I'm waiting for blu ray. This will be the first Star Wars movie that I don't see first in a theater.

This would be a mistake. As even a passing Star Wars fan,(which I'm betting you are since your on a forum dedicated to a game that exists in the Star Wars universe and you've seen all the rest in the theatre), you should definitely give it a try. Worst case scenario, you hate it and you've wasted 2 hrs and $10. If you wait till Blue Ray and love it, then you'll regret not seeing on the big screen. I have seen it twice(and I'm taking my wife on Thursday afternoon) and while I don't love it, and have several small nitpicks, overall it is a pretty good and exciting Star Wars movie.

Meh. I'm an older fart, and I find I have a lot less patience for blowing those 2 hours that I might when I was younger.

Fair enough. I respect that...it makes sense to me (another old...)

Meh. I'm an older fart, and I find I have a lot less patience for blowing those 2 hours that I might when I was younger.

Also an older guy and this makes total sense to me. However, to me Star Wars is something I've always seen in the cinema (way back to ANH) and I would kick myself if I enjoyed it on blue-ray and didn't get the chance to see it on the big screen.

Kylo Ren scares me.

He scares me. Not many people scare me outright, but he does. He's... Everything Anakin could have become, and yet... So much more powerful. A quiet, calculating, voice... Looks at people with the same, unwavering stare... The hair, even. He's everything Anakin was... But...

He's all the worst things about Anakin. Not in acting or something- no... He's the dark side of Anakin.

And he's frightening. Terrifying.

You Vader, Maul, were scary..?

Nobody's as terrifying as Kylo Ren.

Nobody.

The only thing I found terrifying about Emo Ren was the laugh out loud emo coming out of almost every word he uttered. His childish temper tantrums only furthered the emo in him.

Kylo Ren scares me.

He scares me. Not many people scare me outright, but he does. He's... Everything Anakin could have become, and yet... So much more powerful. A quiet, calculating, voice... Looks at people with the same, unwavering stare... The hair, even. He's everything Anakin was... But...

He's all the worst things about Anakin. Not in acting or something- no... He's the dark side of Anakin.

And he's frightening. Terrifying.

You Vader, Maul, were scary..?

Nobody's as terrifying as Kylo Ren.

Nobody.

The only thing I found terrifying about Emo Ren was the laugh out loud emo coming out of almost every word he uttered. His childish temper tantrums only furthered the emo in him.

Yeah, Darth Creaper or maybe Darth Emo is not an intimidating character. Han should have Greedo him down the shaft but Mr. Ford wanted out and did not want to do a movie a year so of course the way it ended was the only conceivable way.

Still Darth Emo is now more insufferable than Count Dooku/Darth Tarannus.

Meh. I'm an older fart, and I find I have a lot less patience for blowing those 2 hours that I might when I was younger.

Also an older guy and this makes total sense to me. However, to me Star Wars is something I've always seen in the cinema (way back to ANH) and I would kick myself if I enjoyed it on blue-ray and didn't get the chance to see it on the big screen.

This was my exact point. If I had had the chance to see them all in the theatre(I was born in 82 - I'm still mad at my mom for not taking my infant self to RotJ) and had not done so, as big as a fan as I am now, I'd be mad at myself. I kinda understand the "I'm old, so I don't want to waste 2 hours" argument, but unless you are super time efficient(never doing anything not productive - watching any tv, doing any hobby, posting on an Xwing forum) I feel like it is a very weak argument. I don't know any of you and don't presume to tell you how to spend your time, but I feel like a Star Wars fan should see a Star Wars movie as it was made to be seen, in the theatre. Just my two cents.

Kylo Ren scares me.

He scares me. Not many people scare me outright, but he does. He's... Everything Anakin could have become, and yet... So much more powerful. A quiet, calculating, voice... Looks at people with the same, unwavering stare... The hair, even. He's everything Anakin was... But...

