We're all total nerds and there's nothing we love more than to absolutely dissect a movie. In that vein: Rey's got to have a family, even if they don't come back. Who are they?

First, some notes I took at the second viewing:

- The transport flying away in her flashback looks like First Order

- She was sold to Unkar Plutt, the fat guy who owned the Millennium Falcon

- Kylo says Luke's lightsaber belongs to him, probably thinking it's his inheritance.

There's four options I can see on the table for Rey's parents: Luke/(someone), Han/Leia, her being the result of force experiments, and no one we know.

No one we know.

Boring. Next!

Force Experiments:

Unsure, need to read more. Speculate away in this thread.

Han/Leia:

I haven't read TFA novelization, but I've heard it talks a lot more about Ben Solo, and there's no mention of a sister. Additionally, I think Leia would be aware of her giving birth to a daughter and there's no recognition from her or Han when Rey is around.

Things in favor of Rey being Luke's kid:

Why not in the existing spoilers thread?

Why not in the existing spoilers thread?

That's general TFA, including a lot of Rey talk. Wanted to sum up all my thoughts in a separate thread.

Why not in the existing spoilers thread?

That's general TFA, including a lot of Rey talk. Wanted to sum up all my thoughts in a separate thread.

So why not Off-Topic then?

She was sold to Unkar Plutt, the fat guy who owned the Millennium Falcon"

Where do you get this. She seems to be free.

I hope Rey is the third skywalker generation. Every trilogy is about a choosen Skywalker strongly influencing the fate of the Jedis and the galaxy.

I dont think Rey was taken, but hidden from Snoke and from falling to the dark Side like Ben did. Rey and Ben could be over 10 years from another, so it could be possible.

I also hope they put Mara Jade in again. Its a great character and I despise Disney sacking of the EU.

Why not in the existing spoilers thread?

That's general TFA, including a lot of Rey talk. Wanted to sum up all my thoughts in a separate thread.

So why not Off-Topic then?

Yeah, I'm not normally a forum referee, but all these TFA movie threads should be in Off Topic, with the exception of the ones discussing potential capital ships.

Who gives a rats patootie what forum or thread this topic is in?

On topic:

I certainly hope she is a sky walker of some sort. If she isn't, then what a bust. I wasn't impressed with the storm trooper story line and if they kill the skywalker connection, then meh.

She was sold to Unkar Plutt, the fat guy who owned the Millennium Falcon"

Where do you get this. She seems to be free.

I hope Rey is the third skywalker generation. Every trilogy is about a choosen Skywalker strongly influencing the fate of the Jedis and the galaxy.

I dont think Rey was taken, but hidden from Snoke and from falling to the dark Side like Ben did. Rey and Ben could be over 10 years from another, so it could be possible.

I also hope they put Mara Jade in again. Its a great character and I despise Disney sacking of the EU.

The hand holding five-year-old Rey's arm (in her flashback) is very distinctively Unkar's.

I like the "hidden from Snoke" angle but that means Luke doesn't trust the Resistance? Interesting...

Who gives a rats patootie what forum or thread this topic is in?

I do. I can't be the only one.

I have a 2 Year old, I probably won't get to see TFA until DVD release.

But more to the point, this is not about Star Wars: Armada .

Its polite to put it in its proper place.

Things I think are tells (hints) that she's Luke's daughter:

1) Her wearing that rebel pilot helmet after dinner. Subtle one that, but I think done for this very reason (it evoked a Luke image).

2) The lightsaber moment (Luke/Anakin's lightsaber called to her) and her glimpses of Skywalker history. Seemed like she saw Ren killing the new Jedi in that vision, and being in peril herself.

3) Her innate technical genius (who else had that? Anakin).

4) Her embrace with Leia as if they had known each other all along (that looked like an aunt hug to me, but that's just my feeling).

5) Her spontaneous and seemingly shockingly powerful grasp of the force (again, Anakin).

