The real point is what Ackbar is saying, "It is a trap" and most people find out too late the hard way.

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I'm basking in the '4 brobot' hate. I'm on that boat, love running 4 of them in a 200 point game.

Speaking of Ackbar, does anyone else find it weird that he is the one considered a tactical genius, yet it was Lando that won the Battle of Endor? Lando realized the shields were up, Lando was the one that kept Ackbar from retreating, and Lando was the one that ordered them to get close to the star destroyers to get cover from the death star?

Because Billy D Williams is a ******* badass and that's all we all need to know.

I read your posts fully.

I can see why you're frustrated that upgrade cards aren't included with non-redundant/duplicative releases like the TIE Inquisitor.

I guess an analogy is if you bought a copy of Fallout 4, then they released a patch with fixes that only came with a separate DLC.

I can see how that's frustrating and I'd be lying if I said I didn't wish for those upgrade cards to come free.

But. And this is a big but. You're making it sound like X-wing is some life-saving drug. FFG isn't a pharmaceutical company that is price-gouging impoverished orphans for something they need.

X-wing is a hobby that we are choosing to pay for. If someone is making "significant sacrifices" and robbing houses to play X-wing, FFG is the last to blame. That person has serious underlying issues unrelated to the price of a Raider.

If it's too expensive, then there are other hobbies that you can invest in. I'm not sure what the big deal is. Do you scream at every car company that they're making better car models every year and actually charging people for those new cars?

I'll leave you with this thought. Are you not being a tad greedy yourself? You want more toys for cheaper without a care for FFG's profit-loss margin. FFG has bills to pay t0o, and as opposed to it being a hobby, making X-wing profitable and keeping it alive is their job.

Is this a joke? Get over yourself.

Anyone want to start a bidding war for OP's stuff? I'll start at $1 for everything xwing related you own, dude, help you out, cause Im a nice guy and I don't want to see you suffer any more. I'm here for you, help me help you.

To the OP....Cool story bro.

To everyone else....TL,DR.

This guy clearly never played and Games Workshop games.

When did people stop taking responsibility for their actions? Why is it that anything that happens to "me" is someone else's fault? Has radiation from the T.V. or cell phones altered our DNA?

Let me ask of you one question. "What do you consider a 'fair' profit? 3%? 5%? Lower or higher? Did you give any thought to what lower retail prices would do to the flgs? Do you even care about them? Sorry, that's more than one question.

Let's say that FFG sells at cost to retail customers. You've just eliminated retail outlets. There's no profit for the flgs to carry and sell the games so they close. That's okay, play at home.

Now, because FFG is selling at cost, there's no money for R&D. They could up the price of current games to cover the development of new games but that's not acceptable. At least to you. There's no money for new equipment purchases and they can't get a loan for repairs because they don't show a profit.

I don't know what experience you have in running a business but when I had a hobby shop I was told that the average store runs a 2% net profit. I'll leave it to you to figure out what your gross sales need to be for a $1500/month pay check. That's before taxes. Figure 35% loss due to taxes, (federal, state and local) medicare and social security. Death and taxes. No room for profit.

Last question. What do YOU consider a fair profit?

This from the person with 4 IG-2000s .....seriously what are you doing with those exactly. I can recommend some other games. They clearly got you All Shield Forward! Cognitive dissonance theory means your mind is all in on supporting your habit and their practices.

I own 4.

because BROBOT POWER

and they look cool.

they play in Epic.

and play pretty unusual way, mind you.

point is: FFG products are relatively cheap. and nobody forces anyone.

habit is one thing, hobby is another. When you love your hobby, you don't care, you buy yourself 4 IGs, plant them on rotating magnets, paint them and fly them

When you just want to get a cheap beatstick for local store tourneys you ***** and whine.

we have such players, we don't care about them.

I don't think I've ever seen someone write quite so much while saying nothing at all. Tell me, OP, how much of your life did you waste on that piece?

Sorry, but what does TL,DR mean? I've seen it several times and don't have a clue.

too long; didn't read

Sorry, but what does TL,DR mean? I've seen it several times and don't have a clue.

Too long; didn't read.

I'm sorry, but your points are all nullified- Try playing Vassal. It's free and all you need is a squadron builder and working internet/computer. Sure you miss out on the social /collecting aspect, but you can still play this game for free.....

too long; didn't read

Aha! Thank you.

Sorry, but what does TL,DR mean? I've seen it several times and don't have a clue.

Too long; didn't read.

Thanks!

Speaking of Ackbar, does anyone else find it weird that he is the one considered a tactical genius, yet it was Lando that won the Battle of Endor? Lando realized the shields were up, Lando was the one that kept Ackbar from retreating, and Lando was the one that ordered them to get close to the star destroyers to get cover from the death star?

Oh my god, you're right!

Then again, I've kind of thought of Admiral Ackbar as the supreme, promoted version of Captain Obvious.

"IT'S A TRAP!!!"

Thanks for stating the obvious and keeping your cool, Ackbar.

Guy needs some hemorrhoid cream for the ****hurt.

.....yup. You keep on fighting the good fight there buddy. Viva la resistance!

OP: Are you playing in tournaments?

If not, just proxy the upgrade / pilot cards you want. Simple fix.

I read your posts fully.

I can see why you're frustrated that upgrade cards aren't included with non-redundant/duplicative releases like the TIE Inquisitor.

I guess an analogy is if you bought a copy of Fallout 4, then they released a patch with fixes that only came with a separate DLC.

I can see how that's frustrating and I'd be lying if I said I didn't wish for those upgrade cards to come free.

