I think that we on the forums need to be more proactive in moderating as well though:

1. If someone posts something inflammatory or starts spamming posts, as hard as it is we as a forum community should ignore the post and the person responsible for it. If you look at the posts a certain member made that has alot of people upset, the member posted about 3-4 times on each post, the other 100 post are all from other members. By posting instead of ignoring that member it a) takes us away from why we are all really here, to talk x-wing or star wars in general and B) keeps the troll post front and center on the forum boards.

2. If someone posts something to the point where it can't be ignored then report the post. Sure moderators should be watching the forum, but its also on us to make them aware of people abusing the forum. If your house was on fire would you not call the fire department because you think they should be able to see the blaze themselves or that a neighbor will probably call?

3. Let's not let one person bring this forum down, lets get back to talking about x-wing and Star Wars and leave the negativity behind us!

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

No one, if we can all act like responsible adults.

Responsible Adults? THIS IS THE INTERNET!!!!!! *kicks Echthellion III into the well*

Seriously though I do agree with the acting like responsible adults part.

The minor trolling this week is nothing compared to what this board has been through. It's largely died down already. Only the reaction threads are still going.

Come next spoiler this will be forgotten.

I appreciate how hands off FFG has been. The rant posts this week were resolved through discussion and I at least think there was some benefit to those threads in the end.

Overbearing mods that lock threads before people can hash things out doesn't solve anything IMO.

Also, I've had a thread deleted before (linked to a Kickstarter) within an hour. I'm sure there are plenty of threads that are being deleted and users that are getting sent warnings as result of reports.

Just because we don't see the moderating doesn't mean it's not happening.

The need for mods is coming from inside the thread!!

You can, you know, just ignore what you don't like or agree with. It will only affect you if you choose it to.

That is of course not really true. If the forum gets run over by this kind of inanery it would pretty much end the viability of this communtiy.

I've seen it happen before, in fact it is killing the largest forum in Europe right now, I expect 2016 will be the last year for thati site.

It works for me and others who regularly use the ignore function on this forum. How is it going to kill the community? If might kill the whiners too, and if that happens, all the better.

Bcause if you ignore the unwanted all that happens is that new people will come and see a crapheap, and they will go elsewhere. If you ignore the unwanted and pretend they don't exist they will run rampant and draw more of their ilk. If you ignore the unwanted their behaviour will become the norm and the community will die.

You don't need an ignore function, ignore functions are the very antithesis to discussion platforms. You need active, visible moderators being present to ensure a lively and civil environment. And that doesn't mean the crew needs to edit everything, and lock threads or ban people. It means they need to be a part of the community, that way quite often the only moderation needed is a simple post telling people to relax a bit.

/thread locked/

/j/k/

You can, you know, just ignore what you don't like or agree with. It will only affect you if you choose it to.

QFT. Jesus, kids today. Their faces would have Toht-melted if they had ever seen Usenet. But God forbid a click-bait troll-post ever go unexplored.

You can, you know, just ignore what you don't like or agree with. It will only affect you if you choose it to.

QFT. Jesus, kids today. Their faces would have Toht-melted if they had ever seen Usenet. But God forbid a click-bait troll-post ever go unexplored.

Nice Raiders of the Lost Ark reference there.

Purple monkey dishwasher

three word story part2?

Purple monkey dishwasher

washed purple monkey

You can, you know, just ignore what you don't like or agree with. It will only affect you if you choose it to.

That is of course not really true. If the forum gets run over by this kind of inanery it would pretty much end the viability of this communtiy.

I've seen it happen before, in fact it is killing the largest forum in Europe right now, I expect 2016 will be the last year for thati site.

It works for me and others who regularly use the ignore function on this forum. How is it going to kill the community? If might kill the whiners too, and if that happens, all the better.

Bcause if you ignore the unwanted all that happens is that new people will come and see a crapheap, and they will go elsewhere. If you ignore the unwanted and pretend they don't exist they will run rampant and draw more of their ilk. If you ignore the unwanted their behaviour will become the norm and the community will die.

You don't need an ignore function, ignore functions are the very antithesis to discussion platforms. You need active, visible moderators being present to ensure a lively and civil environment. And that doesn't mean the crew needs to edit everything, and lock threads or ban people. It means they need to be a part of the community, that way quite often the only moderation needed is a simple post telling people to relax a bit.

Take me, for instance. I started playing in April, and came here, for the first time, two or three weeks later. I saw some crapheads then (still do, now and again) and didn't leave.

Think of the time you came to the forums for the first time. Did you leave? Or what, did you only start seeing crapheads now?

Sure, moderators help. But what helps more is you not letting trolls get to you. Or feeding them.

I don't see what the issue is. If someone is offending you over your opinion about plastic space ships why is this a problem?