6) That look exchanged with her by Luke was long and loaded with emotion and significance.

7) Her seeming natural talent for flying the blazes out of anything (her Falcon moment especially) (again again Anakin).

8) Desert planet upbringing? (*cough* Luke and Anakin). Zooming across the desert on a speeder in very Luke/Anakin like images.

9) It's consistent. If Ren killed the new Jedi, Luke hid his daughter to protect her from him. She watched him leave and kept waiting for him to come back. Maybe even hid himself not to protect himself, but to protect the knowledge of her from Ren and Snoke. Which clearly didn't work. And Maz's prophecy that he wouldn't come to her so she'd have to go to him (which she did).

10) It seemed that Ren recognized something about her, even if he couldn't quite put his finger on it.

11) Seemed like even Solo kept reacting to her as if he were seeing something in her he'd not seen for a long time (like she reminded him of Luke).

12) Solo's death and Fin's maiming, her Obi-Wan moment perhaps.

13) Luke's saber sure seemed awfully reluctant to go to Ren, but zipped right to her. Maybe it just meant she was pulling harder, but it seemed like they were implying some sort of inherent reluctance in the saber itself.

14) She couldn't sleep without dreaming of an ocean and an island (according to Ren), which just so happens to be where Luke was. That's a father/daughter link there.

Some of my observations. Some very subjective of course, but I just got an overwhelming sense of foreshadowing about her from so much of the movie that I almost feel that they were smacking us over the head with her lineage. Loads of symbolism.

Also, consider this, the Luke/Vader relationship was defined by their ultimate unwillingness to kill one another. Yet Ren broke that chain by killing his father (and demonstrating how warped he is). But Rey is reunited (and probably trained by her father). Ren also demonstrated a reluctance to kill Rey and kept trying to convert her. Perhaps we'll see their relationship also become one of redemption and unbreakable familial bonds (they would be cousins if I'm right). Keep in mind that for some time Lucas has been saying that SW was ultimately about family. Wouldn't be surprising if they kept running with that theme. Rey is seeking her long lost family, finds it, finds that one has died, killed by one that is badly demented, and the most important one left her on a desert planet. That's some good character building and tension material.

Finally, a prediction: Luke teaches her about the force (and what the dark side is). But she hasn't been truly tempted by it yet. Ren hardly had any context by which to sway her in their fight. So what does that mean? Luke is going to die. Probably by Snoke or Ren's hand. That would be her tribulation moment. When hasn't the SW movie stories been about the Skywalkers being tempted by the dark side through great personal loss and pain (Ren gave in by killing his father, something Luke couldn't do, what could possibly sufficiently tempt Rey but losing the family she so longed for)? Maybe losing Fin (since they seem to be forming a romance)?

As an aside, I loved Daisy's performance (and really all the cast). I'm a little smitten. But know who I crush on more? BB-8! He's adorable!

Who gives a rats patootie what forum or thread this topic is in?

I do. I can't be the only one.

I have a 2 Year old, I probably won't get to see TFA until DVD release.

But more to the point, this is not about Star Wars: Armada .

Its polite to put it in its proper place.

I didn't see you post your forum appropriate concerns in diablos thread... Curious that...

Who gives a rats patootie what forum or thread this topic is in?

I do. I can't be the only one.

I have a 2 Year old, I probably won't get to see TFA until DVD release.

But more to the point, this is not about Star Wars: Armada .

Its polite to put it in its proper place.

I didn't see you post your forum appropriate concerns in diablos thread... Curious that...

So that invalidates all concerns immediately? Guess I'll completely shut up then.

I'm hoping that she's a Kenobi.

Now I'm not saying that she's necessarily Obi-Wan Kenobi's granddaughter.

But I think it would be a nice flip, having a Kenobi redeem (or kill) a Skywalker after Obi-Wan failed to save Anakin from himself, failed to kill Anakin, and then told Luke that he had to kill Anakin to defeat the Emperor. And that Skywalker is named after Obi-Wan.

