The Cruiser's card is so:

"After you execute a manuever, you may deploy up to two docked ships."

The cargo upgrade card is thus:

GOZANTI-class cruiser only. Limited. Cost=0

You may dock up to 4 TIE fighters, TIE Interceptors, TIE bombers or TIE Advanced to this ship. All of these ships must have the same ship type.

If the Gozanti was not equipped with the "Docking Clamps" upgrade card, would it still be able to deploy TWO DOCKED SHIPS?

The answer would seem "no", but has there ever been a pilot/ship ability before this that couldn't be activated without first requiring an upgrade card?

well docking clamps are free so its not like its a problem.

I think its just a minor oversight as the gozanti is clearly able to be 'built' as an aircraft carrier or a missile cruiser

TBH i think i'd have just made docking clamps given for free but as the model has them as 'twist lock' in i can understand why they gave you the option.

They do look like landing 'legs' with no ships attached.

Does Moralo Eval's ability of shooting secondary weapons out his auxiliary arc count? Or Nera Dantel's for that matter?

The Ghost/Phantom titles are similar, as to dock the phantom i think you need both.

Do you have the expansion? If so have you read the rulebook that comes with it?

The rules it comes with have some interesting 'future planning' wording.

In the section 'docked ships' it says

"some card abilities, such as the 'docking clamps' upgrade card, allow players to dock ships to a carrier such as the Gozanti class cruiser"

The actual rules for deploying ships dont say you *have* to have docking clamps in the rules but i think its common sense that as it follows the section on 'docking' that states that some cards like DC (and clearly they expect to put others in at some point) allow you to do this.

Its one of those 'spirit vs letter of the game' thing. Its really clear what the intent of the designers is but the wording allows someone who is bloody minded to have an argument with you even though they know they are wrong

I mean the only *benefit* you'd get from arguing you could deploy without DC (or a similar future card) would be an extra ship upgrade slot

I think the trade off is that you can dock a mix of ship types, but only deploy two at a time. Or dock four and deploy them all at once, with the restriction that they must all be the same type.

But I haven't read the rules, just guessing based on the spoiled cards.

I dont think thats the intention.

Just goes to show how different people read things differently doesnt it.

Now *logically* the ship needs docking clamps to deploy anything, *but* you're right 'on paper' DC insists you have four identical ships (up to four anyway) whereas is you read the 'letter' of the rules a Gozanti with no docking clamp upgrade can magically suspend any two ships it likes from its belly.

I'm going to bed in a min but i'll re--read the rules tomorrow and see if im missing anything.

Actually just re-reading it..

You have to have the 'docking ability' as a 'card ability' and it says such as upgrade cards

You can only DEPLOY ships that are DOCKED,

You cant DOCK without the ability to 'dock' listed on a card, ships are docked pre game andcant dock in game.

SOooo

A gozanti with no clamps cant dock the ships to deploy

So i'd say that is a logical explanation of why you do have to have DC to deploy

The Ghost/Phantom titles are similar, as to dock the phantom i think you need both.

Do you have the expansion? If so have you read the rulebook that comes with it?

But after re-reading the cargo card, it says you may dock UP TO 4 TIE SHIPS (of specific types), I guess, taking a literal meaning, if you have ships that were not of those types, the most you could dock would be two ships. In support of the Gozanti's pilot ability.

EDIT: And seeing the above, my presumptions appear to be wrong again.

No thats not the case.

You cant DOCK anything without a card that lets you, For the Gozanti only DOCKING CLAMPS lets you do this.

And that means all they all have to be the same variant of TIE

If FFG make a card that allows other types of ship to be 'docked' then you might see different ships, mixed loads etc etc but from reading the rules in the expansion it does seem that you basically need docking clamps and you have to chose one ship type.

Just such a shame the tie bomber doesnt actually fit

No, as Gadge just pointed out, the pilot ability only allows you to deploy ships (if you have any docked), it doesn't allow the docking. For that you need some other card, such as d clamps, that allows a ship to dock other ships to it.

**** it Gadge, you were going to bed!!

No, I got it. I just happen to type slow on the tablet. The answers were posted as I was typing and again as I edited it.

I still have to wait another 2 weeks before I get the Gozanti, and a month before I get my wave 8 order.

These are things I have noticed from what has been posted so far.

Pilot abilities that require you to spend more points on upgrades to activate:

Krassis

Jonus

Rhymer

Nera

Kavil

Emon

Dace

Moralo

Deathrain

Gozanti

Youngster

Tomax

Think I got them all. So a bunch prior to the Gozanti

So I haven't seen the rules insert yet. Are we sure now that the only way for the Gozanti to carry ships is to equip the Docking Clamps modification? Which means we are restricted to carrier fleets all of a single ship type? If so, I'm a little disappointed. I would prefer the deployment trade off I assumed in my post above.

I would prefer the deployment trade off I assumed in my post above.

And I would prefer ordnance to have real value in this game ... oh well ...

(Just ribbing you ...)

I like the idea of mixed loads. Perhaps in the future ...

I wouldn't mind seeing the Gonzati in Scum as well, maybe there we could get our mixed load outs of ships.