He's all the worst things about Anakin. Not in acting or something- no... He's the dark side of Anakin.

And he's frightening. Terrifying.

You Vader, Maul, were scary..?

Nobody's as terrifying as Kylo Ren.Nobody.

The only thing I found terrifying about Emo Ren was the laugh out loud emo coming out of almost every word he uttered. His childish temper tantrums only furthered the emo in him.

Yeah, Darth Creaper or maybe Darth Emo is not an intimidating character. Han should have Greedo him down the shaft but Mr. Ford wanted out and did not want to do a movie a year so of course the way it ended was the only conceivable way.

Still Darth Emo is now more insufferable than Count Dooku/Darth Tarannus.

I also didn't care for Kylo Ren, but I think he would have been loads better if he hadn't removed his helmet at all or at least not till his confrontation with Han. I think it weakened his scary bad ass factor and gave him the Emo vibe everyone talks about.

On a different note, I always kinda liked count Dooku. Suave, regal, and dignified, he gave the Dark side a debonair flair(that rhymed -unintentional)

The trouble with Dooku is that he was only around for a single movie basically. Had they established him in Phantom Menace as the political leader of the Separatists instead of what they had now, and set Grievous in a military position you'd have more of a continuity between the movies.

Now you really need the Clone Wars for those two to actually mean something. Without the series they feel like some boss fights before proceeding to the next level.

The trouble with Dooku is that he was only around for a single movie basically. Had they established him in Phantom Menace as the political leader of the Separatists instead of what they had now, and set Grievous in a military position you'd have more of a continuity between the movies.

Now you really need the Clone Wars for those two to actually mean something. Without the series they feel like some boss fights before proceeding to the next level.

This is totally true. I think that The Clone Wars really saves the prequel era.

Such a waste of Christopher Lee.

Such a waste of Christopher Lee.

Sir Christopher Lee. RIP Dracula, Sauruman, and Dooku!

the only thing that saves the prequels is Revenge of the Sith, specifically the emperor

absolutely glorious

this is what happens when an actor knows he's in some **** and he has ceased to care

Just go see it on the big screen. (Not worth seeing it in 3D, but that goes for all "3D" movies, and always has.)

FTFY

The trouble with Dooku is that he was only around for a single movie basically. Had they established him in Phantom Menace as the political leader of the Separatists instead of what they had now, and set Grievous in a military position you'd have more of a continuity between the movies.

Now you really need the Clone Wars for those two to actually mean something. Without the series they feel like some boss fights before proceeding to the next level.

Sort of an idea for a redaction edit to fix the movie slightly. Some ideas taken from what if the prequels were good videos on YouTube.

Episode 1

Darth Maul defeats Obi Wan and instead of waiting for him to fall he tells Obi Wan about the true prophecy that a Dark Jedi will rise from the order and bring the Sith to rule once more, he was poorly trained and should join him. Destroyer Droids come in to seal the doom and show that Darth Maul has won. When the droid control ship ship gets destroyed the droids deactivate. Darth Maul retreats and survive.

Episode 2

After the clones arrive Darth Maul kills Count Dooku telling him "You're too late, Jedi" Obi Wan sees Darth Maul and begins to chase with his apprentice behind him. Darth Maul hasn't repaired his dual light saber so still wields only one but he defeats Obi Wan and Anikin. Still convinced that Obi Wan could cross over he tells Obi Wan to join the dark side until Yoda arrives and Darth Maul and Yoda have their lightsaber fight.

Episode 3

Sense the scene Count Dooku was in was so short Count Dooku is replaced by Darth Maul. Darth Maul fights Obi Wan again and defeats him then tells Anikin that he is no match. Surprised by Anikin's hubris Darth Maul finally realize that maybe Obi Wan was not the Jedi to cross over, Anikin defeats and executes Obi Wan.