Who gives a rats patootie what forum or thread this topic is in?

I do. I can't be the only one.

I have a 2 Year old, I probably won't get to see TFA until DVD release.

But more to the point, this is not about Star Wars: Armada .

Its polite to put it in its proper place.

I didn't see you post your forum appropriate concerns in diablos thread... Curious that...

So that invalidates all concerns immediately? Guess I'll completely shut up then.

Thank you.

I wonder if we will see any tfa characters as officers/pilots in armada at some point.

Since Rey is able to pilot her speeder well, is this foreshadowing good fighter skills and a possible future pilot card for armada?

I'm hoping that she's a Kenobi.

Now I'm not saying that she's necessarily Obi-Wan Kenobi's granddaughter.

But I think it would be a nice flip, having a Kenobi redeem a Skywalker after Obi-Wan failed to save Anakin from himself and then told Luke that he had to kill Anakin to defeat the Emperor. And that Skywalker is named after Obi-Wan.

That's an interesting angle that I hadn't thought about. It would be interesting for sure, but I think I'd be disappointed that the story would change focus from a skywalker to someone else.

Also: I'm 90% certain that Leia has a daughter (by Han?) who is portrayed in the movie by Carrie Fisher's real daughter.

I'm hoping that she's a Kenobi.

Now I'm not saying that she's necessarily Obi-Wan Kenobi's granddaughter.

But I think it would be a nice flip, having a Kenobi redeem (or kill) a Skywalker after Obi-Wan failed to save Anakin from himself, failed to kill Anakin, and then told Luke that he had to kill Anakin to defeat the Emperor. And that Skywalker is named after Obi-Wan.

This came up in some in-person discussion. It's a great thought but I just don't see the evidence. I won't be upset at all if it happens (unless the explanation is dumb).

I wonder if we will see any tfa characters as officers/pilots in armada at some point.

Since Rey is able to pilot her speeder well, is this foreshadowing good fighter skills and a possible future pilot card for armada?

Hoping for Poe in Wave 3, maybe Rey on the YT-1300?

I'm hoping that she's a Kenobi.

Now I'm not saying that she's necessarily Obi-Wan Kenobi's granddaughter.

But I think it would be a nice flip, having a Kenobi redeem (or kill) a Skywalker after Obi-Wan failed to save Anakin from himself, failed to kill Anakin, and then told Luke that he had to kill Anakin to defeat the Emperor. And that Skywalker is named after Obi-Wan.

This came up in some in-person discussion. It's a great thought but I just don't see the evidence. I won't be upset at all if it happens (unless the explanation is dumb).

I wonder if we will see any tfa characters as officers/pilots in armada at some point.

Since Rey is able to pilot her speeder well, is this foreshadowing good fighter skills and a possible future pilot card for armada?

Hoping for Poe in Wave 3, maybe Rey on the YT-1300?

Poe is a badass. I like him.

There's one way to explain why she's so powerful and why she was abandoned.

Her parents are Luke and Leia.

There's one way to explain why she's so powerful and why she was abandoned.

Her parents are Luke and Leia.

(facepalm)

I was waiting for someone to say that. (gag)

Thank you for taking that bullet Hobbit.

I wonder if we will see any tfa characters as officers/pilots in armada at some point.

Since Rey is able to pilot her speeder well, is this foreshadowing good fighter skills and a possible future pilot card for armada?

Hoping for Poe in Wave 3, maybe Rey on the YT-1300?

Maybe... I'm leaning towards thinking FFG releasing a kind of imperial/rebel aces squadron thing. I'm not sure they will release any tfa content until wave 4 or beyond.

I think when they do release poe however he better be pretty spectacular based on how insane he was in tfa.

I'm hoping that she's a Kenobi.

Now I'm not saying that she's necessarily Obi-Wan Kenobi's granddaughter.

But I think it would be a nice flip, having a Kenobi redeem a Skywalker after Obi-Wan failed to save Anakin from himself and then told Luke that he had to kill Anakin to defeat the Emperor. And that Skywalker is named after Obi-Wan.

