Except mon mothma demilitarized the republic navy and what did remain was destoryed in the attack on the republic capital. Sure she gave each system there own small fleet.

So i doubt we seen any naval battles really unless they bring in the katana fleet as away for the Resistance /republic to quickly rearm

The new RSD class would need to be on a larger base then the large one. And would maybe run 180 to 190 point base at least

As for folk thinking their get a SSD that thing would need to be 4 to 5 feet long. Actual scale to the ISD puts it at around 6 feet. So even at just 2.5 feet it bearly fit on the map

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...The only way I can rationalize this is that the First Order moved very secretly to hide their developments, such that nobody knew what they were really capable of. When they moved they blindsided the Republic who thought their centralized fleet and local sector militias could contain any outbreak by the Empire. Obviously not, and thankfully Leia didn't think this was a sound strategy either.

Scale does not matter? So it would be okay if the Cr90 would be larger as the Mc80? Or if all would be around the same size as in Attack Wing?

The Cr90 is the ship that has the worst scale both in model size and in firepower. The look much better and make more sense as a squadron of three in ~1:7000.

Good grief Scipio. Sliding scale means that CR-90s and Nebulon-Bs are on the same small base size in spite of the former being half the size of the latter. This is to allow the models to actually look impressive and significant next to one another, instead of players pushing around plastic squares with indescribable dots on trees hanging over them. FFG felt looking great on the table was better than strict attention to scale. So long as it allows us more playable ships that look good (and that I can paint with detail), I'm fine with this.

FFG never claimed everything would be in literal scale, and they said it's all representational. So should the Resurgence happen, unless they make another special size class for it it's going on a larger base and probably the same size as the ISD. It depends on testing, what they want to do, and if they think they can manufacture a bigger model than the ISD.

However if they punt that ball down a few years until Episode 8 happens and we might have more resistance capital ships to throw at it, it gives more time for FFG to consider if they want to do it or not, and how they want to do it.

@Norsehound:

Per Before the Awakening :

The First Order has part of the Republic senate in their pocket. And the senate, or certain senators at least, ensure that the Republic's military never gets too close to the First Order.
Republic military intelligence is a joke: They believe that the First Order is scattered, disorganized, under-equipped. No real threat, in other words. Republic intelligence has failed to grasp how far into the Unknown Regions the First Order's control extends, has failed to take noticed of the First Order sacking systems in the buffer zone between the Republic and the First Order, and has even failed to realize that the First Order has actually managed to sack some Republic systems.

It seems to me that the First Order is not prepared to take on the Republic in direct military action, but was intent on utilizing the Starkiller to break up large formations of Republic ships and disrupt the Republic's command & control, overrun the remnants of the Republic's military, utilize the Starkiller to threaten any system that doesn't want to play ball and - I'm guessing that the senators and other politicians and bureaucrats who were in the First Order's pocket would have managed to escape the destruction wrought by the Starkiller - then the First Order's corrupted politicos, as their continuity of governance, would have proclaimed an end to the Republic, a return of the Empire, and coronated Supreme Leader Snoke as Emperor.

I'm a little surprised that the Republic managed to disarm itself in the face of very fierce opponents who would jump at the opportunity to destroy them. The only way I can rationalize this is that the First Order moved very secretly to hide their developments, such that nobody knew what they were really capable of. When they moved they blindsided the Republic who thought their centralized fleet and local sector militias could contain any outbreak by the Empire. Obviously not, and thankfully Leia didn't think this was a sound strategy either.

This is pretty much the biggest plot hole in the entire movie for me so far. The rest seems so cut and dry, but to demilitarize after Endor does not make any sense.

Except mon mothma demilitarized the republic navy and what did remain was destoryed in the attack on the republic capital. Sure she gave each system there own small fleet.

So i doubt we seen any naval battles really unless they bring in the katana fleet as away for the Resistance /republic to quickly rearm

The new RSD class would need to be on a larger base then the large one. And would maybe run 180 to 190 point base at least

As for folk thinking their get a SSD that thing would need to be 4 to 5 feet long. Actual scale to the ISD puts it at around 6 feet. So even at just 2.5 feet it bearly fit on the map

I presumed that with the destruction of the capital and the nearby planets, the Republic's major fleet bases and C&C teams went up with it. But for any system that doesn't want to be prey to the New Order, they might start slipping starships to the Resistance to better arm them and repel the First Order. I wouldn't be surprised if this was the First Order's 'breakout' assault, and before this they were mostly laying quiet (so as not to unite their enemies against them). But now that the gauntlet is down, war is happening again, and I imagine some planetary governments are willing to commit more than just words to the Resistance's cause.

