unseen ships only used in the Battle of Toprawa/whatever. You never know.

But since it will be a nostalgia trip I doubt we will see more than one new design.

Well before they had x-wing's an y-wing's they had headhunters which we already have and the r-41 starchaser which is a z95 with an ion cannon.

If Kyle katarn appears we already have his ship.

I see the T-70 as the F-15 Eagle to the T-85's F-22 Raptor. Sure, the newer one's reached full service - but that doesn't mean it's common, or that it's fully replaced the older model and relegated it all the way out of front-line duty.

Nah, wrong aircraft lineage!

Z-95 is the F-5E

T-65 is the F/A-18C, whose airframe was derived from the F-5

T-70 is the F/A-18E, the upgraded version of the 18C

T-85 would be the F-35C, the replacement for most of the Navy's jets, I guess.

EDIT: I should also point out that the F-35 is still very much in a prototype testing stage, and even when it becomes accepted into the fleet, F/A-18E/Fs will still fly for another couple decades- The F-35 is only replacing the F/A-18C/D.

So is the T-85 going to come out at 55 points for the PS1 generic with a dial on par with a Y-Wing? You know, to stick with the analogy.

I like this guy.

I mean, you're not wrong. At all.

It also has no primary weapon: The only way to attack with it is to mount ordnance. it also has an agility of 1 because it's less maneuverable than what it's replacing. It has less HP because it's smaller and cant fit very much armor on it.

It will have a cloak action, but the bonus AGI will only work against ships in its arc. Totally worth it.

Rebels won't get any new ships from the movies for another two years, rogue one is set before a new hope and we know what the rebels had then is already in game.

Given the movie is a remake of hope there should of been a y-wing equivalent and a tie advanced.

We don't know yet if Rogue One will only feature ships from the OT or if there will be some as yet unseen ships only used in the Battle of Toprawa/whatever. You never know.

But since it will be a nostalgia trip I doubt we will see more than one new design.

Rogue One might have some new capships as well.

I see the T-70 as the F-15 Eagle to the T-85's F-22 Raptor. Sure, the newer one's reached full service - but that doesn't mean it's common, or that it's fully replaced the older model and relegated it all the way out of front-line duty.

Nah, wrong aircraft lineage!

Z-95 is the F-5E

T-65 is the F/A-18C, whose airframe was derived from the F-5

T-70 is the F/A-18E, the upgraded version of the 18C

T-85 would be the F-35C, the replacement for most of the Navy's jets, I guess.

EDIT: I should also point out that the F-35 is still very much in a prototype testing stage, and even when it becomes accepted into the fleet, F/A-18E/Fs will still fly for another couple decades- The F-35 is only replacing the F/A-18C/D.

So is the T-85 going to come out at 55 points for the PS1 generic with a dial on par with a Y-Wing? You know, to stick with the analogy.

I like this guy.

I mean, you're not wrong. At all.

It also has no primary weapon: The only way to attack with it is to mount ordnance. it also has an agility of 1 because it's less maneuverable than what it's replacing. It has less HP because it's smaller and cant fit very much armor on it.

It will have a cloak action, but the bonus AGI will only work against ships in its arc. Totally worth it.

It's 2 and 3 hard, and 4 and 5 straight will be red, and if you want, you can add an additional ordnance slot, but if you do, it removes the cloak action from your action bar.

I found this to be pretty strange myself. On the one hand, I'm kinda glad from the X-Wing perspective, cause it means that we're more likely to get the last few existing ships that I want, but it was really weird for the movie.

A New Hope had Y-Wings and the much more obviously distinct TIE Advanced. From these forums, I knew there were multiple TIE Fighters in this movie, but I completely forgot about it when watching it, and never noticed.

I think it was most glaring when both TIE Fighters and X-Wings were used in bombing runs that required them to dive down to shoot before pulling back up, instead of just bringing in actual bombers like TIE Bombers and Y-Wings. It kinda made me feel like the person who made that decision for the movie was a casual Star Wars fan who didn't know there were other fighters for the factions.

I don't want to say the other variants shouldn't be in X-Wing, but I think they'd be better off being upgrades in some Aces set than full-on new ships that are hard to tell apart.

After watching it a second time I think it far more likely that the TIE/fo is the only actual new TIE. I think the under slung turret is going to be a Tech card. That way you can put one on X-wings too like Poe's in the opening scene. It's not really a turret anyway since it only shoots forward and back with the wings in the way and all.

I'm just curious how they are going to do Ren's Shuttle.