Well that and there is some other edits that could happen, remove the "accidents" into something that was intentional. Anikin wanted to fly Jar Jar had an idea to drop the goo balls in the path of the advancing droid army, ect. Also remove some of the creep-o-meter from the false banter between Padame and Anikin. Maybe add in some of the deleted scenes to fill in all the crap that has been cut out.

I liked the movie, I chuckled a bit when the alien pilots immediately but the dust from the Resistance, and the Asian lady (Jessika Pava?) and Wexley made it out okay.

At least I assume the sullustan died, since you didn't see them after the approach scene.

Rey is Han Solo and Luke put together into one character, Poe is wedge, and Finn is the incompetent new guy.

Phasma was Boba Fett. Almost no plot relevance, seemed to forget her indoctrination when the **** hit the fan, but god **** she looked cool. Apparently an interview confirmed she will be back for 8, so I guess she made her way out of the trash compactor. Maybe she will be cool in First Order Strikes Back.

Kylo Ren was a punk. He tries to be Vader, but instead of punishing officers he punished terminals. When even the random general is talking back to you, you have failed as a sith.

Don't really like the new star destroyers.

Hopefully after the third Death Star the Empire will have learned its lesson. Just spend all the money on building more ugly star destroyers, and roll over the enemy fleet.

The monster scene seemed unnecessary, but apparently Abrams puts them in everything. Does he have a Vore fetish or something?

I also think the movie would have been better if it ended with R2D2 waking up and revealing the map. I guess they wanted to show the actual meeting, but...

No Poe is princess Leia, finn is Han and rey is Luke, Han solo plays the role of Ben Kenobi and bb8 is r2.

That's the problem there are next to no new characters they just swapped a few races and genders and gave us what we were familiar with already.

Hopefully in the next film they'll be more than mere copies.

Just go see it on the big screen. (Not worth seeing it in 3D, but that goes for all "3D" movies, and always has.)

FTFY

Jurassic park re-released in 3D was surprisingly good.

Don't flinch when the raptor jumps.

Don't flinch.

Don't flinch.

Hey I'm getting a nice sense of depth here, like I'm actualy in the airduct.

GAAAAH!

f*kkin' raptor!

Rey is Han Solo and Luke put together into one character,

No wonder I like her.

No Poe is princess Leia,

Thanks Hobo, now I'm picturing Oscar Isaac in that gold bikini.

Now I don't Judge, and the dude could probably pull it off, but it's still a disturbing image.

just saw TFA for the first time (bound to watch it several more times while it's in the cinema).

I expected to be better than the 3 prequels and in that aspect I was not disappointed.
It didn't amaze me like the original trilogy did when I watched those for the first time as a kid 25 years ago, but that's probably because I'm used to movies like this and older.
However in some aspects I like it more than episode IV. Seems a bit more real (brutality of war) and emotional.

Anyway. Storywise there were alot of parallels between TFA and ANH. So many that my best guess is that JJ Abrams wanted to make a sort of soft reboot, while keeping the original story intact (contrary to his Star Trek reboots) or that he wanted to show the audience that it's really Star Wars.

I think a more original story would have been better, but I didn't mind the reboot thing.

There were some obvious plotholes, especially concerning Starkiller Base, but if I'd have a fit everytime an OT movie had a plothole, I would have been in a mental institution.

SPOILER_ALERT

The new characters were good:

Poe:

little character development. Basically he is the elite pilot (like Wedge) and does that job well, but he didn't really feel part of the main cast.

BB-8:

Initially I feared that BB8 would be a rip off (or rebooted version) of R2-D2, which it is in a way, but unique enough to not feel like a rip-off but an unique personality.

