Actually the evidence does point to it being a T-85. See Before the Awakening novel. Poe flew a black T-85 before joining the Resistance and getting a T-70. No evidence points to him having repainted his T-70 black in the months he was in the Resistance instead of the Republic Navy.

TFA: Incredible Cross Sections specifically calls out Poe's ship in the TFA movie as a customised T-70.

Yeah main attack on starkiller base was just x-wings vs TIEs. even ep V had x- and Y-wings vs TIEs and vaders custom advanced. I was very dissapointed in the lack of B-wings...

Well i also would have liked a bit more variety for the sake of the X-Wing game, but i think that for the movie it is completely sufficient what they show. They pimped up the most iconic ships, and showcased them very well.

I do hope that in the next episode, we will get some more material when/if the New Republic comes in and larger forces clash. But if they go for a minimalistic approach like Episode VII did concerning war material like fighters, tanks etc. i could understand that too. The movie has to work, the military lore and fluff is just an added boon.

What lucas did in the prequels with having a ton of fighter models, tanks etc, was perhaps nice for selling licensed fan products, but then, if that goes at the cost of a good movie (and it kinda did if you ask me) it's a no-no!

I believe there are two version of the First Order TIE Fighter introduced in TFA. Regular, inverted version and then the special forces version with red paint stripes which can fire backwards.

Well, there are two separate model kits coming out...

That is correct they are two different ships. Most of us have been expecting to see the special forces one in an upcoming wave or other product.

Yeah issue is imps have 2-3 more ships from the movie but rebels don't so faction balance goes out the window.

Well, one wave could sort out the ships from the movie. Resistence Aces with a square dish falcon and black T-70, a blister TIE/SF, and Kylo's shuttle. Done. Add a scum generic and 3 named pilots in the box with the YT (the junkyard guy, one of the ones he stole it from, and Aeron Azzameen with a Sabra title)

Don't forget the Quad Jumper, and the Freighter that takes off from the planets surface in the distance in the background of one of the shots in the early film.

I still don't expect to see any more EU content. Or to be more precise, I expect any EU content will draw primarily from the new EU, and I expect that most new content will be drawn from canon sources like Rebels and the new movies. There's at least another waves worth in TFA.

A full wave of TFA is what ships?

Another TIE/ln but this time with a red stripe ...oh yay

A space higgins boat... Ooooahh

Another lambda just missing one wing and having two extra large wings...I don't mind the look of that ship

And a side ways flying brick, I would really have liked a better look at that thing

That's not a very inspiring wave

Over all Im very disappointed with the ships of TFA

I see no reason why we couldn't have had real X-wings backing up some new craft.

Even the original film managed 4 craft and they had to actually build them with their hands

Really REALLY disappointed

They aren't going to release a new falcon for one pilot, the people who stole the falcon would be scum pilots and they won't give an iconic rebel ship to scum.

They did give an iconic scum ship to the Empire though (Firespray).

And they gave the Y-wing to scum.

Why not the Falcon?

I still don't expect to see any more EU content. Or to be more precise, I expect any EU content will draw primarily from the new EU, and I expect that most new content will be drawn from canon sources like Rebels and the new movies. There's at least another waves worth in TFA.

A full wave of TFA is what ships?

Another TIE/ln but this time with a red stripe ...oh yay

Wich, ironically, Imperial aces already did

Ironlord, I also think they should give the YT-1300 to Scum, but I guess FFG thinks if they would do that then there would be lots of crossover on Scum and Rebels, but that being said, I would love to see scum-YT-1300s it makes sense since it was a widely used freighter type!

Stegocent, I agree some of it is not inspiring, but some is quite cool too.

You said that they just put a red stripe over the standard TIE, but that isnt true at all, the Red-striped TIE (Special Forces TIE) is quite different from theregular TIE/LN, and even different from the TIE/FO too.

It adds a turret, and tw o small engines to the rear sides of the main ball, instead of the larger thruster. It also comes equipped with missiles and mag-pulses according to the movie, though we do not see it fire either.

Yeah the Space Higgins boat isnt great but its more like the Lambda in use than the shuttle Kylo Ren runs around in....I'd like to see the Stromtrooper transport over the shuttle, and that shutle looked quite large, so it might even be as big as the Gozanti or Phantom.