But. And this is a big but. You're making it sound like X-wing is some life-saving drug. FFG isn't a pharmaceutical company that is price-gouging impoverished orphans for something they need.

X-wing is a hobby that we are choosing to pay for. If someone is making "significant sacrifices" and robbing houses to play X-wing, FFG is the last to blame. That person has serious underlying issues unrelated to the price of a Raider.

If it's too expensive, then there are other hobbies that you can invest in. I'm not sure what the big deal is. Do you scream at every car company that they're making better car models every year and actually charging people for those new cars?

I'll leave you with this thought. Are you not being a tad greedy yourself? You want more toys for cheaper without a care for FFG's profit-loss margin. FFG has bills to pay t0o, and as opposed to it being a hobby, making X-wing profitable and keeping it alive is their job.

First, I appreciate your thoughtful response. I will be going to bed after this.

My point is the unbridled part. I want them to make lots of money because I want there to be an incentive for them. I am a die hard capitalist. My favorite book is The Commanding Heights. I have read The Economists almost every week for the last 15 or so years. Don't let my username, which I realize now is a problem making these arguments, fool you. I am a ww2 buff and since the soviets won the war I took who was possibly their best commanders name as a username. Brilliant combined arms tactician. Studied him in the War College. He died before the end of the war so he didn't get the fanfare of others and is largely forgotten. Saved a lot of American lives and maybe some Germans if war wasn't won by the time the bomb was dropped. We were planning on using it there first.

Their is a point were the corporation justs starts unfair practices. Yeah only people playing epic should buy the raider. Their should be no unfair incentive granted to epic players than us other players. We are loyal customers. If epic can stand on its own two feet great but it doesn't deserve a bailout from us, the regular X-wing players.

Since I have no money problems the argument of being selfish might not apply. I am honestly concerned for others by making this post. I have real gold plated coins for my games, so seriously money is not the issue. This last announcement has shown that they are doing this sort of price gouging on purpose on people who would have never dreamed going in that they would likely start this practice. The early adopters get hammered. the consumer in many cases is not making an informed economic choice as to the reality of the cost of the game. So many have quit because of this problem. They think that Tie advanced is competitive and learn that it isn't and all I am saying is throw some cardboard at the people who put their faith in the company.

Tie this cardboard, if you will, to items that will legitimately add to their collections in meaningful ways. You actual keep customers, the scene thrives, the collection grows, the meta grows, and people don't feel duped.

They can still make a ton of money and still not give people crooked ships (I don't personally care about the money, but all the time as it takes years getting upgraded pimped out parts extra and I spend too much time rebuking FF crooked stuff and attempting to fix it). That would cost them .25 per ship at most for the slow down I am guessing. Pass it on to us so our ships look good. The upgrade cards are preventing people from entering the game in a much larger way because they give up. As smart as you think FF might be, I am guessing here, but ai would bet big, big money that the price and demand curves would have shaken out much better by meeting the consumer at least half way on my requests. Given I am not privy to their marketing research, I obviously don't know, but I would also bet very little was spent on marketing research. I think they would have been more successful if all the people who got out over a few cards and some of the shenanigans, who have been better, more long term consumers. You have the toe dippers, collectors, and the competitive people. I have talked to many competitive people who switched games when them became more like Gamesworkshop. It is a small sample of 20-30 people but hearing their stories kept me out of the game forever. Not because of money but because of time. I had no idea the true extent of the egregiousness of their tomfoolery until I got in and I don't dip a toes. I soon discovered the time was more of an issue than the money due to how fast and how much I acquired.

Spending $500 dollars and looking around for cards that I discovered were only in the Epic stuff was annoying and I feel cheated. Not because I can't afford them, but because that is just BS and I know others far less well off than me are frustrated. This forum is for the diehards so I am not preaching to to many people who will listen here. They like me are in no matter the costs, but there are a ton of people on the sidelines and I now know why. Their being on the sidelines not playing, reducing the pool of available players pisses me off. It is my opinion they are in the sideline because of fantasy flights business practice and fantasy flight's greed actual cost them money. Fewer players spending more money vs more player spending less. That is the one selfish element to all this. FF has robbed me of a much larger base of players because so many have heard it is pay to play, and so many have quit, and so many are afraid of trying it and liking it because they might get hooked into a pay for play game. This goes for Armada as well.

I read your posts fully.

I can see why you're frustrated that upgrade cards aren't included with non-redundant/duplicative releases like the TIE Inquisitor.

I guess an analogy is if you bought a copy of Fallout 4, then they released a patch with fixes that only came with a separate DLC.

I can see how that's frustrating and I'd be lying if I said I didn't wish for those upgrade cards to come free.

But. And this is a big but. You're making it sound like X-wing is some life-saving drug. FFG isn't a pharmaceutical company that is price-gouging impoverished orphans for something they need.

X-wing is a hobby that we are choosing to pay for. If someone is making "significant sacrifices" and robbing houses to play X-wing, FFG is the last to blame. That person has serious underlying issues unrelated to the price of a Raider.

If it's too expensive, then there are other hobbies that you can invest in. I'm not sure what the big deal is. Do you scream at every car company that they're making better car models every year and actually charging people for those new cars?

I'll leave you with this thought. Are you not being a tad greedy yourself? You want more toys for cheaper without a care for FFG's profit-loss margin. FFG has bills to pay t0o, and as opposed to it being a hobby, making X-wing profitable and keeping it alive is their job.

I don't think I've ever seen someone write quite so much while saying nothing at all. Tell me, OP, how much of your life did you waste on that piece?

...Oh.

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