Finn:

Only one of 2 characters that show real development (but in episode IV-VI it was no different with Luke & Han being the most developed characters). The idea of a Rogue stormtrooper makes sense, I'm surprised he is the first (except for EU game-content) Stormtrooper to question his superiors. The acting was ok, but didn't really get emotionally attached to the character. Perhaps it'll grow after a few screenings

Rey:

I loved her character and good acting and hate to have to wait til episode VIII or IX to get to know more about her background. Ofcourse there are a lot of theories and the movie itself seems to be pointing in the direction of Luke being related (1. similar skills like Anakin, 2. she looks a bit like Shmi Skywalker or Padme, 3. the lightsaber seeing her as rightful owner, 4. the 'I know who you are' look Luke seemed to give her at the end), but perhaps they made those hints too obvious on purpose to make some huge twist.
1- either she is a daughter of Luke, but I don't think he knew she existed until he saw her (unless Luke really was being a terrible father by dumping her on a desert planet, which would really make me hate the guy)
2- she might be related to Obi-Wan (another fan-theory). Her characters calmness and natural good character seems to be more reminiscent to Obi-Wan than Luke/Anakin, but Obi-Wan having a secret child would have been a 'break of character', afterall he told Anakin that a Jedi should not marry.

3- she is the daughter of either Ezra Bridger or Kanan Jarrius from Star Wars Rebels, but I doubt most of the movie-audience would get that relationship
4- she is not related to anyone we know and her origins remain a mystery (which seems to be weak storytelling to me).

So I think either 1 or 3.

Kylo Ren:
He seems to be more convincing than Anakin Skywalker from the prequels, so the acting is better. The rage-fits he inherited from Anakin, doesn't make him very scary, but rather another frustrated adolescent kid (just better portrayed). The killing of his father seemed to have pushed him over the edge, so I have my doubts whether he can be redeemed. It appeared to me that only his love for his father prevented him from submitting fully to the dark side.

Most older characters didn't get much screentime, so they were mostly there to attract the old fans. I expect they'll get more screentime in the next 2 movies and they needed this movie to introduce the new characters and say farewell to the oldest older character.......




Anyway, it's difficult to compare TFA to the old trilogy and the prequels, as I have seen those movies alot and am less awed by those, because I already know the story and what's coming.
But TFA is a good movie, with good character development, decent acting and good tension buildup. Storyline was a bit of a rehash now and then, but if I'd rate it now, I'd say it's the 3rd best Star Wars movie I've seen.

No Poe is princess Leia, finn is Han and rey is Luke, Han solo plays the role of Ben Kenobi and bb8 is r2.

That's the problem there are next to no new characters they just swapped a few races and genders and gave us what we were familiar with already.

Hopefully in the next film they'll be more than mere copies.

Only in the very, very broadest of senses. And, oh no, use of character archtypes in a Star Wars movie. That has NEVER happened before.

I liked it a lot. Had some issues, but nothing that gets me.

What I didn't like:

• Both CG characters. With so many fantastic props and better effects they just looked out of place. Didn't help that both of them were actually important to the plot.
• Death Star III, obvious, has been talked about to death, not worth spending much time on.
• A touch too many references. The holotable and garbage compactor talk did it for me, although at least the first one did something to establish Finn further with how confused he is with the idea of entertainment.

That was pretty much it. While there is a major plot point among these that one was not movie ruining, so it is alright. What I really liked:

• Kylo Ren. He has scenes where is is really intimidating and almost reaches Vader levels of awesome, but I think it is clear that no one could reach that high, so I found it smart when that actually became one of the characters main conflicts. He knows he is no Vader, as much as we do and it hurts him. Simultaniously he can't do anything about it, since he is so flawed. It does take away from his ruthless evil, but it creates an actual character, which is good.
• Poe also was great. He wasn't very deep or with much development and the way he got of Jakku is a bit too convenient, but that is fine as he was not quite a main character. His attitude is great. This is what I would have imagined Wedge to be had he been a fully developed character in the OT.
• Finn and Rey also both are fantastic in their own ways and have great chemistry.
• Leia did steal the show in every scene she was in. She didn't do much, but she was incredibly authentic.
• Han also did a great job. It is good that his wishes concerning his characters future involvement were noted, because it seems as if that motivated Harrison Ford to give the character an appropriate farewell.
• The dogfights were great.
• The way the FO was portrayed. This is the Empire with its power greatly reduced and its administration in ashes. Rescources are handeled more carefully (Finn is not executed but send to reconditioning, TIE/sfs have life support, Kylo takes out his anger on equipment rather than people as Vader would have) and cold, efficient bureaucracy is replaced by burning fanatism, seen in the scenes where Finn is confronted with the melee trooper and Kylo.