I like that this forum is moderated lightly. Someone stating that FFG is intentionally releasing broken ships in order to overcharge for fix cards isn't hurting you personally. Him creating 3-4 threads about it also isn't hurting you personally.

Also, why aren't you guys agreeing with him? We could have a cheaper game if we all (pretended to) agree with ColonelGeneralVatutin and FFG listened to us. But nope, someone is saying something negative and we can't have that. Not everyone wants a Starviper, but every Imperial only player I nkow has one for autothrusters. Why would selling autothrusters seperately harm you? Hell, I have a complete 100 point set of everything in the game besides for the HWK and scum Z-95 and I would LOVE to be able to buy upgrade card singles or card only packs for reasonable prices.

If FFG actually paid attention to the forum for actual business decisions, then we would have had card packs a LONG time ago.

Not everyone wants a Starviper

Some people want FOUR STARVIPERS.

I don't see what the issue is. If someone is offending you over your opinion about plastic space ships why is this a problem?

I like that this forum is moderated lightly. Someone stating that FFG is intentionally releasing broken ships in order to overcharge for fix cards isn't hurting you personally. Him creating 3-4 threads about it also isn't hurting you personally.

Also, why aren't you guys agreeing with him? We could have a cheaper game if we all (pretended to) agree with ColonelGeneralVatutin and FFG listened to us. But nope, someone is saying something negative and we can't have that. Not everyone wants a Starviper, but every Imperial only player I nkow has one for autothrusters. Why would selling autothrusters seperately harm you? Hell, I have a complete 100 point set of everything in the game besides for the HWK and scum Z-95 and I would LOVE to be able to buy upgrade card singles or card only packs for reasonable prices.

Well there is the spamming the forums with the same thread 4 times. That is pretty much always not kosher on forums. Then there is those threads containing a number of references that are universally considered unacceptable (his very first started with a sodomy reference). And then there is that every one of those threads includes generalized personal attacks against anyone that disagrees with his point if view. All of that is typical behavior of someone trolling forums.

I'd love to save more money and still get the same product, except I'm not so naive as to demand that over and over. I understand that getting more for less isn't a realistic position to take in many regards. I'm also not ignorant of the fact that there are other concerns that go into distribution beyond accessibility and price to the consumer.

The game is generally of high-quality, it is reasonably well supported, it is priced on the lower end of the spectrum (even considering the packaging of upgrade cards) price wise.

This comes up often when buying online vs in store is brought up, but getting product for cheaper is not always to the consumers benefit. Those savings have costs of thier own.

Is it that bad though? Compared to pretty much every other board I frequent, this one seems pretty civilized. Which threads in particular are you complaining about?

Brah it is basically that these not cool at all gamer snargs from these other not cool at all forums run over here and do their drive by bombings on us when a serious news item is posted.

If I had a nickel for every-time I have seen a few dozen whole-asses come on here and scream about FFG putting great cards in the wrong expansion packs (as far as they feel), I would own a REAL T-70... would have it built and such special likes.

A lot of dummies hate the T-70... and that sez all I need to know about them.

I don't see what the issue is. If someone is offending you over your opinion about plastic space ships why is this a problem?

I like that this forum is moderated lightly. Someone stating that FFG is intentionally releasing broken ships in order to overcharge for fix cards isn't hurting you personally. Him creating 3-4 threads about it also isn't hurting you personally.

Also, why aren't you guys agreeing with him? We could have a cheaper game if we all (pretended to) agree with ColonelGeneralVatutin and FFG listened to us. But nope, someone is saying something negative and we can't have that. Not everyone wants a Starviper, but every Imperial only player I nkow has one for autothrusters. Why would selling autothrusters seperately harm you? Hell, I have a complete 100 point set of everything in the game besides for the HWK and scum Z-95 and I would LOVE to be able to buy upgrade card singles or card only packs for reasonable prices.

Well there is the spamming the forums with the same thread 4 times. That is pretty much always not kosher on forums. Then there is those threads containing a number of references that are universally considered unacceptable (his very first started with a sodomy reference). And then there is that every one of those threads includes generalized personal attacks against anyone that disagrees with his point if view. All of that is typical behavior of someone trolling forums.

I'd love to save more money and still get the same product, except I'm not so naive as to demand that over and over. I understand that getting more for less isn't a realistic position to take in many regards. I'm also not ignorant of the fact that there are other concerns that go into distribution beyond accessibility and price to the consumer.

The game is generally of high-quality, it is reasonably well supported, it is priced on the lower end of the spectrum (even considering the packaging of upgrade cards) price wise.

This comes up often when buying online vs in store is brought up, but getting product for cheaper is not always to the consumers benefit. Those savings have costs of thier own.

4 times....4 times? How have you survived on the internet when stuff is way worse on other forums or on the internet in general? You need to build up that tolerance and thicken up your skin. How many personal attacks were directed at him for his ideas just because they weren't popular?