I'm a little surprised that the Republic managed to disarm itself in the face of very fierce opponents who would jump at the opportunity to destroy them. The only way I can rationalize this is that the First Order moved very secretly to hide their developments, such that nobody knew what they were really capable of. When they moved they blindsided the Republic who thought their centralized fleet and local sector militias could contain any outbreak by the Empire. Obviously not, and thankfully Leia didn't think this was a sound strategy either.

Scale does not matter? So it would be okay if the Cr90 would be larger as the Mc80? Or if all would be around the same size as in Attack Wing?

The Cr90 is the ship that has the worst scale both in model size and in firepower. The look much better and make more sense as a squadron of three in ~1:7000.

Good grief Scipio. Sliding scale means that CR-90s and Nebulon-Bs are on the same small base size in spite of the former being half the size of the latter. This is to allow the models to actually look impressive and significant next to one another, instead of players pushing around plastic squares with indescribable dots on trees hanging over them. FFG felt looking great on the table was better than strict attention to scale. So long as it allows us more playable ships that look good (and that I can paint with detail), I'm fine with this.

FFG never claimed everything would be in literal scale, and they said it's all representational. So should the Resurgence happen, unless they make another special size class for it it's going on a larger base and probably the same size as the ISD. It depends on testing, what they want to do, and if they think they can manufacture a bigger model than the ISD.

However if they punt that ball down a few years until Episode 8 happens and we might have more resistance capital ships to throw at it, it gives more time for FFG to consider if they want to do it or not, and how they want to do it.

It will probably end up being 1.5 times the size of the ISD, around 9-10 inches. Just big enough to feel bigger. It looks like it will have a ton of hull to chew through with 15-17 health, maybe something like 5 3 2 shields to keep the theme of more health over shields. Might have a Brace Redirect Contain Contain, and an upgrade to use its contains to cancel effects triggered off of crit dice via cards.

Or a redirect contain and dual brace.

I feel like it will also somehow come with a dual card system like Epic in X-wing. Interesting to see how that will work out!

They cant just make it another Large ship ISD, it is impossible and it doesn't have a separate enough role to fill. Would either be outclassed by the ISD or eclipse the ISD and both are bad.

As we now know, the people who make the game are amazing, and we will see something from them soon enough.

I'm a little surprised that the Republic managed to disarm itself in the face of very fierce opponents who would jump at the opportunity to destroy them. The only way I can rationalize this is that the First Order moved very secretly to hide their developments, such that nobody knew what they were really capable of. When they moved they blindsided the Republic who thought their centralized fleet and local sector militias could contain any outbreak by the Empire. Obviously not, and thankfully Leia didn't think this was a sound strategy either.

This is pretty much the biggest plot hole in the entire movie for me so far. The rest seems so cut and dry, but to demilitarize after Endor does not make any sense.

Its no plot hole if there is an explantion for it.

Not chasing the fleeing TIE with 20 other TIEs is a plot hole. The Inactivity of the Republic is not:

- The first order appears rather weak. Nobody knew about the superweapon and otherwise the fleet seems to be small (hell they cant ecen afford updated interceptors or bombers).

- The first order seems to fear the republic fleet.

- The First order could be a one system minor, nothing a Republic resettling after a major conflict could or should worry about, espacally if there is still a large Imperial Remnats Faction out there.

I'm a little surprised that the Republic managed to disarm itself in the face of very fierce opponents who would jump at the opportunity to destroy them. The only way I can rationalize this is that the First Order moved very secretly to hide their developments, such that nobody knew what they were really capable of. When they moved they blindsided the Republic who thought their centralized fleet and local sector militias could contain any outbreak by the Empire. Obviously not, and thankfully Leia didn't think this was a sound strategy either.

Scale does not matter? So it would be okay if the Cr90 would be larger as the Mc80? Or if all would be around the same size as in Attack Wing?

The Cr90 is the ship that has the worst scale both in model size and in firepower. The look much better and make more sense as a squadron of three in ~1:7000.

Good grief Scipio. Sliding scale means that CR-90s and Nebulon-Bs are on the same small base size in spite of the former being half the size of the latter. This is to allow the models to actually look impressive and significant next to one another, instead of players pushing around plastic squares with indescribable dots on trees hanging over them. FFG felt looking great on the table was better than strict attention to scale. So long as it allows us more playable ships that look good (and that I can paint with detail), I'm fine with this.