Pilot abilities that require you to spend more points on upgrades to activate:

Krassis

Jonus

Rhymer

Nera

Kavil

Emon

Dace

Moralo

Deathrain

Gozanti

Youngster

Tomax

Think I got them all. So a bunch prior to the Gozanti

True. But the Gozanti pilot card with the deploy rules is the only pilot card for the Gozanti. If for any reason you play a Gozanti without docked TIEs the pilot ability is worthless. As far as I know that's the way with all epic ships, only one pilot card (or one fore and aft pair) per ship. The other ships on your list in comparison have cheaper generic options and unique pilot abilities that don't require secondary upgrade cards.

Not to say that I have a huge problem with it, I'm still looking forward to getting a Gozanti.

I wouldn't mind seeing the Gonzati in Scum as well, maybe there we could get our mixed load outs of ships.

That was my first thought as well. A scum gozanti with a different card that allows ships to dock, that would be cross compatible.

However, then I remembered that the scum gozanti doesn't have all the wing room underneath to dock ships to. Also, docking clamps is not "imperial only", which means a scum gozanti would be able to dock and deploy TIEs. That ain't going to happen. So, unless they rename the scum gozanti, we aren't likely to get one.

Pity.

My understanding of it is this, based on the text.

Docking clamps allows you to have up to 4 of the specified ships docked. They must all be the same "ship type", so you could have generic TIEs or named TIEs, but they all have to be some sort of TIE. Can't have two TIEs, and two Interceptors.

The ship ability seems to just state that after you execute a maneuver, you can deploy two docked ships. So you move and then drop two (or one). Seems straightforward enough to me.

From my understanding of things, deploying ships will likely be a good way to clean fighters off your tail. It's too bad the clamps can only be put on the Gozanti… i'd love to field them on a raider. (which you'd think would have a whole bay of fighters…)

From my understanding of things, deploying ships will likely be a good way to clean fighters off your tail. It's too bad the clamps can only be put on the Gozanti… i'd love to field them on a raider. (which you'd think would have a whole bay of fighters…)

Not really though, it doesn't have a docking bay and was paired specifically with the Advanced because it has a hyperdrive.

You'd sooner see deployment from a Corvette, we know for certain that it can have a fighter docked.

So I haven't seen the rules insert yet. Are we sure now that the only way for the Gozanti to carry ships is to equip the Docking Clamps modification? Which means we are restricted to carrier fleets all of a single ship type? If so, I'm a little disappointed. I would prefer the deployment trade off I assumed in my post above.

Yes, you can only DEPLOY ships that have been DOCKED. Without docking clamps the Gozanti has no way of docking ships pre game and so cant deploy them during game.

It also makes zero narrative sense that it would require docking clamps to carry identical ships but can carry a coupe of mismatched ones by taping them to the wings or whatever.

Also, docking clamps is not "imperial only", which means a scum gozanti would be able to dock and deploy TIEs. That ain't going to happen. So, unless they rename the scum gozanti, we aren't likely to get one.

Pity.

Could a hypothetical Scum Gozanti equip Docking Clamps as one of its upgrades? Absolutely. Could it then dock and launch TIE Fighters? Absolutely not.

The docking clamps exist the way they do for a few reasons.

1- they are a LIMITED keyword, so you can have only 1. Otherwise you'd somehow be able to dock up to 8 ships. (Granted I don't think you physically need the ship dangling on the Gozanti to prove it's docked - look at the Hound's Tooth, you don't physically put the ship inside!)

2- It consumes a cargo slot - so in the event you want to outfit your Gozanti differently, you get an extra cargo space to do this.

3- It's free, so you don't have much of a COST to it.

4- In the event they want to come up with a more advanced docking type in the future they simply make a NEW CARD. Perhaps "ADVANCED DOCKING CLAMPS" which costs 3, and allows you to dock TIE Phantoms, Defenders, or Punishers, and gives all ships docked a free focus after you deploy them.

Also, docking clamps is not "imperial only", which means a scum gozanti would be able to dock and deploy TIEs. That ain't going to happen. So, unless they rename the scum gozanti, we aren't likely to get one.

Pity.

You still have to pay squad points for the docked ships and put them in your list. Docking clamps may not be Imperial Only, but all the ships that satisfy the docking restriction are.

Could a hypothetical Scum Gozanti equip Docking Clamps as one of its upgrades? Absolutely. Could it then dock and launch TIE Fighters? Absolutely not.

I think they meant that it's possible to see scum versions of Imperial craft (like scum have Ys and Z-95s) but personally I don't see that happening. Can't think of a bounty hunter who would want to try to survive their line of work in a TIE, a ship whose entire design philosophy revolves around not giving a flap about any one pilot.

4- In the event they want to come up with a more advanced docking type in the future they simply make a NEW CARD. Perhaps "ADVANCED DOCKING CLAMPS" which costs 3, and allows you to dock TIE Phantoms, Defenders, or Punishers, and gives all ships docked a free focus after you deploy them.

Another way they could get interesting use out of clamps is by designing pilots who have abilities that work in conjunction with them. So for instance, a pilot might receive a focus or evade token when performing a maneuver without revealing a dial (such as by uncoupling or the 1 straight from being ioned).

Also, docking clamps is not "imperial only", which means a scum gozanti would be able to dock and deploy TIEs.

Not really, just that equipping the clamps would be meaningless in the same way a Stygium Particle Accelerator doesn't confer the ability to cloak or how you could equip a targeting coordinator to a yt-2400 without any way of gaining energy.

You can't put Imperial ships in a Scum list, that goes above a card telling you to dock TIEs.