After watching it a second time I think it far more likely that the TIE/fo is the only actual new TIE. I think the under slung turret is going to be a Tech card. That way you can put one on X-wings too like Poe's in the opening scene. It's not really a turret anyway since it only shoots forward and back with the wings in the way and all.

I'm just curious how they are going to do Ren's Shuttle.

Im not sure why you think that. The main fuselage on a TIE/SF is very different than on an FO, including the physical turret under the cockpit. It'll be a new ship.

But is it different enough to warrant a new model? Its got the cog things and a turret and a new wind shield. And the turret is hardly a turret at all. More like an extra gun that happens to swivel to shoot backwards too. As much as I want me some new ships, I don't see the sense in it as a separate model. Not any time soon at least, maybe for like wave 11.

But is it different enough to warrant a new model? Its got the cog things and a turret and a new wind shield. And the turret is hardly a turret at all. More like an extra gun that happens to swivel to shoot backwards too. As much as I want me some new ships, I don't see the sense in it as a separate model. Not any time soon at least, maybe for like wave 11.

The TIE/fo and TIE/sf are at least as distinctive as the t65 and t70 X-wings. The TIE SF has the large cog mount power supplies on the wings, rear has the gunner window with the engines moved to the wing roots, the underside mounted turret, and the comm antenna.

But is it different enough to warrant a new model?

It's not about being different enough.

It's about FFG having no viable material left to mine for new ships.

Given the choice between releasing the Clawcraft, the Asault Gunboat, or some other obscure EU ship that was featured in some comic strip in the 80's and precisely four fans will remember (K Wing anyone? TIE Punisher? Kirhaxz? I've been a Star Wars fan since the 80's and had never heard of ANY of those ships), given the choice between releasing some more obscure EU ships, or releasing a new ship from the new movie that record numbers of fans have gone to see, that is actually featured in a key scene...

That seems like a no-brainer to me. I can't believe FFG would release something like the K Wing and not release the TIE/sf.

Yeah it is pretty much slim in terms of X-wing content. Still I sort of expect the TIE FO or some TIE to get a turret slot.

As for the new Falcon who knows. I wasn't keen when they called it garbage.

But is it different enough to warrant a new model? Its got the cog things and a turret and a new wind shield. And the turret is hardly a turret at all. More like an extra gun that happens to swivel to shoot backwards too. As much as I want me some new ships, I don't see the sense in it as a separate model. Not any time soon at least, maybe for like wave 11.

you do know FFG are in business to make money, right? if they release a new model - with the red stripe and a turret - do you really think it won't sell as well or better than the stand-alone TIE/fo?

Particularly if they wait 6 months till everyone has binged on TIE/fo's and then they can throw out the TIE/fo and boom, here we all go again.

Not complaining, just don't understand why people don't think they'll take every opportunity to release a new ship whenever they can.

Yeah it is pretty much slim in terms of X-wing content. Still I sort of expect the TIE FO or some TIE to get a turret slot.

As for the new Falcon who knows. I wasn't keen when they called it garbage.

But it's all ways been referred to as a piece of junk when first seen by anyone, then it flies and shows ugly is skin deep.

But it's not changed much in 30 years and isn't worth releasing again.

The shuttle's never fight so I don't expect much from them.

The cog is the only ship left that fought in the movie but you can't release it if there's no rebel and scum ship.

But it's all ways been referred to as a piece of junk when first seen by anyone, then it flies and shows ugly is skin deep.

But it's not changed much in 30 years and isn't worth releasing again.

The shuttle's never fight so I don't expect much from them.

The cog is the only ship left that fought in the movie but you can't release it if there's no rebel and scum ship.

Explain again how that's not worth it?

But it's all ways been referred to as a piece of junk when first seen by anyone, then it flies and shows ugly is skin deep.

But it's not changed much in 30 years and isn't worth releasing again.

The shuttle's never fight so I don't expect much from them.

The cog is the only ship left that fought in the movie but you can't release it if there's no rebel and scum ship.

from FFG's perspective it is TOTALLY worth a rerelease of the Falcon. New model, new pilots and cards, possibly with a S&V component to it, all repackaged for $35-40, bought eagerly by fans worldwide.

Explain again how that's not worth it?

Angering your player base just to make money, look at the negative reaction to them limiting online sales, forcing you to buy the new core etc etc.

You make a scum falcon you anger rebel players, you make a new rebel falcon you anger everyone that already bought one or two, you can't make it better than the old one so it'll be worse which angers people.

Basically there's no way to win so best option is release rey in rebel veterans pack.