FFG never claimed everything would be in literal scale, and they said it's all representational. So should the Resurgence happen, unless they make another special size class for it it's going on a larger base and probably the same size as the ISD. It depends on testing, what they want to do, and if they think they can manufacture a bigger model than the ISD.

However if they punt that ball down a few years until Episode 8 happens and we might have more resistance capital ships to throw at it, it gives more time for FFG to consider if they want to do it or not, and how they want to do it.

You said "Scale does not matter". And I said that at least a sliding scale is needed and often not sufficent. Not more.

I'm a little surprised that the Republic managed to disarm itself in the face of very fierce opponents who would jump at the opportunity to destroy them. The only way I can rationalize this is that the First Order moved very secretly to hide their developments, such that nobody knew what they were really capable of. When they moved they blindsided the Republic who thought their centralized fleet and local sector militias could contain any outbreak by the Empire. Obviously not, and thankfully Leia didn't think this was a sound strategy either.

This is pretty much the biggest plot hole in the entire movie for me so far. The rest seems so cut and dry, but to demilitarize after Endor does not make any sense.

Its no plot hole if there is an explantion for it.

Not chasing the fleeing TIE with 20 other TIEs is a plot hole. The Inactivity of the Republic is not:

- The first order appears rather weak. Nobody knew about the superweapon and otherwise the fleet seems to be small (hell they cant ecen afford updated interceptors or bombers).

- The first order seems to fear the republic fleet.

- The First order could be a one system minor, nothing a Republic resettling after a major conflict could or should worry about, espacally if there is still a large Imperial Remnats Faction out there.

1- The Republic does, presumably, have updated interceptors and bombers. In fact, the T-70 is already an older model of X-Wing - the current Republic standard is the T-85 X-Wing. It's not the Republic that doesn't have them, it's the Resistance, a semi-rogue quasi-independent portion of the Republic's military actively opposing the First Order.

2- The Republic is huge, the First Order is tiny. The First Order's plan requires surprise and the deployment of a figurative nuke. In essence, the First Order wants to turn out the Republic's lights before driving forward into the Republic. Otherwise, the Republic can too easily rally and destroy the First Order. The First Order is, basically, Nazi Germany staring at the Soviet Union, trying to figure out how to swallow it whole (and not being completely stupid about it, like the Nazis were).

3- The First Order appears, at least from Before the Awakening , to be the only Imperial Remnant. They also control a small but significant portion of space, probably comparable in size - in known size to the Republic, at least - to Hutt Space. A significant portion of the First Order, however, stretches into the Unknown Regions, into places the Republic doesn't even know exists, many of them found, settled, and kept secret by the Empire prior to Endor.

Republic disarmament programs are likely a culmination of several things: Imperial and First Order sympathizers in the Senate, popular dislike and distrust of standing, centralized military forces (remember that the Republic didn't have a standing military until the Kaminoans supplied the clones for the Grand Army of the Republic, the GAR - just three years after its inception - served as the core nucleus for the Imperial Navy and Stormtrooper Corps, and it was the Imperial military that was responsible for much of the application of the Empire's oppression, while the forces that opposed and defeated the Empire consisted chiefly of individuals and small groups opposed to the oppression of the Empire and reinforced by the system defense forces of sympathetic worlds, such as Mon Cala), plus the armistice between the Republic and the First Order limiting the size and number of ships permitted to each government's military.

We've stopped talking about the ship, which was posted everywhere and spoiled nothing, and started touching on plot, which for a thread with no spoiler warning is pretty not cool guys,

I wouldn't mind it if it is the same size as the ISD. The thing I'm mostly curious about is, if they produce one, how they are going to do the open spaces at the tip of the ship.

Yeesh! Yeah, either we need to put up a spoiler warning or ask a mod to do some trimming....

Yeesh! Yeah, either we need to put up a spoiler warning or ask a mod to do some trimming....

But I like reading some peoples thoughts on the subject.

Maybe they place them in the spoiler tag so people like us can read them?

I'm a little surprised that the Republic managed to disarm itself in the face of very fierce opponents who would jump at the opportunity to destroy them. The only way I can rationalize this is that the First Order moved very secretly to hide their developments, such that nobody knew what they were really capable of. When they moved they blindsided the Republic who thought their centralized fleet and local sector militias could contain any outbreak by the Empire. Obviously not, and thankfully Leia didn't think this was a sound strategy either.

