Intellectual Property is the bane of modern culture.
Do you have any? I do, and I wouldn't want someone stealing it from me.
Space Rocks has apparently been issued a C&D
Uh oh... Hope this isn't a sign of things to come. Were these guys a legit website or what?
You bet.
This actually scares me for two reasons:
#1- Heroes of the Aturi Cluster - It's not a FFG or Disney property, could it be affected by being an infringement?
#2- Star Wars Fandom - 90% of what drove star wars for the past 30+ years since the original films was fan content. Is that now in danger?
and more to come. This happens every time Disney releases a trailer. Remember the C&D on X-wing companion.And with Disney's a movie a year program you might as well say this is going to be a yearly occurrence.
I think there's a clear difference between Aturi Cluster and Space Rocks- Space Rocks was stealing molds, modifying them, and selling them. I.e., they were profiting from theft. Aturi Cluster is a free, not-for-profit venture with no independent use. Not only do you have to buy X-wing to make use of Aturi, but you have to buy a good deal.
Really, though, I think the bottom line is that Aturi is probably fairly safe, being free. Some of the custom designers selling ships on Shapeways may be in danger of a C&D, though..
I am still shocked that people are mad Disney stops people from making money off of something they paid an absolute fortune for.
I am still shocked that people are mad Disney stops people from making money off of something they paid an absolute fortune for.
I think folk'd have less of a problem with it if they'd offer an equivalent themselves. IP law/etc... does make it difficult for things with limited mass market appeal to be made for smaller audiences.
I am still shocked that people are mad Disney stops people from making money off of something they paid an absolute fortune for.
I think folk'd have less of a problem with it if they'd offer an equivalent themselves. IP law/etc... does make it difficult for things with limited mass market appeal to be made for smaller audiences.
The issue wasn't the rocks or the Frigate, it was that they basically stole the ship molds which are all patented and credited back to the original sculptor who they paid to produce it.
Edited by PrincezillaYes poor Disney.
Disney the company that made their animators train foreign replacements for months and if they didn't comply they would lose all severance benefits.
Poor poor Disney. "Sniffles"
Cool things is you can do ANYTHING if your a big company.
Edited by Tokyogriz
I am still shocked that people are mad Disney stops people from making money off of something they paid an absolute fortune for.
I think folk'd have less of a problem with it if they'd offer an equivalent themselves. IP law/etc... does make it difficult for things with limited mass market appeal to be made for smaller audiences.
The issue wasn't the rocks or the Frigate, it was that they basically stole the ship molds which are all patented and credited back to the original sculptor who they paid to produce it.
Was it specifically that though? They probably had sufficient cause even without the recasting. Either way it's how these things work...
IP law can be complex but i would probably think its exactly the recasting for a couple of reasons.
Firstly they are basically profiting off producing and selling an item they didnt contribute any of the research and origination for other than takinng a hammer to an existing cast
But more importantly because its the *same* mold but a 'wreck' and not cast to the same standards it would look to most people like an FFG product and it would look like they made poorly cast/moulded products as well.
Never good to have things out in the market place that people think are yours but *you* think are ropey.
As for 'not making their own alternative'.... give them time. The amount of stuff they release for xwing is pretty prolific tbh and I can imagine at some point FFG will make their own 'scenery' in the same way they made their own playmats.
Again if you can reduce the amount of 3rd party stuff about its a sound strategy
But, basically it was really cheeky IP theft without, i'd have thought, paying any licensing fee. You do have to be seen to be protecting your IP if you want to retain it.
Now you can do what disney have done and go 'please stop selling recasts of our stuff and using names we've paid a lot of money for', or you can go the really extreme way GW did and make *everything* you do soooo visually specific and with totally unique to your name games that its much harder to copy.
Like changing the names of all the warhammer races so they are no longer 'archetypes' that have been in the consciouness for hundreds of years like 'elf' and 'goblin' etc, names you cant copyright but you can copyright 'orkatrons' or whatever they are called in this edition. Ditto their paints you dont get goblin green anymore you get 'threakka dakka green or whatever.
Its not the most unreasonable IP protection from Disney imo
COME ON NOW... SR was straight up stealing the **** models from FFG and stabbing at 'em a little with a soldering rod to melt them to make them look sloppily damaged.
Meh... they had no artistic integrity whatsoever, and got what they had coming to 'em.
**** Thieves.
JBR7 summarizing Gadge.
JBR7 summarizing Gadge.
Englishmen talk longer...
The first time I saw the SR models I was like: "Meh they spent twenty minutes to f**k up some FFG Models... and they have the nerve to charge the same price on top of that hilarity?
Hel-Nah... I'll Pass!!!
JBR7 summarizing Gadge.
Englishmen talk longer...
The first time I saw the SR models I was like: "Meh they spent twenty minutes to f**k up some FFG Models... and they have the nerve to charge the same price on top of that hilarity?
Hel-Nah... I'll Pass!!!
English?
How dare you sir!
Ach y Fi!