I agree they could have come up with a few more ships, especially another Resistance one, when they took on StarKiller base, like a dedicated Bomber! Like a new Ywing or Bwing, or even something else!

But I completely disagree on them having "real X-wingsbacking up some new craft". Your quote "new Xwings" are 35years old, an andso are quite outdated. The new Xwings are certainly warranted, but yes it would have been nice to see another new Resistance fighter.

As for Ties, I think the FO and the Special Forces ones ae plenty for the first movie, an Iconic ship of the Empire being reinvigorated just a little for the First Order, now yes an updated Interceptor would have been cool too, maybe Phasma in the next movie will get to do something and fly one!

So basically people are complaining that the movie didn't have enough starfighters for this game? Aw, cannot get your ship out...

There were tons of starship designs in this movie, just most of them were transports and shuttles. this is because most ships are transports! And others have brought forth many reasons why only x-wings and TIE fighters were present. Get over it. It's gonna be fine. Gunboat is coming

Actually it looks like scum is about to get a lot of ships from TFA, which is good, they needed to catch up anyway.

I can totally buy that in 30 years the T-70 has come and gone as the republic's front line fighter, especially if it was designed and first produced shortly after the battles of Endor and Jakku. And it's not the design that makes old starfighters old, it's the fact that they don't produce those models anymore. The actual fighters produced 20-25 years ago are old machines that have been used and abused. The alliances y-wings were most likely decades old at Yavin, and I think the t-65s were supposed to be similarly ages but that was changed by WEG. It all depends on how big the production run was and how long they were produced. TIE Defenders were totally awesome but so few were produced, their production facilities were lost, and after 20-30 years the FO would be foolish to use starfighters that Maarek Stele could have flown personally before Endor, no matter if they were technically far superior than even the /sf.

I see the T-70 as the F-15 Eagle to the T-85's F-22 Raptor. Sure, the newer one's reached full service - but that doesn't mean it's common, or that it's fully replaced the older model and relegated it all the way out of front-line duty.

T-65 is f-14 then? Or F-111...

Anyway, are there any Nu canon sources that have said when the t-65 first appeared? Rebels hasn't touched it yet but it appears both a-wings and b-wings have been around for years before Yavin, and presumedly before x-wings.

The T-70 is probably out of front line duty, however.

But there's a whole fleet of them mothballed.

T-65 is f-14 then? Or F-111...

Anyway, are there any Nu canon sources that have said when the t-65 first appeared? Rebels hasn't touched it yet but it appears both a-wings and b-wings have been around for years before Yavin, and presumably before x-wings.

Different cells.

Like, of Rebels. If this is the only cell so far, then X-Wings and Y-Wings aren't in the fold yet. When they are, they most likely won't be fresh. Not the Y-Wings anyway.

I'd love to see a series of episodes regarding their capture at Fresia. It'd be TOTALLY cool.

Not as far as I know.

I see the T-70 as the F-15 Eagle to the T-85's F-22 Raptor. Sure, the newer one's reached full service - but that doesn't mean it's common, or that it's fully replaced the older model and relegated it all the way out of front-line duty.

Nah, wrong aircraft lineage!

Z-95 is the F-5E

T-65 is the F/A-18C, whose airframe was derived from the F-5

T-70 is the F/A-18E, the upgraded version of the 18C

T-85 would be the F-35C, the replacement for most of the Navy's jets, I guess.

EDIT: I should also point out that the F-35 is still very much in a prototype testing stage, and even when it becomes accepted into the fleet, F/A-18E/Fs will still fly for another couple decades- The F-35 is only replacing the F/A-18C/D.

They seemed to go all-in on the new X-Wing, which I assume pleases all the people who view it as the iconic fighter of the SWU (but slightly disappoints those like me, who were drawn to the more interesting background crafts that didn't tale centre stage). Makes sense to save ships/larger scale space battles for the upcoming films, though.

There's so much info on this single page-spread of the Visual Dictionary that it could pretty easily support a Resistance Aces AND a Resistance Veterans expansion without breaking a sweat: http://i.imgur.com/UFqrltO.jpg

- new maneuvers

- new pilots (even including generics, eg, "bush pilot")

- new astromechs

- different secondary weapons

- enhanced primary weapons

A lot of that stuff is more satisfying than the actual contents of the starter/T-70 expansion, which makes me think FFG was probably forced to design based on really vague early info. I still forget the name/ability of a pilot as boring as "Blue Ace" within 7 seconds of looking at the card.