This is pretty much the biggest plot hole in the entire movie for me so far. The rest seems so cut and dry, but to demilitarize after Endor does not make any sense.

Its no plot hole if there is an explantion for it.

Not chasing the fleeing TIE with 20 other TIEs is a plot hole. The Inactivity of the Republic is not:

- The first order appears rather weak. Nobody knew about the superweapon and otherwise the fleet seems to be small (hell they cant ecen afford updated interceptors or bombers).

- The first order seems to fear the republic fleet.

- The First order could be a one system minor, nothing a Republic resettling after a major conflict could or should worry about, espacally if there is still a large Imperial Remnats Faction out there.

1- The Republic does, presumably, have updated interceptors and bombers. In fact, the T-70 is already an older model of X-Wing - the current Republic standard is the T-85 X-Wing. It's not the Republic that doesn't have them, it's the Resistance, a semi-rogue quasi-independent portion of the Republic's military actively opposing the First Order.

2- The Republic is huge, the First Order is tiny. The First Order's plan requires surprise and the deployment of a figurative nuke. In essence, the First Order wants to turn out the Republic's lights before driving forward into the Republic. Otherwise, the Republic can too easily rally and destroy the First Order. The First Order is, basically, Nazi Germany staring at the Soviet Union, trying to figure out how to swallow it whole (and not being completely stupid about it, like the Nazis were).

3- The First Order appears, at least from Before the Awakening , to be the only Imperial Remnant. They also control a small but significant portion of space, probably comparable in size - in known size to the Republic, at least - to Hutt Space. A significant portion of the First Order, however, stretches into the Unknown Regions, into places the Republic doesn't even know exists, many of them found, settled, and kept secret by the Empire prior to Endor.

Republic disarmament programs are likely a culmination of several things: Imperial and First Order sympathizers in the Senate, popular dislike and distrust of standing, centralized military forces (remember that the Republic didn't have a standing military until the Kaminoans supplied the clones for the Grand Army of the Republic, the GAR - just three years after its inception - served as the core nucleus for the Imperial Navy and Stormtrooper Corps, and it was the Imperial military that was responsible for much of the application of the Empire's oppression, while the forces that opposed and defeated the Empire consisted chiefly of individuals and small groups opposed to the oppression of the Empire and reinforced by the system defense forces of sympathetic worlds, such as Mon Cala), plus the armistice between the Republic and the First Order limiting the size and number of ships permitted to each government's military.

I was talking about the first Orders lack of TIE-Interceptors and TIE-Bombers for .... Interceptions and Bombing in the new movie.

The rest was what I hinting to. Although you example of Nazi Germany and Soviet Union is utterly wrong, as Nazi Germany was stronger than the Soviet Union alone.

What makes you think the First Order is the only Remnant?

Its true, that only the creation of the republic army lead to its downfall and th creation of the empire. So its understandabel to limit the republic army, even more when there is not a CIS or Empire endangering the Republic.

Hey, one TIE fighter was enough to knock out all of its turbolasers, so it was clearly a pretty crappy Star Destroyer.

Hey, one TIE fighter was enough to knock out all of its turbolasers , so it was clearly a pretty crappy Star Destroyer.

Just the ones on the bottom. (toothy grin)

I'm a little surprised that the Republic managed to disarm itself in the face of very fierce opponents who would jump at the opportunity to destroy them. The only way I can rationalize this is that the First Order moved very secretly to hide their developments, such that nobody knew what they were really capable of. When they moved they blindsided the Republic who thought their centralized fleet and local sector militias could contain any outbreak by the Empire. Obviously not, and thankfully Leia didn't think this was a sound strategy either.

This is pretty much the biggest plot hole in the entire movie for me so far. The rest seems so cut and dry, but to demilitarize after Endor does not make any sense.

Its no plot hole if there is an explantion for it.

Not chasing the fleeing TIE with 20 other TIEs is a plot hole. The Inactivity of the Republic is not:

- The first order appears rather weak. Nobody knew about the superweapon and otherwise the fleet seems to be small (hell they cant ecen afford updated interceptors or bombers).

- The first order seems to fear the republic fleet.

- The First order could be a one system minor, nothing a Republic resettling after a major conflict could or should worry about, espacally if there is still a large Imperial Remnats Faction out there.

1- The Republic does, presumably, have updated interceptors and bombers. In fact, the T-70 is already an older model of X-Wing - the current Republic standard is the T-85 X-Wing. It's not the Republic that doesn't have them, it's the Resistance, a semi-rogue quasi-independent portion of the Republic's military actively opposing the First Order.