Rydw i'n Cymro
...in the language of the 'old country' like. I might *live* in England but i'm off the older original briton stock with a little bit of Dane in the mix 
Crivens!
JBR7 summarizing Gadge.
Englishmen talk longer...
The first time I saw the SR models I was like: "Meh they spent twenty minutes to f**k up some FFG Models... and they have the nerve to charge the same price on top of that hilarity?
Hel-Nah... I'll Pass!!!
English?
How dare you sir!
Ach y Fi!
Rydw i'n Cymro
...in the language of the 'old country' like. I might *live* in England but i'm off the older original briton stock with a little bit of Dane in the mix
Ha, Ha! Well I am English, Scotch-Irish... and we even have a tad of Native American in us.
That kinda makes me a perfect Merican!
Most my living family are Welsh, my father was actually English but from a very old Norman line, his lot came over in 1066 and the Normans were actualy Danes who had raided France so much that King Rollo (i think it was Rollo) basically *gave* them the Normandy coast to stop them pillaging it!
Norman meaning quite litterally 'men of the north'.
I consider myself Welsh as nearly all my living family are welsh, my wifes welsh too. I grew up speaking a bit of it but to be honest i can remember very very little. A few insults, 'hello, goodbye, 'goodnight mum' that sort of stuff
Edit:it appears it was king charles who gave the land away, Rollo was the norse chieftan he gave it to and made a duke.
Edited by GadgeMost my living family are Welsh, my father was actually English but from a very old Norman line, his lot came over in 1066 and the Normans were actualy Danes who had raided France so much that King Rollo (i think it was Rollo) basically *gave* them the Normandy coast to stop them pillaging it!
Norman meaning quite litterally 'men of the north'.
I consider myself Welsh as nearly all my living family are welsh, my wifes welsh too. I grew up speaking a bit of it but to be honest i can remember very very little. A few insults, 'hello, goodbye, 'goodnight mum' that sort of stuff
Edit:it appears it was king charles who gave the land away, Rollo was the norse chieftan he gave it to and made a duke.
Yup, and Rollo is like my 30th great grandfather or something. I know William the Conqueror was my 27th or something. Gotta love it when members of your family do genealogy as a pastime
Most my living family are Welsh, my father was actually English but from a very old Norman line, his lot came over in 1066 and the Normans were actualy Danes who had raided France so much that King Rollo (i think it was Rollo) basically *gave* them the Normandy coast to stop them pillaging it!
Norman meaning quite litterally 'men of the north'.
I consider myself Welsh as nearly all my living family are welsh, my wifes welsh too. I grew up speaking a bit of it but to be honest i can remember very very little. A few insults, 'hello, goodbye, 'goodnight mum' that sort of stuff
Edit:it appears it was king charles who gave the land away, Rollo was the norse chieftan he gave it to and made a duke.
Yup, and Rollo is like my 30th great grandfather or something. I know William the Conqueror was my 27th or something. Gotta love it when members of your family do genealogy as a pastime
We had family that made fine silver and some other rich-folks stuff for some of the royal family back in the day a few hundred years ago... on the other side of it my Great x-six Grandfather was an Indian scout for the army.
My welsh side of the family have always been coal miners or mining emergency rescue, pretty hard and brutal, unglamourous but neccessary work. On my dads side they have usually been military or civil/government service.
My great great grandfather fought on the western front in wwi but more unusually he was also at Gallipoli and was probaby the only person ever to have 'really loved the great war'. He was in his element apparently.
A pre war regular who'd served in India and the Sudan, he left the army because his wife asked him to in early 1914 and hated being a civilian, when war broke out he was apparently instantly out the door and down to the recruiting office.
(about 90 to 100 years after he joined the Staffordshire Regiment in ended up joining the same regiment He must have attested in the 1890s and I joined in the 1990s as i was living in that area at the time)
We've gone horribly off topic but here is a pic of him returning to the UK before wwi on a troop ship, probably from India, note the tropical hats but greatcoats as they were probably freezing returning to the uk after years in the east!
If you know me I look *really* like my Great grandad.
Get a room.
It's a shame because they are good products and save you from destroying ships to make your debris, however the sale is what makes it dodgy ground IP wise.
Really nice company though, sad to see this. Message to FFG should be to make a Nebulon
They should have get a licence or make their stuff generic. And yeah FFG should "make" the Nebulon, or better hand out the licence to make a "official" limited run Nebulon to thrusted 3rd parties.
As this is an old topic, I guess the issue has been resolved by now anyway,
Edited by SEApocalypseThat's not exactly how licensing works.
That's not exactly how licensing works.
That depends on the licence FFG has, but you are most likely right in this context, Disney is very protective of their IP. Though hiring the guys from the Nebulon B and releasing a print on demand FFG Nebulon with contracting this to them might indeed have worked, at least if Disney did not have full control of FFG released products, which would be a ridiculous disadvantages licence for FFG. Though FFG can not release PDFs either, so their licence is already ridiculous bad for FFG, so who knows how bad it really is.
What PDFs can FFG not release?
Also, I fail to see what the advantage is for FFG to give up some control of their game and license to amateurs.