That's an interesting angle that I hadn't thought about. It would be interesting for sure, but I think I'd be disappointed that the story would change focus from a skywalker to someone else.

It's still about a Skywalker.

Hell, the prequel trilogy made both trilogies about a Skywalker: Anakin. His rise, fall, and redemption. The sequels are about his legacy. Without that legacy, would Ben have become Kylo Ren?

I'm hoping that she's a Kenobi.

Now I'm not saying that she's necessarily Obi-Wan Kenobi's granddaughter.

But I think it would be a nice flip, having a Kenobi redeem (or kill) a Skywalker after Obi-Wan failed to save Anakin from himself, failed to kill Anakin, and then told Luke that he had to kill Anakin to defeat the Emperor. And that Skywalker is named after Obi-Wan.

This came up in some in-person discussion. It's a great thought but I just don't see the evidence. I won't be upset at all if it happens (unless the explanation is dumb).

I wonder if we will see any tfa characters as officers/pilots in armada at some point.

Since Rey is able to pilot her speeder well, is this foreshadowing good fighter skills and a possible future pilot card for armada?

Hoping for Poe in Wave 3, maybe Rey on the YT-1300?

Don't forget that not all evidence is evidence. Some stuff is there to throw you off the scent.

There's one way to explain why she's so powerful and why she was abandoned.

Her parents are Luke and Leia.

Skywalkers are not Targaryens (or Lannisters). Star Wars is not Game of Thrones . I do not foresee incest being something they'll cover in the movies in any form, unless it's an oracle-like character who is malformed. They might do something with it in an adult-oriented TV show, comic book/graphic novel, or book... but not a movie. Not a movie kids are going to see.

Yeah the immediate problem I see stopping Rey from being the daughter of Luke is finding out who Mom is. Mara Jade is the popular theory but she doesn't have to be the one. After all if we were still clinging to Legends for a guide, "Ben" would have been "Jacen" since that solo son turns to the Dark Side.

There's the question of whether Luke decided to remain celibate after becoming a Jedi, as others in the order apparently did. He may have done this hoping to avoid Anakin's conflicted fall to the dark side over love, as well. If that's the case then Rey can't be his offspring.

I think there's some merit to the idea that destiny and greatness are earned, rather than inherited. If Rey is not related to the skywalkers, then her mastery of the force in the face of "the deck stacked in Kylo Ren's favor", it would be playing to this idea.

Yeah the immediate problem I see stopping Rey from being the daughter of Luke is finding out who Mom is. Mara Jade is the popular theory but she doesn't have to be the one. After all if we were still clinging to Legends for a guide, "Ben" would have been "Jacen" since that solo son turns to the Dark Side.

There's the question of whether Luke decided to remain celibate after becoming a Jedi, as others in the order apparently did. He may have done this hoping to avoid Anakin's conflicted fall to the dark side over love, as well. If that's the case then Rey can't be his offspring.

I think there's some merit to the idea that destiny and greatness are earned, rather than inherited . If Rey is not related to the skywalkers, then her mastery of the force in the face of "the deck stacked in Kylo Ren's favor", it would be playing to this idea.

Yet, so far, the movies have always been about both to varying degrees. Inherit great power, learn to be great by using it wisely.

I also think midi-chlorians pretty much torpedoed the idea of earning greatness in the force. I think it a large part of why people hate the idea. With one swift stroke George sunk the vicarious dreams of entire generations. "Not born with the right percentage? Sorry, no force for you!"

Love it or hate it, George made this about lineage with that more than any other factor.

I personally prefer the ideas first hinted at by Obi-Wan in a New Hope. At that time it was simply an omnipresent energy field that, the way he presented it, could be tapped into with sufficient training. And then here come the prequels and the nail in the coffin of inheritance vs. self-determination gets driven home by midi-chlorians.

Ah well.