2- The Republic is huge, the First Order is tiny. The First Order's plan requires surprise and the deployment of a figurative nuke. In essence, the First Order wants to turn out the Republic's lights before driving forward into the Republic. Otherwise, the Republic can too easily rally and destroy the First Order. The First Order is, basically, Nazi Germany staring at the Soviet Union, trying to figure out how to swallow it whole (and not being completely stupid about it, like the Nazis were).

3- The First Order appears, at least from Before the Awakening , to be the only Imperial Remnant. They also control a small but significant portion of space, probably comparable in size - in known size to the Republic, at least - to Hutt Space. A significant portion of the First Order, however, stretches into the Unknown Regions, into places the Republic doesn't even know exists, many of them found, settled, and kept secret by the Empire prior to Endor.

Republic disarmament programs are likely a culmination of several things: Imperial and First Order sympathizers in the Senate, popular dislike and distrust of standing, centralized military forces (remember that the Republic didn't have a standing military until the Kaminoans supplied the clones for the Grand Army of the Republic, the GAR - just three years after its inception - served as the core nucleus for the Imperial Navy and Stormtrooper Corps, and it was the Imperial military that was responsible for much of the application of the Empire's oppression, while the forces that opposed and defeated the Empire consisted chiefly of individuals and small groups opposed to the oppression of the Empire and reinforced by the system defense forces of sympathetic worlds, such as Mon Cala), plus the armistice between the Republic and the First Order limiting the size and number of ships permitted to each government's military.

I was talking about the first Orders lack of TIE-Interceptors and TIE-Bombers for .... Interceptions and Bombing in the new movie.

The rest was what I hinting to. Although you example of Nazi Germany and Soviet Union is utterly wrong, as Nazi Germany was stronger than the Soviet Union alone.

What makes you think the First Order is the only Remnant?

Its true, that only the creation of the republic army lead to its downfall and th creation of the empire. So its understandabel to limit the republic army, even more when there is not a CIS or Empire endangering the Republic.

1- Real world similes are never perfect. In any event, invading the Soviet Union was an enormous mistake, the Soviets suffered the most loses of the war, and it was ultimately the Soviets who sacked Berlin, leading to Hitler committing suicide.

2- The description of a map from Before the Awakening , in which the map is described to show three things: The entirety of the Republic, the First Order, and the buffer zone between them. If there were any other remnants, they were not mentioned as being on the map and nobody was comparing the First Order to any other Imperial remnant (nobody said anything like, "Imperial remnants can be fanatical, but these First Order yay-hoos take it to a whole other level!").

I'm a little surprised that the Republic managed to disarm itself in the face of very fierce opponents who would jump at the opportunity to destroy them. The only way I can rationalize this is that the First Order moved very secretly to hide their developments, such that nobody knew what they were really capable of. When they moved they blindsided the Republic who thought their centralized fleet and local sector militias could contain any outbreak by the Empire. Obviously not, and thankfully Leia didn't think this was a sound strategy either.

This is pretty much the biggest plot hole in the entire movie for me so far. The rest seems so cut and dry, but to demilitarize after Endor does not make any sense.

IIRC, they didn't demilitarize after Endor, but after the battle of Jakku.

I'm a little surprised that the Republic managed to disarm itself in the face of very fierce opponents who would jump at the opportunity to destroy them. The only way I can rationalize this is that the First Order moved very secretly to hide their developments, such that nobody knew what they were really capable of. When they moved they blindsided the Republic who thought their centralized fleet and local sector militias could contain any outbreak by the Empire. Obviously not, and thankfully Leia didn't think this was a sound strategy either.

This is pretty much the biggest plot hole in the entire movie for me so far. The rest seems so cut and dry, but to demilitarize after Endor does not make any sense.

IIRC, they didn't demilitarize after Endor, but after the battle of Jakku.

Yes, you're correct. Misspoke.

I'm a little surprised that the Republic managed to disarm itself in the face of very fierce opponents who would jump at the opportunity to destroy them. The only way I can rationalize this is that the First Order moved very secretly to hide their developments, such that nobody knew what they were really capable of. When they moved they blindsided the Republic who thought their centralized fleet and local sector militias could contain any outbreak by the Empire. Obviously not, and thankfully Leia didn't think this was a sound strategy either.

This is pretty much the biggest plot hole in the entire movie for me so far. The rest seems so cut and dry, but to demilitarize after Endor does not make any sense.