I don't agree even a tiny little bit.

Take me, for instance. I started playing in April, and came here, for the first time, two or three weeks later. I saw some crapheads then (still do, now and again) and didn't leave.

Think of the time you came to the forums for the first time. Did you leave? Or what, did you only start seeing crapheads now?

Sure, moderators help. But what helps more is you not letting trolls get to you. Or feeding them.

You not agreeing is more than fine, I've no problem with that.

And this forum is a tiny pool full of kittens and puppies, the way they treat each other.

The forum I frequent the most has been called, in a scientific study, as the breeding ground for trolls and flamers in the Netherlands and for every new member another person takes a look and goes elsewhere.

That site is seriously hurting in the financial department and that is due to a too lax attitude towards that kind of behaviour by the owner.

What helps is not letting trolls getting to you, what doesn't help is pretending they don't exist or don't need treatment. You should not let them fester.

I don't agree even a tiny little bit.

Take me, for instance. I started playing in April, and came here, for the first time, two or three weeks later. I saw some crapheads then (still do, now and again) and didn't leave.

Think of the time you came to the forums for the first time. Did you leave? Or what, did you only start seeing crapheads now?

Sure, moderators help. But what helps more is you not letting trolls get to you. Or feeding them.

You not agreeing is more than fine, I've no problem with that.

And this forum is a tiny pool full of kittens and puppies, the way they treat each other.

The forum I frequent the most has been called, in a scientific study, as the breeding ground for trolls and flamers in the Netherlands and for every new member another person takes a look and goes elsewhere.

That site is seriously hurting in the financial department and that is due to a too lax attitude towards that kind of behaviour by the owner.

What helps is not letting trolls getting to you, what doesn't help is pretending they don't exist or don't need treatment. You should not let them fester.

Dagonet, no one is pretending they don't exist or don't need treatment. As it stands now, the forum looks, to me, ok, and I am sure no new players will detract because of the recent trolly posts that we have been having. So it's just a matter of being practical. Just relax and hit that ignore button.

If FFG actually paid attention to the forum for actual business decisions, then we would have had card packs a LONG time ago.

And card packs are not part of their business model. Toy/model plus cardboard has worked so far and it's not going to change. If you don't like it there's this thing called the secondary market. FFG won't see a dime of your money then.

I don't agree even a tiny little bit.

Take me, for instance. I started playing in April, and came here, for the first time, two or three weeks later. I saw some crapheads then (still do, now and again) and didn't leave.

Think of the time you came to the forums for the first time. Did you leave? Or what, did you only start seeing crapheads now?

Sure, moderators help. But what helps more is you not letting trolls get to you. Or feeding them.

You not agreeing is more than fine, I've no problem with that.

And this forum is a tiny pool full of kittens and puppies, the way they treat each other.

The forum I frequent the most has been called, in a scientific study, as the breeding ground for trolls and flamers in the Netherlands and for every new member another person takes a look and goes elsewhere.

That site is seriously hurting in the financial department and that is due to a too lax attitude towards that kind of behaviour by the owner.

What helps is not letting trolls getting to you, what doesn't help is pretending they don't exist or don't need treatment. You should not let them fester.

Dagonet, no one is pretending they don't exist or don't need treatment. As it stands now, the forum looks, to me, ok, and I am sure no new players will detract because of the recent trolly posts that we have been having. So it's just a matter of being practical. Just relax and hit that ignore button.

One thing i've learnt and it stops people annoying me on forums is that once you've made your point, if someone is arguing with you and you're just going round in circles.... walk away.

I'll say 'this is what i think, i understand what you're saying but i disagree and i'm leaving this thread at this point as i dont think anything constuctive is happening with both of us just repeating the same lines'

The trick is then to actually not go back to the thread. If you really have to leave it a few days, i can guarantee you wont care as much about the argument as you did 48 hours ago

I really dont have time to argue with people on the internet so I just say what i think needs saying and then leave anyone belligerent to it. I do wonder sometimes if they are constantly clicking 'refresh' to see how their last point was responded to and then finally realising im not going to respond to it because i've moved on days ago....

Although you must ask your self... why are you going round in circles with questions & answers?

Is it because one or other person involved doesnt understand yet the other person expects them to understand what they are saying?

(hint I suffer from Dysphasia and I do have that issue where people keep repeating the same thing to me ... because every one else understands it why dont I)

Not everything is what it appears at face value

I'd like to think that as a former high school teacher (and teaching assistant prior to that) and as a former adult instructor for army cadets I'm relatively good at making my points clear and easy to understand. In the latter role not getting your point across while children have live weapons could be messy

Sometimes though you just clearly have a difference of opinion that is never going to come to an amicable conclusion.

The 'win at all costs' vs 'fly casual' periodically occurring debate is a good example as it totally polarises the forum and everyone suddenly gets incredibly partisan about their playstyle