T-65 is f-14 then? Or F-111...

Anyway, are there any Nu canon sources that have said when the t-65 first appeared? Rebels hasn't touched it yet but it appears both a-wings and b-wings have been around for years before Yavin, and presumedly before x-wings.

They may already be using it - you just haven't met the rebel cell that uses it yet (likely the Dantoonine cell). It seems the Rebels are just a bunch of indepenent cells until some event (maybe explained in Rebels - this used to be in the Force Unleashed - not sure what now but failing everything the Destruction of the first Death Star would work as well) unites them under a common leadership.

I still don't expect to see any more EU content. Or to be more precise, I expect any EU content will draw primarily from the new EU, and I expect that most new content will be drawn from canon sources like Rebels and the new movies. There's at least another waves worth in TFA.

A full wave of TFA is what ships?

Another TIE/ln but this time with a red stripe ...oh yay

Wich, ironically, Imperial aces already did

lol but no.

Imp aces was just repainted squints and new pilots not making minor alterations adding some new paint and calling it a new ship.

It's boring

You said that they just put a red stripe over the standard TIE, but that isnt true at all, the Red-striped TIE (Special Forces TIE) is quite different from theregular TIE/LN, and even different from the TIE/FO too.

It adds a turret, and tw o small engines to the rear sides of the main ball, instead of the larger thruster. It also comes equipped with missiles and mag-pulses according to the movie, though we do not see it fire either.

I am quite aware that the /fo and /cog are different ships from the standard TIE/ln but changing a design by 10-15% and calling a 'new' ship is just lazy and boring.

But I completely disagree on them having "real X-wingsbacking up some new craft". Your quote "new Xwings" are 35years old, an andso are quite outdated. The new Xwings are certainly warranted, but yes it would have been nice to see another new Resistance fighter.

Why not have original X-wings in the film, Y-wing were in ANH and the main fleet battle of the OT at Endor and are also well out dated.

30 years is nothing, even in our world(the F16 has been in service since the late 70's), Star Wars tech is well known to be fairly stagnant.

We could have easily had X-wings escorting the T-70's with a few old A-wings flying top cover

I am quite aware that the /fo and /cog are different ships from the standard TIE/ln but changing a design by 10-15% and calling a 'new' ship is just lazy and boring.

By that reasoning wouldn't the Tie Interceptor be just another lazy design? Cuz all the designers did was just change the wing panels on the Tie/Ln and gave it a new name.

Personally if I wasn't an exclusive Rebel player I'd be clamoring for FFG to release that Tie/SF NOW cuz that's a sweet ass looking ship and I love love the improvements they've made to it while retaining the overall iconic Tie Fighter design.

I see the T-70 as the F-15 Eagle to the T-85's F-22 Raptor. Sure, the newer one's reached full service - but that doesn't mean it's common, or that it's fully replaced the older model and relegated it all the way out of front-line duty.

Nah, wrong aircraft lineage!

Z-95 is the F-5E

T-65 is the F/A-18C, whose airframe was derived from the F-5

T-70 is the F/A-18E, the upgraded version of the 18C

T-85 would be the F-35C, the replacement for most of the Navy's jets, I guess.

EDIT: I should also point out that the F-35 is still very much in a prototype testing stage, and even when it becomes accepted into the fleet, F/A-18E/Fs will still fly for another couple decades- The F-35 is only replacing the F/A-18C/D.

So is the T-85 going to come out at 55 points for the PS1 generic with a dial on par with a Y-Wing? You know, to stick with the analogy.

Ooohohohoo

Dude that's coooooooooooooooooooooold.

According to the Force Awakens incredble cross-sections, Poe flies a T-70. The book calls it 'a customsied example codenamed Black One' and refers to the ship as the latest incarnation of the venerable X Wing family. There's no mention of a T-85.

Well ... for the Rebels ... or sorry ... Résistance ... we already have all ships they got so far.

Maybe they'll get an upgraded version of an A-Wing or something alike in a year from now.

The FO shuttle might be suited as well for X-Wing ... we have not seen it in combat an I doubt we will - but it has a proper forward armament like the lambda - so its the definitely its successor.

And of course there is the TIE/fo Special ...

I'd be happy if we get a bunch of old EU (Tie Aggressor, Gunboat ships in the next waves INSTEAD.