It was some time after jakku. As some in the republic have grown tired of the endless war and deaths.

Also i would assume with all the monies diverted to the death stars that system would be nearly broke. As the book tarkin makes it seem the 1st death star was being built aftwr revenge of the sith and took 20 plus years to finish. It hand to cost 15,602,022,489,829,821,422,840,226.94 pkus the second was larger and then the SSD. So figure roughtly 32 septillion plus more for all the ships and such. And given the wide spread dmg the galaxy was seen heading into a depression if the republic had to tool up for a larger force to retake imp held systems

I thought it was just a matter of a proxy war, which even fits with General Hux's speech. New Republic knows the First Order is up to no good, assumes its not serious, and funds a small guerrilla insurgency to combat what they see as a tiny menace. Nothing could possibly go wrong except the first order is crazy and had the equivalent of a lot of nukes and a big red button. No real plot holes because the readiness and the size of the New Republic military isn't an issue during the surprise attack.

It's also worth noting the Republic's idea of demilitarizing was largely to disperse the fleet to it's member planets and put it under their direct control.

If I understand it right, this means that while the Republic fleet is gone, the various fleets of each system are still very much active. So probably the Star Killer base just did the equivalent of destroy the United States and it's military, but the rest of NATO is still around and very able to oppose them.

Should we move back to the Resurgent ? We can discuss Galactic politics elsewhere in another spoiler thread. Of course the title of that would be giving it away as well...

It's said that the split structure at the front of the ship is a massive hangar. We've seen launches, I think, from the sides, from the front, and it has the typical Star Destroyer ventral hangar. Is this a return to the Venator standard of large fighter groups, or did they inflate the Imperial just to add more fighter capacity?

The RSD has a flight deck for assault ships occupying the "underbite" on the prow and near each side hangar, each of which are loaded with TIEs as seen in the film, in addition to a more traditional SD belly hangar with even more TIE racks.

Copying from the incredible cross sections book:

Evoking The Past;

While it's size evokes the command ships of the Empire, the Finalizer's design recalls those of Republic Era capital ships from the clone wars. Her dorsal flight deck, side hangars, and prominent keel are similar to elements of the Venator class Star Destroyer, reflecting a renewed appreciation among First Order tactician for capital ships' role as carriers.

The Finalized can launch her full complement of star fighters and assault ships much more quickly than her predecessors in the Imperial Navy could.

Other Imperial Era design flaws have also been rectified - the need for a better protected command bridge with increased redundancy in command and control systems was a hard lesson learned from the loss of Executor at the Battle of Endor.

Edit: regarding the First Orders new SF TIE... it has huge capacitors(the cogs on the wings) shields and even hyperdrive. Designed for long range deep strike missions and sustained engagements.

The First Order aren't selling the lives of their pilots short. Even the basic TIE/fo has shields now.

The book also mentions that the Resurgent is in clear violation of treaties with the New Republic governing capital ship construction.

I fail to be excited about a ship that in the movie looks like simply yet another Star Destroyer. You probably need to compare with the shooting angle of earlier movies to notice a size difference. If at all.

Hence I am totally indifferent to see it in Armada. Doesnt fill any niche.

The RSD has a flight deck for assault ships occupying the "underbite" on the prow and near each side hangar, each of which are loaded with TIEs as seen in the film, in addition to a more traditional SD belly hangar with even more TIE racks.

Copying from the incredible cross sections book:

Evoking The Past;

While it's size evokes the command ships of the Empire, the Finalizer's design recalls those of Republic Era capital ships from the clone wars. Her dorsal flight deck, side hangars, and prominent keel are similar to elements of the Venator class Star Destroyer, reflecting a renewed appreciation among First Order tactician for capital ships' role as carriers.

The Finalized can launch her full complement of star fighters and assault ships much more quickly than her predecessors in the Imperial Navy could.

Other Imperial Era design flaws have also been rectified - the need for a better protected command bridge with increased redundancy in command and control systems was a hard lesson learned from the loss of Executor at the Battle of Endor.

Edit: regarding the First Orders new SF TIE... it has huge capacitors(the cogs on the wings) shields and even hyperdrive. Designed for long range deep strike missions and sustained engagements.

The First Order aren't selling the lives of their pilots short. Even the basic TIE/fo has shields now.

Wow, pretty interesting, so how about a nice special rule for this super carrier? While the super carrier is on the table x squadrons count as having rogue- x=command value. That would be nice and you could still use the squadron command to activate more fighters.