The movie felt as if it could have used at least 30 more minutes, but overall I enjoyed my time. This movie made me look forward to whats to come. When episode 8 explores Kylos "I am not Vader, but I want to" conflict and maybe the role of the Resistance and the Republic a bit (Finn is great for this, since he only knows the FO. He can have a lot of questions we have right now answered in a convenient way that is going to feel natural) it is going to be a worthy successor to the OT.

No Poe is princess Leia, finn is Han and rey is Luke, Han solo plays the role of Ben Kenobi and bb8 is r2.

That's the problem there are next to no new characters they just swapped a few races and genders and gave us what we were familiar with already.

Hopefully in the next film they'll be more than mere copies.

Only in the very, very broadest of senses. And, oh no, use of character archtypes in a Star Wars movie. That has NEVER happened before.

All stories characters are based on certain character archetypes. You'll see Luke, Han, Leia, Ben's, R2's in every movie and story.

There are differences in details, but in general all characters are based on a handful standard archetypes.

Imo, Rey isn't like Luke. Luke was a whiny kid in A New Hope, Rey seems to be much more balanced with her emotions. I'd rather say that she is the new Obi Wan Kenobi - archetype we know from the prequels.

Finn doesn't resemble Han's archetype at all.

BB-2 resembles R2, just like Chopper does in Rebels, but I guess that's the nature of droids to be a comic relief to the audience.

• Leia did steal the show in every scene she was in. She didn't do much, but she was incredibly authentic.

Interesting, I thought she was the weakest.

• Leia did steal the show in every scene she was in. She didn't do much, but she was incredibly authentic.

Interesting, I thought she was the weakest.

She didn't get a levelup during the 30 years it seems.

No Poe is princess Leia, finn is Han and rey is Luke, Han solo plays the role of Ben Kenobi and bb8 is r2.

That's the problem there are nexl to no new characters they just swapped a few races and genders and gave us what we were familiar with already.

Hopefully in the next film they'll be more than mere copies.

Only in the very, very broadest of senses. And, oh no, use of character archtypes in a Star Wars movie. That has NEVER happened before.

No Hobo is right. Read my original post, as I spell it out pretty clear. This was more than a using of Archetypes. If TFA had only been using the archetypes, we still could have had an original story. Take the archetype of The Hero. The Hero is the character that fights the good fight, is usually the main character, and trys to get good to triumph over evil. Heros inclStarLuke Skywalker, Frodo, Rand Al Thor, Batman, etc. All of these characters are from vastly different stories(on a circumstance and detail level) and their stories plots are not instantly recognizable as a rehashing of another story. In TFA, the Hero is Rey. In Reys story though it feels very much of just a rehashing of Luke's story. If Rey's story had just been a rehashing of Batman's story, I don't think most people would have cared or even noticed, but by making her story a rehashing of another character's story in the same series, it is a problem. While I do enjoy TFA, it is a blatant and purposeful remake of ANH. JJ and Disney did that with intent, to capture a feeling of nostalgia and to get the Star Wars fan base back on board after the general consensus of failure the prequels were.(myself excluded) I see why they did it from a business stand point. It is the same reason they scrapped the EU. Disney bought Star Wars as a cash cow. They want all of our $. That means we have buy all new books, comics, games, etc. They needed us to love TFA. It was essential to their business plan. They couldn't risk their 4 billion dollar investment on something new and untried. So TFA was a remake of the well loved part of Star Wars.